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I dare you to use that as an academic source for any sort of research or historical documentation. Seriously. I don't mean to be grumpy but can we please move past the hearsay and start posting usef

I don't know anything about 918 in particular but I have heard that Transit is considering retiring some of the D30LF's and cannibalizing them to keep the remaining units on the road.   911-925 (15

It's in the news that Executive Policy Committee of City Council has amended the 2018 City budget to eliminate the proposed transit service cuts.  The fare increase is still in the budget but the redu

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Got this idea from a Vancouver thread...

Empty buses! Thought I should start off a list with mine:

Route 11 (last trips from St. James to Downtown, 1:50 and 2:04am, or the last Sunday trips until 1:08am, from 20268/Portage and Moray)

Route 14, any point after about either Arlington or Valour after 11pm

Route 20, last trip from the Airport to Downtown, 1am from the Toys R Us

Route 24, trips coming back from Unicity especially, during the evenings

Route 26, 9:20 and 9:37am trips from 20112/Ferry and Silver EB

Route 39, everytime I see it, theres nobody on it...

Route 44, last trip from Kildonan Place to East Kildonan at 2:15am (I'd imagine that this would be severely emtpy after reading this schedule at the bus stop hahaha)

Route 60, near end of service

Route 66, Dieppe section

Route 82, weekends

Route 83, any time outside of rush hours, between the Grace Hospital, and Strauss

Route 93, 6pm, saw it extremely empty

Route 98

Route 99, leaving the village going to Misericordia

Careful what you wish for ...
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I hear the artic's are likely to appear towards the end of the year. Maybe November.

I rode the 160 from the U of Manitoba at 16:42 yesterday (03 September). The vehicle was #923. Yep. A D30LF on the rt 160, at rush hour! I would be prepared to guess that dispatch ran out of working 40 ft. buses.

Later, at 17:34, I boarded a 16 SELKIRK with a non-functioning farebox. It was completely dead. The driver said the cable between the box and the driver's control panel fell off, and although he was able to reconnect the cable, the farebox stayed dead.

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Has the RFP request yet been issued yet for upcoming multi-year bus purchase contract? I had the impression that the New Flyer agreement was to expire this year. I had a quick look for it in the City tender call pages but could not locate it. (Obviously I would expect that only what is already public domain info would be shared on this board).

Personally, I'd like to see the Winnipeg Transit buy a tranche of 7-10 year old used DE40LF®s for a few years.

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I hear the artic's are likely to appear towards the end of the year. Maybe November.

I rode the 160 from the U of Manitoba at 16:42 yesterday (03 September). The vehicle was #923. Yep. A D30LF on the rt 160, at rush hour! I would be prepared to guess that dispatch ran out of working 40 ft. buses.

Later, at 17:34, I boarded a 16 SELKIRK with a non-functioning farebox. It was completely dead. The driver said the cable between the box and the driver's control panel fell off, and although he was able to reconnect the cable, the farebox stayed dead.

Yikes. It seems like the fareboxes are taking a lot of buses out of service. I'm will to bet that's what the D30LF is about.

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Got this idea from a Vancouver thread...

Empty buses! Thought I should start off a list with mine:

Why not do this with a Google form?

It would be easy to track these empty buses from a phone and we could mine the data after for useful stats.

If you would like me to set it up for you just PM me.

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Got this idea from a Vancouver thread...

Empty buses! Thought I should start off a list with mine:

Route 11 (last trips from St. James to Downtown, 1:50 and 2:04am, or the last Sunday trips until 1:08am, from 20268/Portage and Moray)

Route 14, any point after about either Arlington or Valour after 11pm

Route 20, last trip from the Airport to Downtown, 1am from the Toys R Us

Route 24, trips coming back from Unicity especially, during the evenings

Route 26, 9:20 and 9:37am trips from 20112/Ferry and Silver EB

Route 39, everytime I see it, theres nobody on it...

Route 44, last trip from Kildonan Place to East Kildonan at 2:15am (I'd imagine that this would be severely emtpy after reading this schedule at the bus stop hahaha)

Route 60, near end of service

Route 66, Dieppe section

Route 82, weekends

Route 83, any time outside of rush hours, between the Grace Hospital, and Strauss

Route 93, 6pm, saw it extremely empty

Route 98

Route 99, leaving the village going to Misericordia

I posted in the Vancouver section of this.

When I was in the Winnipeg area in 2009, I rode transit a lot on the weekends after I drove in from Steinbach. I parked at the Southdale Park and Ride, and just took the bus where I was going (or transit fanning...). I was leaving to come back to Vancouver on Dec. 26th, and my Dad was flying in from Vancouver to help me drive home on Christmas Day. So I did my usual thing when going to pick him up -- drove to Southdale Park and Ride and took the bus to the Airport (16 then 15 -- no 20 at the time). The 16 was empty the entire way downtown -- I was the only one on it. It didn't help that it was 9:00 AM on Christmas Day, but it was still empty. Every time I had taken the 16 prior to that it was always full (not at the start, but always past Kingston Row). Then I got on a 15, and there were 1 or 2 others on it. They got off before we got onto Sargent, and we flew along Sargent like it was nothing (in the snow!) and I was the only passenger. That driver was wondering why a person in their low 20s was riding transit to the Airport at that time of morning on Christmas. When I told him, he said he wished he could drive me all the way to Vancouver...

On a slightly different note, I remember once on the Vancouver forum someone mentioning that when some of our new New Flyer buses were being driven out to Vancouver, the delivery drivers were purposely putting our "11 Express" sign (defunct route, but sign still exists) up when travelling along Portage. Probably got many confused onlookers not only wondering why it says 11 Express and not 21 Express, and then why the bus didn't stop in the first place...

I'm doing up a set of Google Maps with a redo of the transit system in Winnipeg. When I'm complete, I will post links. It's mostly from my ridership observations when I was there (so may be a tad old) and from what people are saying on here. Plus, I'm using many of the techniques I totally like about Winnipeg Transit (i.e. 2-way loops instead of completely 1-way loops) again and improving them. I've done this with some other transit systems that I've ridden with mixed results, but hopefully I'll have positive feedback and polite criticism from the Winnipeg group unlike the Hamilton Street Railway group...

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Spotted a D30LF (1996, didnt get a fleet number) on Route 22 again... seriously? :blink:

I posted in the Vancouver section of this.

When I was in the Winnipeg area in 2009, I rode transit a lot on the weekends after I drove in from Steinbach. I parked at the Southdale Park and Ride, and just took the bus where I was going (or transit fanning...). I was leaving to come back to Vancouver on Dec. 26th, and my Dad was flying in from Vancouver to help me drive home on Christmas Day. So I did my usual thing when going to pick him up -- drove to Southdale Park and Ride and took the bus to the Airport (16 then 15 -- no 20 at the time). The 16 was empty the entire way downtown -- I was the only one on it. It didn't help that it was 9:00 AM on Christmas Day, but it was still empty. Every time I had taken the 16 prior to that it was always full (not at the start, but always past Kingston Row). Then I got on a 15, and there were 1 or 2 others on it. They got off before we got onto Sargent, and we flew along Sargent like it was nothing (in the snow!) and I was the only passenger. That driver was wondering why a person in their low 20s was riding transit to the Airport at that time of morning on Christmas. When I told him, he said he wished he could drive me all the way to Vancouver...

On a slightly different note, I remember once on the Vancouver forum someone mentioning that when some of our new New Flyer buses were being driven out to Vancouver, the delivery drivers were purposely putting our "11 Express" sign (defunct route, but sign still exists) up when travelling along Portage. Probably got many confused onlookers not only wondering why it says 11 Express and not 21 Express, and then why the bus didn't stop in the first place...

I'm doing up a set of Google Maps with a redo of the transit system in Winnipeg. When I'm complete, I will post links. It's mostly from my ridership observations when I was there (so may be a tad old) and from what people are saying on here. Plus, I'm using many of the techniques I totally like about Winnipeg Transit (i.e. 2-way loops instead of completely 1-way loops) again and improving them. I've done this with some other transit systems that I've ridden with mixed results, but hopefully I'll have positive feedback and polite criticism from the Winnipeg group unlike the Hamilton Street Railway group...

I took the 11 on Christmas Day 2011, around 7-8pm (to sell my friend my Jagermeister since she was dry for Christmas and that I havent even touched it in months). 3-4 people heading west from 20208/Portage and Ferry. Heading back, I was the only one onboard. So definitely no surprises there.

I've had issues with Google Maps whenever I attempted long routes, or more than 10 routes on it. After 10, it'd go to a new page and NONE of them would ever all show up at the same time on the software, much to my annoyance (thus why I always stuck to small cities, like Okotoks, Brandon, etc). After that, I've usually just given up, along with lack of interest from anybody except probably BCT and a few people from Winnipeg. I used to post a ton of this section of the board, along with small towns across the board along with seeking opinion. And finally seeing someone else stepping up and doing this, I'd be more than glad to help you out with feedback and constructive efforts. Just leave the 9:20 and 9:37am trips from 20112/my bus stop to work on Route 26 alone, and it'll be all good! :P

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Spotted a D30LF (1996, didnt get a fleet number) on Route 22 again... seriously? :blink:

I took the 11 on Christmas Day 2011, around 7-8pm (to sell my friend my Jagermeister since she was dry for Christmas and that I havent even touched it in months). 3-4 people heading west from 20208/Portage and Ferry. Heading back, I was the only one onboard. So definitely no surprises there.

I've had issues with Google Maps whenever I attempted long routes, or more than 10 routes on it. After 10, it'd go to a new page and NONE of them would ever all show up at the same time on the software, much to my annoyance (thus why I always stuck to small cities, like Okotoks, Brandon, etc). After that, I've usually just given up, along with lack of interest from anybody except probably BCT and a few people from Winnipeg. I used to post a ton of this section of the board, along with small towns across the board along with seeking opinion. And finally seeing someone else stepping up and doing this, I'd be more than glad to help you out with feedback and constructive efforts. Just leave the 9:20 and 9:37am trips from 20112/my bus stop to work on Route 26 alone, and it'll be all good! :P

So far, I've only completed route maps for all the routes except the Transitway routes. I have completed the 137, 160, and 161, but I'm still working on the 162. I draw each route as one map because of the limitations to having them appear on one page. I use different colours to represent the stopping directions (blue=local service at all times of day, green=local service at limited times, red=limited stops, purple=non-stop, black=Transitway). I just use a manual line in places that you cannot draw a line snapping to roads (i.e. the Transitway, Graham Mall, Vaughan when travelling south, etc.). Once I'm done the maps, I will post them and start on the schedules. I made many changes, but they are subtle when it comes to the system as a whole. I tried to eliminate all the "spur" routes (the ones without actual route names) and merge them with other routes, or combine them together to make them more efficient. For example, I combined some of the McPhillips express routes (30 and 34 in particular) since one is for the industrial park and the other is for The Maples, and they both travel in opposite directions. So I combined them into one route that travels in both directions, but in peak hours only. I also changed the 64 and 65 -- the 64 is non-stop when it exits the Transitway until Grant @ Cambridge, and the 65 is the local route past Cathcart that runs all day Monday to Saturday to/from Unicity. It is limited stops from Cathcart to the Transitway. Then the 66 will run on two patterns -- the current Kenaston routing to Polo Park is left alone, and the Dieppe Loop is the terminus for the other trips outside of peak hours. During the peak hours, I put a route extension into the Charleswood area (much like the current), but the 66 will not run to Unicity at all -- just the 65.

I also tried to use branch letters (i.e. 66A) when a route runs on multiple patterns at the same time. The only exception to this is the two-way loops and when the different patterns are not run simultaneously (i.e. the 66 to Charleswood is the same branch as the 66 to Dieppe since they don't compete with each other. The 11 Donwood and Rothesay are the same branch (no letter), but Glenway has a branch letter "D".) These branches are being referred to as the terminus only -- so any of the patterns leaving Henderson and Glenway will depend on the actual terminus and not the start.

About your 26, where is your final destination?? I did change the 26, but only slightly, so I may have affected you if you are in the removed portion... I've been thinking about changing it back anyway, so maybe I will...

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Usually 20205 (Portage/Berry) towards work, or towards/from Polo Park. Cause that section does have quite a bit of ridership!

As for route changes, I can't think of too many for St. James, except getting the 98 to go to Sturgeon (High School) and Murray Park, via Moray (thus reducing the congestion), and keeping the 83 out of Murray Park and letting it only terminate at Strauss. I've also thought of an 82 extension to Assiniboia Downs/MTS Iceplex (City of Winnipeg land), or to Flying J's into the Oak Ridge development (low-income employment = transit users), if not towards Headingley itself. Also, the extra Route 77 trips from Polo to RRC are useless - I barely saw anybody on them in the mornings. Lets use those extra buses for other routes, shall we? Route 49 could use a few extra buses...

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Oh, I really wish Winnipeg Transit would actually do this. Especially considering how so many routes have branches that go in totally different directions.

I could agree if they run routes like the 47 and 55, but for the 11, 21, 22, 162/170... is it really necessary if its just from one point to another if it doesnt loop around in the end? That and we'd need to install 3 sets of schedules for bus stops, x3 routes, and we'd be swamped both as transit workers, and riders trying to understand that they need to take a 22A to Woodhaven, then a 21C to Polo Park, and then take the 11B Downtown to hop onboard the 183A... it'd just be confusing.

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201 broke down on the 78, and was sitting at Polo Park most of yesterday afternoon - the 78 utilized the 24/95 stop area instead during this time, along with surprisingly the 77/20 stopping at the 26 stop area as well...

Saw 201 on the 25 though this afternoon - must've been repaired pretty fast!

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I could agree if they run routes like the 47 and 55, but for the 11, 21, 22, 162/170... is it really necessary if its just from one point to another if it doesnt loop around in the end? That and we'd need to install 3 sets of schedules for bus stops, x3 routes, and we'd be swamped both as transit workers, and riders trying to understand that they need to take a 22A to Woodhaven, then a 21C to Polo Park, and then take the 11B Downtown to hop onboard the 183A... it'd just be confusing.

Well, other cities do this. It makes it simpler and clearer to identify your bus -- you don't have to wait for the destination sign to scroll through to know where the bus is going, and you can tell someone "Take the 15F" rather than "Take the version of the 15 bus that goes via Flight Road".

I'm not sure what you mean about 3 sets of schedules -- they already use letters to indicate the destination of the bus in the schedules (e.g. 06:10F, 06:30W, 06:50F for the 15), so there would be no change at all.

But maybe I don't think like a Winnipegger yet. :)

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Oh, I really wish Winnipeg Transit would actually do this. Especially considering how so many routes have branches that go in totally different directions.

Let me clarify that I feel that the best way to do the letters is only on different branches, not on the two-way loops. I also didn't provide branches when the "branch" is a peak-only routing where ALL trips travel that pattern (since there is no need for a visible change). For example, I have "Route 11" as the base route travelling between Polo Park and the Donwood/Rothesay two-way loop, then have the Glenway branch as 11D. The reason I skipped A, B and C is so that there are route letters available for the western routings when the 21 and 22 are not operating -- I wanted to make sure they matched the 21 and 22's letters, so the 11A is for "Rouge... via Grace Hospital" just like the 21 (changed the routing to "Rouge" instead of "Westwood" since that was confusing when I was there -- thought it went along Westwood...). The 22A obviously doesn't go via Grace Hospital, but will also travel along Rouge.

I will post some of the links shortly.

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Here are the routes and their links:

Route 1 - Downtown Spirit

Route 2 - Downtown Spirit

Route 3 - Downtown Spirit

Route 10 - Wolseley / St. Boniface

Route 11 - Portage / Henderson

Route 12 - William

Route 14 - Ellice / St. Mary's

Route 15 - Sargent / Mountain

Route 16 - Selkirk / Osborne

Route 17 - McGregor

Route 18 - Main / Corydon

Route 19 - Marion / Notre Dame

Route 20 - Academy / Watt

Route 21 - Portage West

Route 22 - Portage Super Express

Route 24 - Ness / Ness Express

Route 25 - Ness Super Express

Route 26 - Logan / Berry

Route 28 - Notre Dame Express

Route 29 - Stafford / Sherbrook

Route 30 - McPhillips Express

Route 31 - Keewatin

Route 32 - Main Express

Route 33 - McPhillips

Route 35 - McPhillips Super Express

Route 36 - Stafford Express / Sherbrook Express

Route 38 - Salter

Route 39 - Taylor Super Express

Route 41 - Henderson Express

Route 42 - Nairn Express

Route 43 - Munroe

Route 44 - Louelda

Route 45 - Talbot

Route 47 - Nairn

Route 49 - Dugald

Route 50 - Archibald

Route 53 - St. Boniface

Route 54 - St. Mary's Express

Route 55 - St. Anne's

Route 57 - Archibald Express

Route 58 - Osborne Express

Route 59 - St. Anne's Super Express

Route 60 - Pembina

Route 61 - North Pembina

Route 64 - Grant Super Express

Route 65 - Grant Express

Route 66 - Grant

Route 67 - Roblin / Roblin Express

Route 68 - Grosvenor

Route 71 - Arlington

Route 72 - Chevrier / U of Manitoba

Route 74 - Crosstown South

Route 75 - Crosstown East

Route 77 - Crosstown North

Route 78 - Crosstown West

Route 82 - Sturgeon

Route 85 - Concordia

Route 94 - Wildwood

Route 95 - Taylor

Route 97 - Cathedral / Aberdeen

Route 99 - Wellington Cres

Route 137 - Pembina Super Express

Route 160 - South Pembina

Route 161 - University Super Express

Route 162 - Pembina Express

Route 163 - West Pembina Express

Route 180 - Clarence Express

Please provide criticism and/or compliments about these. I will post schedules later, however. They are much more complicated. I won't make significant changes to the schedules from the current, but there will be numerous efficiencies. I tried to remove all of the numerous "nameless" routes and either merge them together or merge them with other routes. Now all routes have names. Please note that the 4 DART routes are still present, but I can't figure out how to draw them...

Please do not complain that "why did you remove XX route because it's really really busy?" because I only outright removed one route (185). I'm trying to find a better way to make Route 185 work that doesn't duplicate the current service as much, so I will add it later. If you see that a route number is gone, then I have merged it with another route that had a significant common routing with it already.

Enjoy!

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Route 10 - I've noticed that theres no transit service along Wall/Erin at all in this city. Considering how many students go to Tec Voc along with Valu-Lot for low-income riders, maybe it should be routed on Wall/Erin up towards Notre Dame. Would help out alot of people. Would still have its Polo Park connection though on Portage (I'd say... Portage and Dominion?)

Route 14 - Low-income residents along with Wal-Mart, Dollarama, Polo Park... its already bursting at the seams. A seperate Polo Park - Downtown route, terminating at Empress/Eastway, would provide for connections to the suburban routes at the Blue Cross stop, along with servicing the mall, with a sheltered walkway/parkade for people to walk into the mall through its East Wing. Along with added service. Would help to replace the 1990s service cuts and start the long road back up to 1980s transit service.

Route 19 - Get it to service Canad Inns Windsor Park (Stereo/Cowboys nightclubs) and ridership during Fridays and Saturdays would skyrocket, as opposed to an empty bus everytime it loops the neighborhood. Or everytime it goes back Downtown, for that matter!

Route 26 - Cutting out the Silver/Ellice sections will hit hard... I live on it and use it to get to work, along with a ton of other people, the Discovery daycare (if Winnipeg Transit wonders why theres 20-30 boardcounts at a time there, its cause of the daycare :P ), Route 14 connection too. Cutting that would decimate Route 26 revenue. Along with giving the Ferry/Silver area literally no service.

Route 78 - The Lowson portion and Tuxedo Industrial Park shaved off would save IMMENSE amounts of time... (Kenaston)

Route 72 - I like it! Routes 84 and 86 though would need a re-work if this happens, to prevent duplication.

Route 82 should instead focus out towards Pointe West, Assiniboia Downs and eventually back to Headingley. I rode the 83 in full last week - I was impressed (4pm trip, weekday). It completely counters what I see mid-day near Whytewold.

Route 98 should service down Moray to Murray Park/Sturgeon/Strauss. Seeing Moray everyday, daytime service is certainly feasible with all of those cars, and route connections (65/66/67/79).

Route 180 would become quite a way to save revenue and add service possibly. I like it!

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Route 10 - I've noticed that theres no transit service along Wall/Erin at all in this city. Considering how many students go to Tec Voc along with Valu-Lot for low-income riders, maybe it should be routed on Wall/Erin up towards Notre Dame. Would help out alot of people. Would still have its Polo Park connection though on Portage (I'd say... Portage and Dominion?)

I put part of Route 12 along Erin and Wall. Valour is very narrow, and I feel that it could be unsafe if a bus is late and they both end up on Valour at the same time travelling opposite directions...

Route 14 - Low-income residents along with Wal-Mart, Dollarama, Polo Park... its already bursting at the seams. A seperate Polo Park - Downtown route, terminating at Empress/Eastway, would provide for connections to the suburban routes at the Blue Cross stop, along with servicing the mall, with a sheltered walkway/parkade for people to walk into the mall through its East Wing. Along with added service. Would help to replace the 1990s service cuts and start the long road back up to 1980s transit service.

Are you meaning to have the Ellice route go to Polo Park? Hmm, may work...

Route 19 - Get it to service Canad Inns Windsor Park (Stereo/Cowboys nightclubs) and ridership during Fridays and Saturdays would skyrocket, as opposed to an empty bus everytime it loops the neighborhood. Or everytime it goes back Downtown, for that matter!

I will check that out since I almost rejigged the route in Windsor Park.

Route 26 - Cutting out the Silver/Ellice sections will hit hard... I live on it and use it to get to work, along with a ton of other people, the Discovery daycare (if Winnipeg Transit wonders why theres 20-30 boardcounts at a time there, its cause of the daycare :P ), Route 14 connection too. Cutting that would decimate Route 26 revenue. Along with giving the Ferry/Silver area literally no service.

I will change that back. I had it the same as current and then changed it to this to save a bit of time, but you're right. The service on Ferry/Silver will be gone. However, there is still a connection with Route 14...

Route 78 - The Lowson portion and Tuxedo Industrial Park shaved off would save IMMENSE amounts of time... (Kenaston)

But then people can't go to the Industrial area there. One thing I considered for this route is to split it into two different numbers. Then I was going to have the Waverley part as the "Crosstown West" route that goes from Polo Park to U of M, and have another number (perhaps 79 since I removed that number?) do the Kenaston portion without going to U of M. I have a draft drawn up on my computer of this while still part of Route 78 -- I'll post it and see what people think.

Route 72 - I like it! Routes 84 and 86 though would need a re-work if this happens, to prevent duplication.

I'm sure you figured out after you wrote this that I already did re-work those routes... In fact they are eliminated in their current form.

Route 82 should instead focus out towards Pointe West, Assiniboia Downs and eventually back to Headingley. I rode the 83 in full last week - I was impressed (4pm trip, weekday). It completely counters what I see mid-day near Whytewold.

Does Winnipeg Transit have the authority to go outside of city limits? If so, I'll figure something out for the Headingley area.

Route 98 should service down Moray to Murray Park/Sturgeon/Strauss. Seeing Moray everyday, daytime service is certainly feasible with all of those cars, and route connections (65/66/67/79).

See my new 82 and 95 routes above. Note that the 95 took over for much of the 98.

Route 180 would become quite a way to save revenue and add service possibly. I like it!

I never figured out why there were two routes that travelled along a similar portion... So I essentially combined 180 and 181 into one route that travels in both directions. The industrial areas are only covered in the peak direction (southbound in AM and northbound in PM) and are bypassed in the opposite peak direction.

Thanks for the great feedback! If we all start to agree on things, maybe these links could be an email off to Winnipeg Transit???

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Here's a new Ellice route in test form only. This can either be added to route 14 or be an entirely new route with route 14 becoming St. Mary's only. With this change, I would revert the 26 back to my original plan with it staying on Berry Street. Please note that I would have it go into the Polo Park terminal, but I didn't feel like drawing that manually for the test.

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But then people can't go to the Industrial area there. One thing I considered for this route is to split it into two different numbers. Then I was going to have the Waverley part as the "Crosstown West" route that goes from Polo Park to U of M, and have another number (perhaps 79 since I removed that number?) do the Kenaston portion without going to U of M. I have a draft drawn up on my computer of this while still part of Route 78 -- I'll post it and see what people think.

I'm sure you figured out after you wrote this that I already did re-work those routes... In fact they are eliminated in their current form.

Does Winnipeg Transit have the authority to go outside of city limits? If so, I'll figure something out for the Headingley area.

See my new 82 and 95 routes above. Note that the 95 took over for much of the 98.

I never figured out why there were two routes that travelled along a similar portion... So I essentially combined 180 and 181 into one route that travels in both directions. The industrial areas are only covered in the peak direction (southbound in AM and northbound in PM) and are bypassed in the opposite peak direction.

Thanks for the great feedback! If we all start to agree on things, maybe these links could be an email off to Winnipeg Transit???

I used to work at Ikea, and the Lowson/Industrial portions have always seemed extremely dead to me during my rides. Before the IKEA extension, the only people at the Lowson bus stop would just be Ikea employees. As evident by the tons of them leaving their garbage from the cafeteria in the ditch... jeeze, my co-workers were messy.

And I only went through the routes that I've been on (or tried out before while fanning). I've never been through Transcona, St Vital, Pembina or the Maples much, so I didnt open those links.

Technically they do (Birds Hill Park, for example), and unless Headingley pays for it, they'll never see service again. But considering how much more useful it would be to service that community than the south one that the 87/your new 49 services, along with all f the construction since 1993, that it should be looked at again by Winnipeg Transit once the RM decides to fund it.

And anytime!

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