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KIRKLAND LAKE LEFT BY SIDE OF THE ROAD? ONTC Changes Could Isolate Northern Communities

2008-07-17

Charlie Angus is concerned by reports of dramatic changes to bus service in Northern Ontario. The Ontario Northland Transportation Commission is considering cuts to a number of bus routes, including one bus per day from Hearst to Timmins, one bus between North Bay to Toronto and one bus route from Sudbury to Toronto. Even more, reports suggest the ONTC is considering by-passing Kirkland Lake altogether. This means local residents would have to pay for taxi service out to Kenogami at an additional cost.

Angus says northerners are being left high and dry. “Kirkland Lake is a central hub for Northern Ontario. We simply can’t have a community of this size by-passed in order to cut costs. I am very worried that ONTC would consider moving ahead with such dramatic changes without input from the public.”

Angus says the potential cuts to ONTC service would leave Northern Ontario further undermined in terms of residents’ ability to travel.

“At a time of increasing fuel prices, we need to be increasing public transportation in the north not cutting it. The federal government certainly has a role to play in supporting the public transportation infrastructure in Northern Ontario. Canada is the only OECD country without a long term, predictable federal transit-investment strategy. We must do better.”

Ontario NDP Transportation Critic Gilles Bisson, (Timmins-James Bay MPP), says the gap between the north and south continues to grow. “The Government subsidies GO Transit very heavily…which is a good thing. It moves people and helps the environment. But what’s the difference. In the north, every time our transit service needs more funding, their answer is to reduce service.”

Bisson is calling on the Liberals to increase the subsidy to the ONTC. “It’s obvious our subsidy is not enough. The Northlander and Polar Bear Express are our Go Transit so why doesn’t Dalton McGuinty take our needs as serious as he does those in the south?”

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I can see the Sudbury to Toronto cuts

Doesnt greyhound serve Sudbury on their transcontinental route? How much subsidy does ONR receive? I would think that there would be more people talking the bus, rather than driving, thus lowering costs, plus they recently raised fares to cover increasing costs. But their train service needs upgrading also, with aging equiptment.

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Doesnt greyhound serve Sudbury on their transcontinental route? How much subsidy does ONR receive? I would think that there would be more people talking the bus, rather than driving, thus lowering costs, plus they recently raised fares to cover increasing costs. But their train service needs upgrading also, with aging equiptment.

also Trentwaywagar used to as well, I dont know if Coach Canada still does

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NORTH LEFT IN DARK OVER BUS CUTS: Routes Get Axed With No Input From Region

2008-08-28

Documents obtained by Charlie Angus reveal plans for major cuts to Ontario bus transportation in the north. Last month, Angus challenged the Ontario Northland Train Commission (ONTC) to come clean with proposed route cuts for the north, saying northern municipalities and businesses need to be consulted prior to any drastic changes. At the time, the ONTC refused to confirm or deny that major cuts were in the offing, but documents now show that the cuts are slated to go ahead this fall and communities like Kirkland Lake and Hearst will take a major hit.

Kirkland Lake residents will lose access to one northbound and one southbound line. These buses will bypass the regional centre in favour of a quick Highway 11 stop in Kenogami.

Angus says the ONTC is letting the people of the region down. “Bus service is a crucial link for our northern communities. We asked the ONTC to work with our municipalities and to allow input from area residents and businesses that will be affected. Instead, the ONTC has gone ahead with unilateral cuts that will seriously impact our region."

The community that will be hit hardest is Hearst. They are losing the three-day a week afternoon service between Timmins and Hearst, and the present connecting Greyhound route to Thunder Bay and points west will be terminated.

Ontario NDP Transportation Critic Gilles Bisson says the impacts will be major. “The ONTC is effectively cutting off Northeastern Ontario from the Northwest and the impacts will be even greater for families in Hearst who rely on the day bus to Timmins for medical services. Families and businesses in the north rely on the bus because we have few other options for remaining connected across this vast region."

Other cuts include routes between North Bay, Toronto and Sudbury. Bisson says the transit gap between north and south continues to grow. “The ONR is a vital link for northern communities. No regional transit authority in southern Ontario would have to undergo such serious cuts. The Province needs to begin treating northern transportation needs with the same commitment they make to regional services in the south like Go Transit."

The NDP is calling on the Province and the Federal government to work with the ONTC on a long-term sustainable plan for transportation in the north.

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also Trentwaywagar used to as well, I dont know if Coach Canada still does

Sorry, Trentway-Wagar never operated up to Sudbury. The orginial operator of the Toronto-Sudbury run was Gray Coach (subsiduary of the TTC). In 1978, Greyhound Canada put in an application to run Toronto-Sudbury and was granted. Gray Coach was sold to Stagecoach which turned the Toronto-Sudbury and Toronto-NorthBay routes to Ontario Northland. when Gray Coach (Stagecoach went bankrupt, Greyhound Canada purchased the holdings).

BTW, Trentway-Wagar is alive and well. "Coach Canada" is an operating name. All coaches and operating permits for scheduled line-run are held under Trentway-Wagar inc.

Uwe

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Sorry, Trentway-Wagar never operated up to Sudbury. The orginial operator of the Toronto-Sudbury run was Gray Coach (subsiduary of the TTC). In 1978, Greyhound Canada put in an application to run Toronto-Sudbury and was granted. Gray Coach was sold to Stagecoach which turned the Toronto-Sudbury and Toronto-NorthBay routes to Ontario Northland. when Gray Coach (Stagecoach went bankrupt, Greyhound Canada purchased the holdings).

BTW, Trentway-Wagar is alive and well. "Coach Canada" is an operating name. All coaches and operating permits for scheduled line-run are held under Trentway-Wagar inc.

Uwe

I was talking the current Trentway-Wagar (Coach Canada)

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I was talking the current Trentway-Wagar (Coach Canada)

Well, they've never operated scheduled service to Sudbury either.

Uwe

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Well, they've never operated scheduled service to Sudbury either.

Uwe

Coach Canada does offer service from Toronto to Sudbury

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Coach Canada does offer service from Toronto to Sudbury

Perhaps charter service only, but not scheduled service. Do you have any timetables, terminal pickup drop-off location?

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Coach Canada does offer service from Toronto to Sudbury

Sorry, but there are only two licenses out there for Toronto-Sudbury. Greyhound Canada has one and the other is at Ontario Northland.

Today's Trentway-Wagar routes operated as Coach Canada are:

- Toronto-Kingston-Montreal

- Pearson-Belleville-Kingston

- Toronto-St. Catharines-Niagara-Buffalo to New York (they interline with Shortline and operate the Canadian leg of the Megabus Route)

- Hamilton-St. Catharines-Niagara-Buffalo

- Hamilton-Cambridge-Kitchener-Waterloo

- Hamilton-Guelph

They also have licenses to operate the TriColour Express at Queen's University from Kingston to: Ottawa, Montreal, Toronto. Service is extended to Mississauga, Oakville, Burlington, Hamilton, Kitchener and London before and after holidays.

They also operate some Casino shuttles to Casino Niagara and Fallsview Casino from Toronto and Buffalo. The shuttle to Casino Rama from Lindsay and Peterborough is operated by Century Airline Service (which also operates to Pearson Airport from Lindsay/Peterborough area)

Their school bus operation out of Peterborough also operates some regional service East and North of Peterborough.

TWW once operated, but now discontinued, these services:

- Toronto-Uxbridge

- Toronto-Cambridge-Kitchener-Waterloo (via QEW/8)

- Toronto-Peterborough (via 401/28)

- Peterborough-Belleville-Kingston

Uwe

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Sorry, but there are only two licenses out there for Toronto-Sudbury. Greyhound Canada has one and the other is at Ontario Northland.

Today's Trentway-Wagar routes operated as Coach Canada are:

- Toronto-Kingston-Montreal

- Pearson-Belleville-Kingston

- Toronto-St. Catharines-Niagara-Buffalo to New York (they interline with Shortline and operate the Canadian leg of the Megabus Route)

- Hamilton-St. Catharines-Niagara-Buffalo

- Hamilton-Cambridge-Kitchener-Waterloo

- Hamilton-Guelph

They also have licenses to operate the TriColour Express at Queen's University from Kingston to: Ottawa, Montreal, Toronto. Service is extended to Mississauga, Oakville, Burlington, Hamilton, Kitchener and London before and after holidays.

They also operate some Casino shuttles to Casino Niagara and Fallsview Casino from Toronto and Buffalo. The shuttle to Casino Rama from Lindsay and Peterborough is operated by Century Airline Service (which also operates to Pearson Airport from Lindsay/Peterborough area)

Their school bus operation out of Peterborough also operates some regional service East and North of Peterborough.

TWW once operated, but now discontinued, these services:

- Toronto-Uxbridge

- Toronto-Cambridge-Kitchener-Waterloo (via QEW/8)

- Toronto-Peterborough (via 401/28)

- Peterborough-Belleville-Kingston

Uwe

When didnt they service Sudbury when Stagecoach bought Greyline in the early 1990's before they bought out Tentway?

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When didnt they service Sudbury when Stagecoach bought Greyline in the early 1990's before they bought out Tentway?

Stagecoach purchase GrayCoach (that operated the GrayLine Franchise in Toronto). GrayCoach was the original operator of the Toronto-Sudbury route. In 1990, the TTC sold GrayCoach to Stagecoach in 1990 and Trentway-Wagar was sold to its management (Trentway was ONLY doing Charters at this point, which may have included overloads for Voyageur, Greyhound, GrayCoach) . In 1993, GrayCoach (Stagecoach) went bankrupt, but before that, the routes from Toronto to Sudbury and NorthBay were sold to Ontario Northland. The bankrupt GrayCoach (Stagecoach) was picked up by Greyhound Canada.

Trentway-Wagar sold to Coach USA in 1998. Coach USA was bought by Stagecoach around 1999-2000, this is when Stagecoach came back to the North American Market.

So in short, TWW never ran scheduled service between Sudbury and Toronto.

Uwe

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Stagecoach purchase GrayCoach (that operated the GrayLine Franchise in Toronto). GrayCoach was the original operator of the Toronto-Sudbury route. In 1990, the TTC sold GrayCoach to Stagecoach in 1990 and Trentway-Wagar was sold to its management (Trentway was ONLY doing Charters at this point, which may have included overloads for Voyageur, Greyhound, GrayCoach) . In 1993, GrayCoach (Stagecoach) went bankrupt, but before that, the routes from Toronto to Sudbury and NorthBay were sold to Ontario Northland. The bankrupt GrayCoach (Stagecoach) was picked up by Greyhound Canada.

Trentway-Wagar sold to Coach USA in 1998. Coach USA was bought by Stagecoach around 1999-2000, this is when Stagecoach came back to the North American Market.

So in short, TWW never ran scheduled service between Sudbury and Toronto.

Uwe

Also when Graycoach when bankrupt is that when Pacific Western bought the Airport Express rights to Pearson ??

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Also when Graycoach when bankrupt is that when Pacific Western bought the Airport Express rights to Pearson ??

PWT started operating the Airport Express in 1993. They won the tender from the Greater Toronto Airport Authority to run the service.

Uwe

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PWT started operating the Airport Express in 1993. They won the tender from the Greater Toronto Airport Authority to run the service.

Uwe

in 1993 wasnt that before the GTTA when the federal governement still ran Pearson ??

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The Ontario Northland Transportation Commission goes ahead with its motorcoach changes and cutbacks as of October 1st 2008.

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Ontario Northland Announces Motor Coach Schedule Changes

for Kirkland Lake

Ontario Northland is committed to serving its motor coach passengers, who travel throughout northeastern and central Ontario.

Changes to Ontario Northland’s motor coach service schedule for Kirkland Lake are being implemented on December 19, 2008. Service will be restored to four trips per day arriving and departing from the Kirkland Lake Station (two northbound and two southbound).

Service to the Kirkland Lake Station will include northbound 8:50 a.m. and 8:05 p.m. and southbound 11:00 a.m. and 10:20 p.m. Service will no longer be provided to Kenogami.

Passengers are encouraged to contact the Ontario Northland Kirkland Lake station at 705-567-9388 to confirm travel times.

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Ontario Northland

Ontario Northland, an operational enterprise of the Province of Ontario, was established in 1902 and is a recognized leader in creating prosperity in the North by providing innovative transportation and telecommunication solutions. Operating primarily in northeastern Ontario, Ontario Northland's enterprises include: the Northlander, Polar Bear Express and Dream Catcher Express passenger trains; rail freight services; motor coach scheduled and charter services; refurbishment services; and Ontera telecommunication services.

Ontario Northland Motor Coach Services

Ontario Northland's Motor Coach Services Department operates a fleet of 25 highway motor coaches that provide scheduled service between Hearst and Toronto, along the Highway 11 corridor which passes through Cochrane and North Bay, and along the Highway 69 corridor, which passes through Timmins and Sudbury. The Company's scheduled motor coach service is an affordable and reliable way to travel to and from northeastern Ontario.

Ontario Northland also offers charter and tour services for groups traveling throughout Canada, along with Bus Parcel Express (BPX) services. BPX is a shipping service which offers station-to-station delivery of envelopes and parcels, often on the same day. The transportation of these parcels is handled through scheduled motor coach service routes, with connections across the continent offered through partnerships with other carriers.

Media Inquiries

Tricia Marshall, Ontario Northland, 1.705.472.4500 or 1.800.363.7512 ext. 529, cell 705.845.8005

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Ontario Northland Announces Motor Coach Schedule Changes

for Kirkland Lake

Ontario Northland is committed to serving its motor coach passengers, who travel throughout northeastern and central Ontario.

Changes to Ontario Northland’s motor coach service schedule for Kirkland Lake are being implemented on December 19, 2008. Service will be restored to four trips per day arriving and departing from the Kirkland Lake Station (two northbound and two southbound).

Service to the Kirkland Lake Station will include northbound 8:50 a.m. and 8:05 p.m. and southbound 11:00 a.m. and 10:20 p.m. Service will no longer be provided to Kenogami.

Passengers are encouraged to contact the Ontario Northland Kirkland Lake station at 705-567-9388 to confirm travel times.

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Ontario Northland

Ontario Northland, an operational enterprise of the Province of Ontario, was established in 1902 and is a recognized leader in creating prosperity in the North by providing innovative transportation and telecommunication solutions. Operating primarily in northeastern Ontario, Ontario Northland's enterprises include: the Northlander, Polar Bear Express and Dream Catcher Express passenger trains; rail freight services; motor coach scheduled and charter services; refurbishment services; and Ontera telecommunication services.

Ontario Northland Motor Coach Services

Ontario Northland's Motor Coach Services Department operates a fleet of 25 highway motor coaches that provide scheduled service between Hearst and Toronto, along the Highway 11 corridor which passes through Cochrane and North Bay, and along the Highway 69 corridor, which passes through Timmins and Sudbury. The Company's scheduled motor coach service is an affordable and reliable way to travel to and from northeastern Ontario.

Ontario Northland also offers charter and tour services for groups traveling throughout Canada, along with Bus Parcel Express (BPX) services. BPX is a shipping service which offers station-to-station delivery of envelopes and parcels, often on the same day. The transportation of these parcels is handled through scheduled motor coach service routes, with connections across the continent offered through partnerships with other carriers.

Media Inquiries

Tricia Marshall, Ontario Northland, 1.705.472.4500 or 1.800.363.7512 ext. 529, cell 705.845.8005

Why the restoration of services? Someone pony'd up some money? Are they not mandated by the government of Ontario to provide transportation for Northern Ontario? Is it not subsidized?

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On January 2, 2010 I saw a new motorcoach numbered 5091 but i didnt have my camera. i notice it had a cage around the driver

hope to see it again so i can take some photos

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Spotted 5092 yesterday on the 400 in Toronto. Looks like these buses have the Aesys destination signs. Also spotted another Ontario Northlad unit with decals promoting their parcel service.

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Spotted 5092 yesterday on the 400 in Toronto. Looks like these buses have the Aesys destination signs. Also spotted another Ontario Northlad unit with decals promoting their parcel service.

ya they are nice buses

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Spotted 5092 yesterday on the 400 in Toronto. Looks like these buses have the Aesys destination signs. Also spotted another Ontario Northlad unit with decals promoting their parcel service.

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