SirAndrew710 Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 2 hours ago, car4041 said: Somewhat unfortunate, though, since Westminster Ave is the commercial main street in that area and is geographically more central than Wolseley Ave. I was thinking the same thing. I wonder what affect (if any) losing the bus will have on the numerous small businesses along Westminster. 2 hours ago, car4041 said: But the loss of service from Westminster and Balmoral does align with the master plan, so it would be gone eventually anyway. The only transit service in Wolseley under the TMP will be an extension of the Arlington bus down to Wolseley Ave and then across Wolseley Ave to terminate at Misericordia. With service every 15-30 minutes, I can't imagine this route being very attractive. It would usually be faster to just walk to Portage or Sherbrook to catch a more frequent bus that actually goes somewhere useful. The original draft of the TMP had the Arlington bus terminate at Aubrey Loop, but as you mentioned, it was changed to the Misericordia. The stops on Westminster and Balmoral were very well used pre-pandemic, so who knows how losing that service would affect ridership. Would those people just take the 11 or 17 instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConnorsCompShow Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 Here's some observations from today's IRPW: Sharma grilled Greg pretty good at IRPW about the state of Transit Plus after he said that in their opinion, TP/HT drivers are being treated with dignity and respect by their employers (despite hearing from a few people, including a TP/HT driver who was apparently suspended). Chambers had asked whether or not there was a breakdown somewhere between scheduling, dispatch, and services tendered, in particular that the services tendered part may not be always reflecting back to the scheduling/dispatching part of the equation. From Transit's POV, as long as the rubber is on the road for a certain amount of hours, within those hours it's on the vendors to hand out trip requests to their drivers and to insert breaks. They also cast doubt on it being a problem of a lack of resources in response to Chambers' follow-up. The route 10 changes got approved. They needed more time to hear back from the advisory committee about an emergency distress signals proposal that first appeared a few months back in one of the community committees. Item 4 was their catch-all; they started with electric buses, the aim is to try both those as well as fuel-cell ones and the dialogue was pushed by Bjorn more towards the generic "ZEB"/"ZEV" concept as opposed to battery-electric specifically. The funding plans for ZEVs will be thrown in with the WTMP in March. Should funding be approved, and should other government levels cooperate, the earliest the new set of rubber could hit the road for the new trial is 2022. This spring, "on-request transit" becomes a thing for a 12-month pilot, and the biggest change will be how rides are booked: through an application or through a web browser, "or by talking to someone at 311 directly" (in essence, RIP the current DART lines, funneling everyone through 311/online is the idea here it seems). Their main worry with the current DART system is that if for some reason it got really popular in a hurry, drivers would be bogged down with taking calls and it would degrade service. They also believe that the current lack of an online or an ARM app is the main reason why people may not know the concept of DART is a thing (which I could absolutely see if you don't already live in a DART area and don't ever come across one of those signs). They plan to mount a tablet in the driver's area to view incoming requests that come in from the new system. All 3 of the current DARTs will be converted over to start off. The app will be bilingual, service hours remain unchanged, no new 30ft purchases to go along with it. They want to have a minimum 5 minute buffer for requests to let requesters get their affairs in order and walk to what they call a "virtual stop", and users would get given a 2 minute warning notification when a bus is almost there. Navigo "bookings" won't be integrated into the pilot but it's something that's being explored. Greg added on to Craig's bit about ORT and brought up they're going to review the practicality and possibility of using different types of vehicles totally, such as a community shuttle/TP/HT style bus which would alleviate noise worries. Craig also said that in theory, they could even flag certain users with mobility impairments that would cap the amount of walking to their "virtual stop" to something like 15m instead of the usual 200m/150m/whatever it is. One other thing in there, there were some Sage Creek-specific suggestions from the residents' association for tweaks to improve service in the area, and it was ingested into the WTMP process, so that'll show up in the final WTMP draft in March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac Williams Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 1 hour ago, ConnorsCompShow said: This spring, "on-request transit" becomes a thing for a 12-month pilot, and the biggest change will be how rides are booked: through an application or through a web browser, "or by talking to someone at 311 directly" (in essence, RIP the current DART lines, funneling everyone through 311/online is the idea here it seems). Their main worry with the current DART system is that if for some reason it got really popular in a hurry, drivers would be bogged down with taking calls and it would degrade service. They also believe that the current lack of an online or an ARM app is the main reason why people may not know the concept of DART is a thing (which I could absolutely see if you don't already live in a DART area and don't ever come across one of those signs). One other thing in there, there were some Sage Creek-specific suggestions from the residents' association for tweaks to improve service in the area, and it was ingested into the WTMP process, so that'll show up in the final WTMP draft in March. It's about time Winnipeg Transit finally explores the idea of booking DART trips online. While I don't live in a DART area, I would use the app to book trips for riding around. Something I've wondered is why the 101 isn't advertised at all at Plaza Station, or SB Pembina @ Plaza. Keep in mind, you can board the 101 at Pembina & Plaza, without needing to phone in. The website doesn't even list the 101 as observing that stop, even though it does. Sage Creek should get improved service, sooner rather than later. At the very least they could run the 50 all day on weekdays, or maybe create a new all-day Sage Creek feeder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wt_enthusiast_photos Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 2 hours ago, Isaac Williams said: It's about time Winnipeg Transit finally explores the idea of booking DART trips online. While I don't live in a DART area, I would use the app to book trips for riding around. Something I've wondered is why the 101 isn't advertised at all at Plaza Station, or SB Pembina @ Plaza. Keep in mind, you can board the 101 at Pembina & Plaza, without needing to phone in. The website doesn't even list the 101 as observing that stop, even though it does. Sage Creek should get improved service, sooner rather than later. At the very least they could run the 50 all day on weekdays, or maybe create a new all-day Sage Creek feeder. A few years ago there gonna be a route 52 that covered royalwood. Sage creek, island lakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMP15 Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 2 hours ago, Isaac Williams said: It's about time Winnipeg Transit finally explores the idea of booking DART trips online. While I don't live in a DART area, I would use the app to book trips for riding around. Something I've wondered is why the 101 isn't advertised at all at Plaza Station, or SB Pembina @ Plaza. Keep in mind, you can board the 101 at Pembina & Plaza, without needing to phone in. The website doesn't even list the 101 as observing that stop, even though it does. Sage Creek should get improved service, sooner rather than later. At the very least they could run the 50 all day on weekdays, or maybe create a new all-day Sage Creek feeder. A big issue with DART currently is that it doesn't show up in Navigo or other route planning apps. I suspect that significantly contributes to why people don't know about DART and why it is severely under utilized. I can see how it could be problematic to program into Navigo as the times are not fixed, but at the very least it would be nice if Navigo prompted users that DART is a thing if their trip starts/ends in a DART service area during the DARTs service hours, just so they're aware. An example of this is travelling to St Amant from Windsor Park on a Sunday. Navigo will simply say to take the 75 and walk from Bishop. However, even if the programmers at the City don't have to time to incorporate this into Navigo entirely, it would be good (and very very simple to implement) if a automatic message was generated alerting users that St Amant is in the DART 101 service area (or route 101 ORT or whatever they'll call it). Another big limitation I've found with Navigo, especially after BLUE was implemented is that it only searches for trips with a maximum of 2 transfers, whereas now with the spine and feeder concept, some routes will require 3 transfers (feeder from origin -> first spine to a major center (u of m, downtown, etc.) -> spine away from major centre-> feeder to destination). Overall, the IRPW presentations were informative, but I was rather disappointed by all the councillors saying "this is an important issue and things need to change" (particularly to items 1 and 2), but still just receiving the reports as information and not actually changing anything (they do know they have the power to do that... right?). Allard in particular just came off as cocky. As the chair of the committee, he shouldn't be referring to delegation to make BE IT RESOLVEDs right on the spot, as that is the job of the committee and not the delegates (although if Coun. Lukes was there she would have been up to the challenge). Finally, as one of the Wosley residents indicated, the City of Winnipeg's engagement mechanisms are flawed and biased. For example, the route network for the Transit Master Plan was altered in this phase, however the public engagement surveys only asked about the rapid transit network. Another thing is found disappointed especially with Coun. Chambers being on the committee is that the Sage Creek report basically got steamrolled into the final TMP, and which point it will be too cumbersome to edit it and basically whatever the public service puts into there is what's going to happen. That was a missed opportunity to try to ask transit what potential feasible solutions are to this problem and then bring that back to residents. All in all, there's some exciting things going on with transit, and it's great to see/hear this, but the job of the committee itself seemed useless today, other than to generate reports and blindly approve them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac Williams Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 4 hours ago, bus is coming 1965 said: A few years ago there gonna be a route 52 that covered royalwood. Sage creek, island lakes Yes, I know that obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ygk Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 21 hours ago, bus is coming 1965 said: A few years ago there gonna be a route 52 that covered royalwood. Sage creek, island lakes Was this route going to complete both loops on each trip? Even worse, through Sage Creek in each direction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac Williams Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 39 minutes ago, ygk said: Was this route going to complete both loops on each trip? Even worse, through Sage Creek in each direction? Yes, it would go through Sage Creek in both directions. Route 50 already does both loops, but comes from Downtown, and currently runs rush hour only. This is Route 50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMP15 Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 3 hours ago, Isaac Williams said: Yes, it would go through Sage Creek in both directions. Route 50 already does both loops, but comes from Downtown, and currently runs rush hour only. This is Route 50. Does anyone else find it funny that right now sage creek has peak service (50) and night/Sunday service (Dart 102) but no midday or Saturday afternoon service? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac Williams Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 5 hours ago, MMP15 said: Does anyone else find it funny that right now sage creek has peak service (50) and night/Sunday service (Dart 102) but no midday or Saturday afternoon service? Yeah, Sage Creek is definitley very odd when it comes to service (and lack thereof). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConnorsCompShow Posted January 18, 2021 Report Share Posted January 18, 2021 Seen this slid into my Google stories list today, New Flyer announced that they've got a new order of 32 XD40s. Assuming nothing drastic, 436-467. https://www.chrisd.ca/2021/01/18/winnipeg-transit-xcelsior-buses-new-flyer/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tctf101 Posted January 18, 2021 Report Share Posted January 18, 2021 43 minutes ago, ConnorsCompShow said: Assuming nothing drastic, 436-467. Actually they will be 440-471 because winnipeg transit always starts with 0, 1 or 5 with fleet numbers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConnorsCompShow Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 Funny coincidence, 662 is running 662 today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wt_enthusiast_photos Posted January 23, 2021 Report Share Posted January 23, 2021 6 hours ago, ConnorsCompShow said: Funny coincidence, 662 is running 662 today. I got a picture of it today but I got the P/R so I deleted it. But I have 662 back in August on the 662 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viafreak Posted January 23, 2021 Report Share Posted January 23, 2021 14 hours ago, ConnorsCompShow said: Funny coincidence, 662 is running 662 today. That could happen with many of the 600-series buses and feeder routes. Not sure why they are signed as 100-series on the run cards (eg. 690-2 is 190-2 on the run card). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wt_enthusiast_photos Posted January 23, 2021 Report Share Posted January 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Viafreak said: That could happen with many of the 600-series buses and feeder routes. Not sure why they are signed as 100-series on the run cards (eg. 690-2 is 190-2 on the run card). I was told why but I completely forgot. I'll find out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac Williams Posted January 23, 2021 Report Share Posted January 23, 2021 2 hours ago, Viafreak said: Not sure why they are signed as 100-series on the run cards (eg. 690-2 is 190-2 on the run card). It's because the computers can't handle run numbers that high. I know it sounds stupid, but I'm pretty sure that's why. Which makes me wonder, what are they gonna do when (if) the TMP starts to get implemented? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tctf101 Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 A bit of word of caution from me: So me and bus is coming 1965 were fanning at graham and smith and after we are done police came and asked us what we were doing, they said that due to current issues going on in the US and potential threats posed towards the police headquarters they are kind of sensitive towards cameras being used around the building, so to anyone that plans on fanning around there it’s best to avoid fanning at graham and smith for the time being, although it’s not explicitly asked to stop fanning around there in general all precautions should be taken when near the building with a camera as we don’t want to create more bad then good. At the same time the police are aware what we are doing and knows it doesn’t pose any hazards but still better to cooperate for the time being and do what’s asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac Williams Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 Eh, it's probably not as big a deal as they're making it out to be, whatever they're even talking about. Regardless, it's too cold for me to willingly go out for fanning anyways, except maybe the half-block walk to the 95. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMP15 Posted March 4, 2021 Report Share Posted March 4, 2021 Does anyone know if the TMP will be included in the agenda of the March IRPW meeting? The timeline to present to council is "Spring 2021" so that could be any month from now until May. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew710 Posted March 4, 2021 Report Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 hour ago, MMP15 said: Does anyone know if the TMP will be included in the agenda of the March IRPW meeting? The timeline to present to council is "Spring 2021" so that could be any month from now until May. I believe it’s supposed to be this month. We’ll see for sure whenever the agenda for next week’s meeting is uploaded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhood135 Posted March 4, 2021 Report Share Posted March 4, 2021 They’ve been saying March’s meeting for a while now. The province wants to pull the remaining Federal transit infrastructure funding from the city and give it to other municipalities for non-transit projects, claiming there are no active proposals to use it in Winnipeg. So the city is trying to get this out sooner than later to try and stop the province from doing that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armorand Posted March 6, 2021 Report Share Posted March 6, 2021 On 3/4/2021 at 8:57 AM, jhood135 said: They’ve been saying March’s meeting for a while now. The province wants to pull the remaining Federal transit infrastructure funding from the city and give it to other municipalities for non-transit projects, claiming there are no active proposals to use it in Winnipeg. So the city is trying to get this out sooner than later to try and stop the province from doing that. You'd think back home in Manitoba, they'd use that money to actually ESTABLISH public transit in other communities... Morden, Winkler, Steinbach, Portage La Prairie... or maybe replace some of those Brandon Transit buses? If Pallisters gonna pull this crap on Winnipeg, he should at least force other Manitoba towns and cities to use it on public transit projects so the rest of the province isn't stuck asking their neighbors for rides... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac Williams Posted March 6, 2021 Report Share Posted March 6, 2021 6 hours ago, armorand said: You'd think back home in Manitoba, they'd use that money to actually ESTABLISH public transit in other communities... Morden, Winkler, Steinbach, Portage La Prairie... or maybe replace some of those Brandon Transit buses? If Pallisters gonna pull this crap on Winnipeg, he should at least force other Manitoba towns and cities to use it on public transit projects so the rest of the province isn't stuck asking their neighbors for rides... Well, would you really expect a guy like Pallister to care about things like this? I'm sure he couldn't care less about public transit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trebor204 Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 Master Plan is out: https://winnipegtransit.com/en/major-projects/transit-master-plan/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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