Ber Posted September 6, 2014 Report Share Posted September 6, 2014 That's true and that's why there's the chime and announcement However the doormen need to be sensible and ensure that the chime and announcement has had a chance to play through fully before they close over trying to rush the procedure and risk chopping people who are are still theoretically in the "yellow light" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle Posted September 6, 2014 Report Share Posted September 6, 2014 That's true and that's why there's the chime and announcement However the doormen need to be sensible and ensure that the chime and announcement has had a chance to play through fully before they close over trying to rush the procedure and risk chopping people who are are still theoretically in the "yellow light" Yellow means stop if you are driving a car and it is safe to do so. Flashing yellow hand in a crosswalk means don't start crossing. So, if you are in the "yellow light", in most situations you are in the wrong. Just to give you an idea of what those "doormen" are dealing with, try looking down 450' of crowded platform, taking care of 24 doors at once. Those "doormen" only see about 3' of platform, they don't see around corners, up stairs, down corridors, to the collector booths. They can't see through pillars, suitcases, or people. If someone is running for the train, they are doing something they are not supposed to do. If someone is running down a set of stairs and pops out of a cutout in a wall, or from behind a pillar, and slams into the closing doors, that is their fault, they did not heed the warnings. Do you run into closing elevator doors, which do not have any of those warnings? Why the train, when the next train will arrive sooner than the next elevator in many cases? There is no such thing as catching someone in the doors, as long as the warnings are working. It is designed so that the doors don't exert enough pressure to injure you. Sure, it may squeeze a little, but not damage you. If you are running, then you are the one adding enough force to cause injury. Would you run face first into a brick wall? Glass and metal hurts just the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ber Posted September 6, 2014 Report Share Posted September 6, 2014 Of.course they can't be held.responsible for people who try to dash for the doors But it's not on when the door closes before the announcement and even at times the chime is even done which I have seen and experienced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Lubinski Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Of.course they can't be held.responsible for people who try to dash for the doors But it's not on when the door closes before the announcement and even at times the chime is even done which I have seen and experienced One should always exercise caution when heading for open subway doors, especially when rushing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfitz Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Would you run face first into a brick wall? Glass and metal hurts just the same. The only time in recent times that I've actually seen someone literally bounce off a door just after it closed it was a uniformed TTC employee. I can only assume that he thought that if he ran for it, the operator would change his mind about closing the doors. The operator didn't, and the train left. However, clearly it's acceptable to do this, given that TTC employees do the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 The only time in recent times that I've actually seen someone literally bounce off a door just after it closed it was a uniformed TTC employee. I can only assume that he thought that if he ran for it, the operator would change his mind about closing the doors. The operator didn't, and the train left. However, clearly it's acceptable to do this, given that TTC employees do the same. That employee should reel in his sense of importance a little bit so he doesn't get hurt seriously next time. He isn't more important than hundreds of people who managed to get on that train before the doors started to close, despite what he thinks that uniform gets him. One big problem is those TR door chimes. They are really hard to hear on the platform with the HVAC fans running. Just the other day, I couldn't get on one at Bloor during rush hour. I had to let it pass because it was too crowded. When the chimes went, they were so faint I thought it was the train on the opposite side closing the doors. The modified TRs with the external chimes are so much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfitz Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 That employee should reel in his sense of importance a little bit so he doesn't get hurt seriously next time. He isn't more important than hundreds of people who managed to get on that train before the doors started to close, despite what he thinks that uniform gets him. He did look a little stunned and abashed. It was very amusing. One big problem is those TR door chimes. They are really hard to hear on the platform with the HVAC fans running. Just the other day, I couldn't get on one at Bloor during rush hour. I had to let it pass because it was too crowded. When the chimes went, they were so faint I thought it was the train on the opposite side closing the doors. The modified TRs with the external chimes are so much better. They announced in July they are going to spend over $10 million to put external chimes on all the TRs - http://www.ttc.ca/About_the_TTC/Commission_reports_and_information/Commission_meetings/2014/July_23/Reports/PROCUREMENT_AUTHORIZATION_AMENDMENT_TO_THE_TORONTO_ROCKET_TR.pdf So that issue should go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Lubinski Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 He did look a little stunned and abashed. It was very amusing. They announced in July they are going to spend over $10 million to put external chimes on all the TRs - http://www.ttc.ca/About_the_TTC/Commission_reports_and_information/Commission_meetings/2014/July_23/Reports/PROCUREMENT_AUTHORIZATION_AMENDMENT_TO_THE_TORONTO_ROCKET_TR.pdf So that issue should go away. One wonders why they didn't just specify the external speakers in the first place, as all the cars have had external chimes since the prototype train had the same issue with the chimes not being audible outside when it was first put into service in the spring of 1991. It was modified with external speakers a few months later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttc rider Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 Couldn't find a reliable source of information, so I am going to ask a couple of questions here: How many motors does a TR set have? What is the output power per motor? How does it compare with the AC motors on the T1 cars? Most of the fixed-car "Movia" designs only have the middle cars powered, with the first and last cars being unpowered. Is this the case with the TRs as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallspy Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 Couldn't find a reliable source of information, so I am going to ask a couple of questions here: How many motors does a TR set have? What is the output power per motor? How does it compare with the AC motors on the T1 cars? Most of the fixed-car "Movia" designs only have the middle cars powered, with the first and last cars being unpowered. Is this the case with the TRs as well? The end trucks of the A cars are unpowered, all others are powered. That means 20 of 24 axles are powered. Each traction motor has a continuous rating of 208 hp, versus 140 for the T1s. Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 So that means that the fact that the trains run slower than T1's is because the HP is limited and programmed to run slower? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion VIII Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Since you didn't (or couldn't) do the math... 24 powered axles on a T1 train = 3360hp 20 powered axles on a TR train = 4160hp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 That wasn't my point. I know they have more HP. Why is the acceleration and top speed limited to be slower than the T1's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bus_Medic Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Wheel slip? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38 Highland Creek Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Wheel slip? Possibly or some aren't used on low rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyerD901 Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 I've heard from operators that the T1s are faster than the TRs. And The hawkers are even faster. The slowest were the G cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noahrp24 Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 I've heard from operators that the T1s are faster than the TRs. And The hawkers are even faster. The slowest were the G cars. did they mention about M1s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallspy Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Just because the motors are rated for a specific amount of horsepower doesn't mean that they will automatically put that horsepower out. In fact, it would be downright stupid to run it at that power all the time. Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 So is the system smart enough to detect and calculate load and compensate for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 So is the system smart enough to detect and calculate load and compensate for it? Yes. Even the Hawkers had a system that did this. The trains try to accelerate/brake at basically the same rate regardless of load up to a certain point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTCNLFBT Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 5943 has arrived today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Bullock Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 http://globalnews.ca/news/1599950/ttc-adding-more-subways-to-ease-rush-hour-congestion/ "The subway additions will be split on the Yonge-University and Bloor-Danforth line." Does this mean that the TR's will begin to make appearances on the B-D line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vivablue5215 Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 http://globalnews.ca/news/1599950/ttc-adding-more-subways-to-ease-rush-hour-congestion/ Does this mean that the TR's will begin to make appearances on the B-D line? Read the article again... Hint: There are a lot of spare trains right now in both lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noahrp24 Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 http://globalnews.ca/news/1599950/ttc-adding-more-subways-to-ease-rush-hour-congestion/ Does this mean that the TR's will begin to make appearances on the B-D line? well since pretty much all the T1s (360+)are going to be at greenwood and there are a lot of TRs on the Yonge line I don't know you tell me. If there is a shortage on line 2 then maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtrazsteve Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 well since pretty much all the T1s (360+)are going to be at greenwood and there are a lot of TRs on the Yonge line I don't know you tell me. If there is a shortage on line 2 then maybe There is more than enough T1's for Line 2 plus the Scarborough subway extension. There will never be a shortage of T1's. The TTC overbought TR's to convert the entire line 1. For Line 1, there might be a shortage of TR's thanks to Bombardier's strike. They need 51 TR trains but only have 56 TR's. That's only 5 trains for spares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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