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3 hours ago, 7979 d40lf fan said:

Did 8093,8092 and 8085 transfer to AG or is it a CAD issue? Im going to somerset this morning to try to see about the one on the 75.

T55 says 8085 is on the 125 and 8092 is on the Max Teal, both being mainly AG routes. It also says 8088 was moved to AG as well.

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50 minutes ago, downbeat said:

Schedules for the fall signup are now visible on Calgary Transit's website.

Notably, the extended late-night service span for Route 302 is being shown in the schedules.

I wish they gave the 167 late night service 😭😭 i have to walk from chapparal to legacy after work some days when i work late cause it does not go past 7:00

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5 minutes ago, 7979 d40lf fan said:

I wish they gave the 167 late night service 😭😭 i have to walk from chapparal to legacy after work some days when i work late cause it does not go past 7:00

Do make sure to call Calgary Transit's customer service line to share that with them! They can't know unless we tell them stuff like this.

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More things I've noticed from a quick look at the schedules:

  • Route 1's new rush hour schedules are a little weird, as the new eastbound trips are much later than Route 305's current service span. The new departures operate a whole round trip on the route, meaning peak service is 6:22 to 7:50 a.m. and 3:54 to 5:00 p.m. leaving Penbrooke; 7:49 to 9:17 a.m. and 5:21 to 6:27 p.m leaving Bowness. On the upside, the eastbound trips will probably miss most of the traffic nonsense in Kensington … but they might also miss some of the potential riders too.
  • Route 10 will have a 30 minute headway on weekdays and weekends.
  • Route 108 has a fantastic headway during the day of just 22 minutes. It's 44 minutes late night and 45 minutes on weekends.
  • MAX Teal has unadvertised late-night improvements. Those awkward 35-50 minute headways at the end of the day will be 28-30 minutes in the fall.
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5 hours ago, downbeat said:

Route 1's new rush hour schedules are a little weird, as the new eastbound trips are much later than Route 305's current service span. The new departures operate a whole round trip on the route, meaning peak service is 6:22 to 7:50 a.m. and 3:54 to 5:00 p.m. leaving Penbrooke; 7:49 to 9:17 a.m. and 5:21 to 6:27 p.m leaving Bowness. On the upside, the eastbound trips will probably miss most of the traffic nonsense in Kensington … but they might also miss some of the potential riders too.

A little weird is an understatement. I took some time to plot out some time ranges where the Route 1 will have 10-12 minute frequency and a bunch of them just make absolutely no sense to me. That kind of frequency sounded great on paper but the implementation is quite a bit silly in a few cases.

For starters, here is the operating hours of the current Route 305 (3 trips per direction every 30 mins). I have highlighted the peak direction in red.

When I think of peak periods, the 2h window between 6-8am in the morning and 4-6pm in the afternoons come to mind. The 305 falls in line with that quite nicely.

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Now here is the time ranges for the new Route 1 schedule. The first time listed would mean the first bus that starts the higher frequency (going to call it HF going forward) service every ~11 minutes while the last time listed would be the last bus before going back to 20+ minute frequency. Again, the peak directions are highlighted in red. To make the comparison to the peak 305 trips easier, i've also bolded the peak directions that would effectively be replacing the 305.

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To summarize a few observations going from top to bottom:

  • For westbound trips outbound from Penbrooke, that window of HF service is quite good. The afternoon westbound trips operate at pretty reasonable times as well during rush hour.
  • Those same trips from Penbrooke continue on to Bowness. Departing from downtown, the window of HF service actually is pretty close to the operating hours of the 305.

Eastbound trips are where things start to get a little uglier.

  • For eastbound trips departing from Bowness, HF service is now effectively between 8-9am which is quite different from the 6:30-7:30 trips of the 305. Those eastbound Route 1 trips from 6:30-7:30 are probably going to get busier than they are now without the 305 to supplement service during that hour. 8-9am HF service could still be useful for a different group of people but doesn't properly replace former 305 service.
  • Likewise, the afternoon eastbound trips differs from the 305 service quite a bit with HF service not starting until 5:21pm which is quite late nearing the tail end of rush hour
  • Departing from downtown going eastbound, there is this really odd window of HF service between almost 8:30 to 10am. That said, this might not be as crazy considering more shops and services would start to open around this time in the morning in Inglewood and along 17 Ave SE.
  • Lastly, and what I think is the biggest issue is the afternoon trips departing from downtown going east. From 6-7pm, there is an hour of HF service which is completely outside of the definition of afternoon peak hours. The busiest times for both the 1 and MP between 4-6pm will see no improvements at all and then suddenly after 6, there will be a sudden surge of buses that will likely be nowhere near as full as they would've been if they came an hour or two earlier.

If you observe closely, it seems like what they did is pretty much start every new trip from Penbrooke and then have it complete 1 round trip. Once block data is available on T55, it should be able to confirm if this is the case or not (so still just speculation for now). Westbound trips are actually pretty good but having those same westbound trips be the start of all eastbound trips makes those eastbound trips begin service much much later than expected. I'm quite surprised they wouldn't bother starting any trips from Bowness initially or from downtown in the afternoons going outbound.

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2 minutes ago, 7979 d40lf fan said:

 

is there on demand service in livingston/caringston?

Yes. That was in the announcement for the fall service change, which says near the top: “On Demand service will continue in Livingston and Carrington.”

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9 minutes ago, 7979 d40lf fan said:

Oh! How come it does not show up on transit55? The west demand does.

It doesn't show up on Transit55 as it is separately contracted out to Southland who does not use CT vehicles but instead uses Ford Transit vans. 

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1 hour ago, Transit Fan said:

I took some time to plot out some time ranges where the Route 1 will have 10-12 minute frequency

I agree with your assessment that westbound peak service on the route seems to be better timed than eastbound service. I’m imagining this is just a personnel issue: the fall 2023 peak-hour additional service can be accomplished with three or four drivers doing the same number round-trips. I assume they would prefer having perfectly timed trips in both directions but that would necessitate double the number of drivers for the same number of extra service hours. (The accountants would surely love my idea.)

I do wonder, however, why transit planners felt it necessary for these extra trips to go all the way from end to end. They could literally have used the three buses used for Route 305 and have them cover a similar time period on Route 1 but turning around at the Central Library, as the west side is where current Route 1 capacity is somewhat lacking at times. At least in the east, going as far as Inglewood, riders have a number of options apart from Route 1. Going as far as 52 St E, there’s also MAX Purple. (I haven’t used the eastern segment as much in recent times. Is ridership currently high enough to justify 9 departures/hour servicing the transitway at rush hour?)

Also, having used Route 1 a little bit during the p.m. rush over the last year, I’ve noticed it starts getting busy going WB from downtown as early as 3 p.m., when departures using 40-foot buses can get jam-packed. The new schedules don’t address this. Time will tell how the changes actually serve riders but I get the feeling Route 1’s schedule will need a bit of revising in the future …

I don’t mean to armchair quarterback before the changes even happen, but I’m probably more familiar with Route 1 than any other.

 

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More unadvertised service improvements in the fall 2023 schedules:

  • Route 82 will have its weekday service span extended to end about two hours later.
  • Route 302 will see headways of 12 minutes early a.m., then 20 minutes for the remainder of the a.m. peak, and the 30-minute service gap going northbound in the current schedule is gone. Southbound only: 10-12 minutes in early p.m. peak, then 20 minutes for the rest of rush hour. (20 minute headways northbound in p.m. peak, so no change.)
  • MAX Teal will have a 20 minute headway during midday on weekdays, in addition to announced improvement to 20 minutes during peak hours.

Also, MAX Yellow’s improvements are slightly better than advertised: headways during peak times are as low as 9 minutes.

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