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GTAmissions1

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For those wondering how Go Train service will work on New Years Eve. Here is the breakdown by line alongside for record keeping purposes. 

Lakeshore West eastbound towards Union Station:

  • The 5:05 p.m. train departing Oakville GO will make stops at Clarkson and Port Credit GO, before arriving at Union Station at 5:38 p.m. 
  • The 5:35 p.m. train departing Oakville GO will make stops at Clarkson and Port Credit GO, before arriving at Union Station at 6:08 p.m. 
  • The 6:05 p.m. train departing Oakville GO will make stops at Clarkson and Port Credit GO, before arriving at Union Station at 6:38 p.m. 
  • The 6:35 p.m. train departing Oakville GO will make stops at Clarkson and Port Credit GO, before arriving at Union Station at 7:08 p.m. 
  • The 8:14 p.m. train departing Hamilton GO Centre will make stops at Aldershot, Burlington, Oakville, Port Credit and Exhibition GO, before arriving at Union Station at 9:28 p.m. 
  • The 9:09 p.m. train will depart Niagara Falls GO one hour earlier at 8:09 p.m., make stops at Hamilton, Aldershot, Burlington, Oakville, Port Credit and Exhibition GO, before arriving at Union Station at 10:28 p.m. 
  • The 11:25 p.m. train departing West Harbour GO will bypass Hamilton GO, then make all stops before arriving at Union Station at 12:46 a.m. 
  • The 12:55 a.m. train departing West Harbour GO will bypass Hamilton GO, then make all stops before arriving at Union Station at 2:15 a.m.

Lakeshore West departures from Union Station:

  • The 10:22 p.m., 11:47 p.m. and 12:17 a.m. trains will be cancelled.
  • The 12:32 a.m. train departing Union Station will end at Burlington GO arriving at 1:37 a.m. 
  • The 12:47 a.m. train departing Union Station will make all stops, bypassing Hamilton GO and end at West Harbour GO arriving at 2:14 a.m. 
  • The 1:02 a.m. train departing Union Station will make all stops before ending at Burlington GO arriving at 2:07 a.m. 
  • The 1:17 a.m. train departing Union Station will make all stops before ending at Hamilton GO arriving at 2:47 a.m. 
  • The 1:47 a.m. train departing Union Station will make all stops before ending at Burlington GO arriving at 2:52 a.m. 
  • The 2:47 a.m. train departing Union Station will make all stops, bypassing Hamilton GO and end at West Harbour GO arriving at 4:14 a.m. 
  • The 3:47 a.m. train departing Union Station will make all stops before ending at Burlington GO arriving at 4:47 a.m. 
  • The 5:47 a.m. train departing Union Station will make all stops, bypassing Hamilton GO and end at West Harbour GO arriving at 7:09 a.m. 
  • The 7:47 a.m. train departing Union Station will make all stops, bypassing Hamilton GO and end at West Harbour GO arriving at 9:09 a.m.

Milton line to Union Station:

  • The 8:30 p.m. train departing Milton GO will make all stops before arriving at Union Station at 9:33 p.m.  
  • The 9:30 p.m. train departing Milton GO will make all stops before arriving at Union Station at 10:33 p.m. 

Milton line departures from Union Station: 

  • The 4:10 p.m. train departing Union Station will be cancelled and replaced with an earlier train departing Union station at 1:40 p.m.,making all stops before arriving at Milton GO at 2:40 p.m.  
  • The 4:40 p.m. train departing Union Station will be cancelled and replaced with an earlier train departing Union station at 2:40 p.m. making all stops before arriving at Milton GO at 3:40 p.m. 
  • The 12:55 a.m. train departing Union Station will make all stops before arriving at Milton GO at 1:55 a.m.  
  • The 2:55 a.m. train departing Union Station will make all stops before arriving at Milton GO at 3:55 a.m.

Barrie line departures from Union Station:

  • The 10:01 p.m. and 10:54 p.m. trains make all stops before ending at Aurora GO.  
  • The 12:54 a.m. train departing Union Station will make all stops before arriving at Allandale Waterfront GO at 2:42 a.m.  
  • The 2:24 a.m. train departing Union Station will make all stops before arriving at Allandale Waterfront GO at 4:12 a.m.  
  • The 3:54 a.m. train departing Union station will make all stops before arriving at Bradford GO at 5:06 a.m. 

Kitchener line departures from Union Station:

  • The 4:34 p.m. and 5:04 p.m. trains will make all stops before ending at Bramalea GO.  
  • The 10:34 p.m. train will make all stops before ending at Mount Pleasant GO.  
  • The 11:34 p.m. train will be cancelled.  
  • The 12:34 a.m. train departing Union Station will make all stops before ending at Mount Pleasant GO arriving at 1:28 a.m.  
  • The 1:04 a.m. train departing Union Station will make all stops before ending at Bramalea GO arriving at 1:44 a.m.  
  • The 1:19 a.m. train departing Union Station will make all stops before ending at Georgetown GO arriving at 2:24 a.m.  
  • The 1:34 a.m. train departing Union Station will make all stops before ending at Kitchener GO arriving at 3:28 a.m. 
  • The 2:04 a.m. train departing Union Station will make all stops before ending at Bramalea GO arriving at 2:44 a.m. 
  • The 2:34 a.m. train departing Union Station will make all stops before ending at Mount Pleasant GO arriving at 3:28 a.m.  
  • The 4:34 a.m. train departing Union Station will make all stops before ending at Mount Pleasant GO arriving at 5:23 a.m.  
  • The 6:34 a.m. train departing Union Station will make all stops before ending at Mount Pleasant GO arriving at 7:23 a.m. 

Lakeshore East departures towards Union Station:

  • The 6:55 p.m. train departing Durham College Oshawa GO will make all stops before ending at Union Station at 7:57 p.m.  
  • The 7:55 p.m. train departing Durham College Oshawa GO will make all stops before ending at Union Station at 8:57 p.m.  
  • The 8:55 p.m. train departing Durham College Oshawa GO will make all stops before ending at Union Station at 9:57 p.m.  
  • The 9:25 p.m. train departing Durham College Oshawa GO will make all stops before ending at Union Station at 10:27 p.m.  
  • The 9:55 p.m. train departing Durham College Oshawa GO will make all stops before ending at Union Station at 10:57 p.m.  
  • The 11:39 p.m. train departing Durham College Oshawa GO will make all stops before ending at Union Station at 12:41 a.m.  

Lakeshore East departures from Union Station:

  • The 11:50 p.m. and 12:20 a.m. trains will be cancelled.  
  • The 12:35 a.m. train departing Union Station will make all stops before arriving at Durham College Oshawa GO at 1:42 a.m.  
  • The 12:50 a.m. train departing Union Station will make all stops before arriving at Durham College Oshawa GO at 1:57 a.m.  
  • The 1:20 a.m. train departing Union Station will make all stops before arriving at Durham College Oshawa GO at 2:27 a.m.  
  • The 1:50 a.m. train departing Union Station will make all stops before arriving at Durham College Oshawa GO at 2:57 a.m.  
  • The 2:20 a.m. train departing Union Station will make all stops before arriving at Durham College Oshawa GO at 3:27 a.m.   
  • The 3:20 a.m. train departing Union Station will make all stops before arriving at Durham College Oshawa GO at 4:22 a.m.  
  • The 5:20 a.m. train departing Union Station will make all stops before arriving at Durham College Oshawa GO at 6:22 a.m.  
  • The 7:20 a.m. train departing Union Station will make all stops before arriving at Durham College Oshawa GO at 8:22 a.m. 

Richmond Hill line departure to Union Station:

  • The 7:25 p.m. train departing Bloomington GO will make all stops before arriving at Union Station at 8:35 p.m. 

Richmond Hill line departures from Union Station:

  • The 5:15 p.m. train departing Union Station will be cancelled and replaced with an earlier train departing Union Station at 2:45 p.m., making all stops before arriving at Bloomington GO at 3:51 p.m.  
  • The 6:45 p.m. train departing Union Station will be cancelled and replaced with a later train departing Union Station at 1:15 a.m., making all stops before arriving at Bloomington GO at 2:21 a.m. 

Stouffville line departure from Union Station:

  • The 11:12 p.m. and 12:12 a.m. trains will be cancelled. 
  • The 1:12 a.m. train departing Union Station will make all stops before arriving at Mount Joy GO at 2:10 a.m.  
  • The 2:42 a.m. train departing Union Station will make all stops before arriving at Old Elm GO at 3:54 a.m.  
  • The 4:12 a.m. train departing Union Station will make all stops before arriving at Old Elm GO at 5:24 a.m. 

Final comments:

Lakeshore West and East lines will be operating all night for another New Years Eve maintaining 30 minute frequency from just after midnight until approximately 2 AM. Running hourly before the remaining departures at a frequency of around every 2 hours at around 3 AM until the regular Saturday schedule resumes. 

Kitchener also operating into the early morning hours starting with the 2:34 AM departure from Union Station and the final departure at 6:34 AM before resuming regular schedule at 8:51 AM.

The handover to Onxpress has been postponed and Alstom will continue to operate beyond January 1st due to certain elements not being ready for the handover of operations.

TTC Guy

TTC Guy

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10 hours ago, GTAmissions1 said:

The handover to Onxpress has been postponed and Alstom will continue to operate beyond January 1st due to certain elements not being ready for the handover of operations.

Everything made sense until this, would someone be able to fill me in?

Ed T.

Ed T.

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Having spent a really boring hour+ at Hamilton GO* after dropped off by the bus, I guess if I go for a free transit gallivant on New Year's Eve, I might stick to the Lakeshore E and W line. At least I can easily get back to Long Branch station.

It's tempting to try to go to Barrie or Kitchener, but the return would be a pain. I'm sure I could get to the airport or Union, but then there's more travel to get back to Long Branch.

*Any New Year's Eve festivities in the area of Hamilton GO were so low key as to be basically non-existent.

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Articulated

Articulated

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How far has GO gotten with refurbishing the BiLevel coaches? Just saw 2640 and 2647 in the Metrolinx colours, which suggests to me that they are well into the Series VII coaches.

New Flyer

New Flyer

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51 minutes ago, Articulated said:

How far has GO gotten with refurbishing the BiLevel coaches? Just saw 2640 and 2647 in the Metrolinx colours, which suggests to me that they are well into the Series VII coaches.

Most coaches from the second and third series are not repainted. Almost all in the first are. 2005 has the new colours on the inside, not sure about others. Rode 2242 two days ago and it’s not refurbished inside or out.

T3G

T3G

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55 minutes ago, Articulated said:

How far has GO gotten with refurbishing the BiLevel coaches? Just saw 2640 and 2647 in the Metrolinx colours, which suggests to me that they are well into the Series VII coaches.

There was a tender that MX put out a couple of years ago for repainting a large amount of coaches. I assume this is that coming home to roost. Every 26xx I've been on recently has had its original interior, and there was a low numbered 2500 accessibility coach in the MX colours that I rode last night that still had its original, devastated looking seats.

As far as I know it is the Series II cars that are being worked on right now, as well as the rest of the deactivated cab cars. Given the vapourware that is GO expansion, only God knows when we'll see any of them though. 

5 minutes ago, New Flyer said:

Most coaches from the second and third series are not repainted. Almost all in the first are. 2005 has the new colours on the inside, not sure about others. Rode 2242 two days ago and it’s not refurbished inside or out.

All the first series coaches were refurbished by late 2018-early 2019.

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G.A

G.A

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51 minutes ago, Lex Reid said:

Some Bus Fleet Updates,

2432 is retired converted to a Training Bus, and 4000/4001 E Buses are also retired.

I'm not surprised about those two. I assume the decision was very recent.

Chris W

Chris W

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16 hours ago, Lex Reid said:

Some Bus Fleet Updates,

2432 is retired converted to a Training Bus, and 4000/4001 E Buses are also retired.

It's not surprising that they retired the E500EVs. They barely saw service at the best of times. I was really only able to see both units on the road once, on their first day. I'm curious what is going to happen to them and if the Proterra bankruptcy indirectly led to their retirement.

WoodbineSecondExit

WoodbineSecondExit

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1 hour ago, GTAmissions1 said:

The Ontario government is spending almost $500 million dollars to refurbish 181 coaches to extend the lifespan by another 20 years. 

Refurbishment will take place at the Alstom plant in Thunder Bay.

https://news.ontario.ca/en/release/1005589/ontario-investing-in-go-transit-bi-level-rail-coaches

I don't know the age of the bi-level fleet and how many are near retirement but is this necessary if they are going to EMU operation on their self-owned lines in 10 years?

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Articulated

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6 hours ago, WoodbineSecondExit said:

I don't know the age of the bi-level fleet and how many are near retirement but is this necessary if they are going to EMU operation on their self-owned lines in 10 years?

Railcars need to be refurbished about every 20-25 years, but can keep going so long as you maintain them. For example, VIA's long-distance Budd coaches were built in the mid-1950s. GO's first BiLevel coaches were built in 1975, and have undergone two rounds of refurbishments.

There are no concrete plans for the electrification of GO's network currently. Everything seems up in the air with GO/IO attempting to rely on a P3-like process by having a private company determine the needs for the system. Either way, the last time I heard much about electrification, the idea was to only electrify the "core" parts of the system that would operate Regional Express Rail scheme, while diesel trains would continue to operate express trips (where they need to accelerate fewer times, or at least can maintain speed over longer distances) and trains to the outer ends of the branch lines past the end of electrification. This was like a decade ago though, so plans are likely to have changed to suit the contractor.

MRD10

MRD10

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5 hours ago, Articulated said:

There are no concrete plans for the electrification of GO's network currently. Everything seems up in the air with GO/IO attempting to rely on a P3-like process by having a private company determine the needs for the system. Either way, the last time I heard much about electrification, the idea was to only electrify the "core" parts of the system that would operate Regional Express Rail scheme, while diesel trains would continue to operate express trips (where they need to accelerate fewer times, or at least can maintain speed over longer distances) and trains to the outer ends of the branch lines past the end of electrification. This was like a decade ago though, so plans are likely to have changed to suit the contractor.

The electrification program is constrained because of the historical sheds at Union Station. This is leading GO to explore other propulsion technologies until they can come to a final solution.

nfitz

nfitz

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8 hours ago, Articulated said:

Railcars need to be refurbished about every 20-25 years, but can keep going so long as you maintain them. For example, VIA's long-distance Budd coaches were built in the mid-1950s. GO's first BiLevel coaches were built in 1975, and have undergone two rounds of refurbishments.

There are no concrete plans for the electrification of GO's network currently. Everything seems up in the air with GO/IO attempting to rely on a P3-like process by having a private company determine the needs for the system. Either way, the last time I heard much about electrification, the idea was to only electrify the "core" parts of the system that would operate Regional Express Rail scheme, while diesel trains would continue to operate express trips (where they need to accelerate fewer times, or at least can maintain speed over longer distances) and trains to the outer ends of the branch lines past the end of electrification. This was like a decade ago though, so plans are likely to have changed to suit the contractor.

I'd assume given the timing, that now that the contractor would have provided significant input, that these cars are going to be required. And will be operated with the electric locomotives.

What I'd guess though, is there won't be new cars, and that's where we'll start seeing EMUs. Though with the much shorter trains (on Lakeshore at least), I wonder how many cars they'll need compared to currently.

Articulated

Articulated

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2 hours ago, nfitz said:

I'd assume given the timing, that now that the contractor would have provided significant input, that these cars are going to be required. And will be operated with the electric locomotives.

What I'd guess though, is there won't be new cars, and that's where we'll start seeing EMUs. Though with the much shorter trains (on Lakeshore at least), I wonder how many cars they'll need compared to currently.

I think part of my point above (albeit unstated) is that new equipment is a long ways away from arriving (likely at least 10 years at this point). In the meantime, the existing diesel locomotives and BiLevel coaches need to be maintained to continue supporting the current service levels, so they will need to undergo their planned 20/25 year refurbishment. They may even last longer than that, if the previous plan for a mixed diesel/electric fleet is maintained.

GTAmissions1

GTAmissions1

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3 minutes ago, Mark Walton said:

Which ones?

No unit numbers were given other than the total quantity of coaches looking to be refurbished to keep them in-service long enough until the future of new rolling stock can be chosen depending on what will be compatible. 

Extending by another 20 years should buy enough time until the future of service delivery can be chosen. 

leylandvictory2

leylandvictory2

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22 hours ago, DigitalizedPain said:

What's gonna be happening to the Electric buses (4000-4001) now ever since they retired from testing services? Are they going to return them from where they came from?

most likely stripped for parts

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G.A

G.A

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On 1/18/2025 at 8:30 PM, DigitalizedPain said:

What's gonna be happening to the Electric buses (4000-4001) now ever since they retired from testing services? Are they going to return them from where they came from?

Either going back to ADL or scrapped. I wonder if they can be converted to hybrid or just straight diesel.

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