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Was GO even considering increasing to 30 minute midday and weekend frequency on routes 12 and 19 as examples?

And were the 41 and 56 part of the bigger GO bus network expansion plan and did it include those routes weekend service?

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18 hours ago, brianc1981 said:

Before the pandemic, Go was supposed to introduce a multitude of changes. Those changes were 5 of the 7 train lines were going to operate 7 days a week. More trains running the full length of routes, including hourly to Barrie with a couple delays waiting for trains to pass in certain areas. 2 hours to Kitchener hourly to Georgetown, and 30 minutes going to Bramalea. Basically a train on the Kitchener line would leave union every 30 minutes. One to Bramalea, one to Georgetown, one to Bramalea and then one to Kitchener. Stoufville would operate to mount joy or Linconville every hour. The plan was going to then reduce bus service on those corridors, and coordinate with local transit routes to improve local service to connect to the trains.

These plans all still exist.

 

But to say that they were "supposed to introduce a multitude of changes" as it was imminent? No. In this case, the COVID-based lockdowns haven't delayed anything (whether ridership rebounds to previous levels is another question altogether).

 

That level of service will eventually happen at some unknown time in the future, but first off a LOT of new track needs to be built to allow it. And while they're working on it now, it is still several years before the majority of it will be ready.


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3 hours ago, smallspy said:

These plans all still exist.

 

But to say that they were "supposed to introduce a multitude of changes" as it was imminent? No. In this case, the COVID-based lockdowns haven't delayed anything (whether ridership rebounds to previous levels is another question altogether).

 

That level of service will eventually happen at some unknown time in the future, but first off a LOT of new track needs to be built to allow it. And while they're working on it now, it is still several years before the majority of it will be ready.


Dan

The plans were supposed to come into effect Sept 2020, then there were also plans that over the next 5 years there would be more expansions, regarding train service and frequencies. The train frequencies were supposed to be upped to 15 minutes on 5 lines by 2025 but for the most part the lines were going to go 30-60 as of Sept 2020. It was going to be the largest expansion in GO history. They even had started to do more hiring and training. In the first 3 months of 2020 there were 50 people training to be CSA's and then a bunch of CSA's were moving up to Conductor, and Conductors were going to move to Engineer. The plan was by September there were going to be about 60 new Conductors and Engineers and about 60 to 70 CSA's. This was meant to be Doug Fords way of saying he is great, he is good, and we need more years of Doug because he is delivering more transit and he is speeding up the timelines that the previous government had promised. 

One of the plans for future expansion was to look into new train lines that could run through the GTA with the possibility of some trains not running through Union but still operating through Toronto or just across Peel, York and Durham regions. The goal of GO over the next 5 years was to look at ways to move people through the region but with trains not connecting everyone to Union, as it is evident that people travel east-west and do not go downtown. 

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On 5/17/2021 at 3:23 PM, brianc1981 said:

Before the pandemic, Go was supposed to introduce a multitude of changes. Those changes were 5 of the 7 train lines were going to operate 7 days a week. More trains running the full length of routes, including hourly to Barrie with a couple delays waiting for trains to pass in certain areas. 2 hours to Kitchener hourly to Georgetown, and 30 minutes going to Bramalea. Basically a train on the Kitchener line would leave union every 30 minutes. One to Bramalea, one to Georgetown, one to Bramalea and then one to Kitchener. Stoufville would operate to mount joy or Linconville every hour. The plan was going to then reduce bus service on those corridors, and coordinate with local transit routes to improve local service to connect to the trains. 

The next big part of that plan was to extend bus service on several routes. There was talk of a new route that would connect Kitchener to London. Barrie was going to turn into a large hub and from there they would have a bus that would go to Collingwood, and to Owen Sound. There was also going to be 2 bus routes that would connect to Lindsay, one would go up to Orillia and down to Lindsay that way, the other was supposed to go down to Bradford and across to Lindsay then over to Peterborough. There was also going to be a bus operating from HWY 407 station to Peterborough with stops along the 407 at carpool lots. There was going to be a bus that was also going to operate to Lindsay from a Lakeshore East station, possibly Whitby or Oshawa. A new route was going to operate from Aldershot GO to Aberfoyle and Guelph. A new route was meant to operate from Brantford to Cambridge and possibly Kitchener. There was also supposed to be a boost of service in Orangeville. A route was going to operate from East Gwillimbury to Orangeville, and the Brampton to Orangeville route was going to run more often in both directions 7 days a week and every second trip was going to operate to Owen Sound. 

So that would be a summary of what could potentially be taken over from Greyhound. Megabus announced 4 day a week service (to start) to Ottawa. Just someone will need to take the Ottawa to Montreal service as that was very busy. I assume it will be megabus as well. As for London to Windsor I think GO would need to service that

I hope that there is better integration with other modes of transportation this time. 

And the Government should be the one regulating it. 

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21 hours ago, brianc1981 said:

The plans were supposed to come into effect Sept 2020, then there were also plans that over the next 5 years there would be more expansions, regarding train service and frequencies. The train frequencies were supposed to be upped to 15 minutes on 5 lines by 2025 but for the most part the lines were going to go 30-60 as of Sept 2020. It was going to be the largest expansion in GO history. They even had started to do more hiring and training. In the first 3 months of 2020 there were 50 people training to be CSA's and then a bunch of CSA's were moving up to Conductor, and Conductors were going to move to Engineer. The plan was by September there were going to be about 60 new Conductors and Engineers and about 60 to 70 CSA's. This was meant to be Doug Fords way of saying he is great, he is good, and we need more years of Doug because he is delivering more transit and he is speeding up the timelines that the previous government had promised. 

One of the plans for future expansion was to look into new train lines that could run through the GTA with the possibility of some trains not running through Union but still operating through Toronto or just across Peel, York and Durham regions. The goal of GO over the next 5 years was to look at ways to move people through the region but with trains not connecting everyone to Union, as it is evident that people travel east-west and do not go downtown. 

Before COVID hit there were plans for some increases in service in September, yes.

 

But hourly to Barrie? Every two hours to Kitchener? Hourly to Georgetown? No. There isn't enough track in place yet to run that level of service.

 

Again, those are most certainly long-term goals - but only once there is enough track to run the service. They're still a little bit away from it.

 

There was even a plan formulated over the summer to launch some new service this past October, in response to ridership improving slightly prior to the second wave, but that was kyboshed by the government only weeks before it was supposed to take effect. Those plans are still back-burner'd for now, but they're ready to dust them off at pretty short notice.

 

Dan

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Service changes effective July 10th:

Lakeshore West and East line restored to half hour frequency in all time periods. 

Bike coaches will be on trial for four weekends along with weekend train service on the Barrie Line restored with five trips on weekends/holidays. 68D trips that are scheduled to run will continue to run until the next service change in the Fall which will remove the trippers assuming that weekend train service isn't cancelled. 

Route 96 will be re-routed to service the Toronto Zoo on weekends from July 10th until Labour Day Monday. 

 

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I wonder if they are looking to contract out bus routes that they know would have low ridership that could be serviced by a smaller bus? Like for example a Peterborough to Lindsay route? Or Orangeville to Newmarket? something along those lines

 

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1 hour ago, brianc1981 said:

I wonder if they are looking to contract out bus routes that they know would have low ridership that could be serviced by a smaller bus? Like for example a Peterborough to Lindsay route? Or Orangeville to Newmarket? something along those lines

 

I was thinking that they could be looking to contract out routes that Greyhound previously took care of, vastly expanding GO’s spread but not expanding their employment and maintenance requirements.

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On 6/30/2021 at 4:23 PM, Megabus Rider said:

Go Transit looking into contracting out Bus Routes?

https://www.metrolinx.merx.com/public/solicitations/1857397141/abstract

That been part of the thinking of Metrolinx since 2007 based on the London UK model as well York Region. The idea has been that all systems under Metrolinx control and areas would use GO Transit uniforms and equipment like York Region, but routes would be contracted out from a single route to X numbers.  Quality of service would be under the cities/towns control.

Most riders don't care what colure the bus is or name so long it get them to where they want to go and when they want to travel.

I have said in the past that Metrolinx should be known as Southern Ontario Transit System covering an area from Windsor to Kingston by North Bay to the USA boarder.

This would allow intercity in this area that is missing these days with X offering long distance travel outside the area.

4531 was in Lambton yard yesterday along with a few 45XX on the Campa siding

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Since currently anything west of Brantford is only serviced by VIA and there are only 4 trips a day, it's kinda hard to get around. 

And Kitchener west to London. 

Maybe a bus service from Hamilton via Highway 6 to Guelph would make sense. 

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On 7/3/2021 at 3:49 PM, Ultimate said:

GO 8520 Pride Wrapped will be parked at Guildwood GO for the month of July for the beaches Jazz fest that is happening in the main lot.

I'm told the bus was not there yesterday.

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On 7/3/2021 at 6:33 PM, drum118 said:

That been part of the thinking of Metrolinx since 2007 based on the London UK model as well York Region. The idea has been that all systems under Metrolinx control and areas would use GO Transit uniforms and equipment like York Region, but routes would be contracted out from a single route to X numbers.  Quality of service would be under the cities/towns control.

The idea has been around far longer than 2007.

 

Hell, when GO started running buses in 1970, they were originally contracted out to two companies. They brought it in-house a couple of years later, once they realized that the bus service was a good idea.

 

Dan

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7 hours ago, smallspy said:

The idea has been around far longer than 2007.

 

Hell, when GO started running buses in 1970, they were originally contracted out to two companies. They brought it in-house a couple of years later, once they realized that the bus service was a good idea.

 

Dan

Before my time 

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One track on the Campa sub is complete and connected to the main line.  The other track needs some work yet. 

The industrial siding to the west of the cross overs got a dwarf signal, to enter the main line.  Is that going to be required going forward? Makes sense from a safety perspective. 

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So, as per the documents that can be purchased on MERX,

GO is looking to contract out operations of existing routes/corridors in these bundles for operators

1. 12 Niagara Falls

2. 15 McMaster

3. 37/38 Orangeville/Bolton

4. 70/81 Stouffville/PortPerry

5. 88 Peterborough

6. 20, 30/31 Milton, Kitchener

7. 61, 63,65,68 Richmond Hill, Barrie

8. 71 Stouffville

They’re looking at 4 operation models

1. Gross profit, where all service would be fully GO branded

2. Net profit, where service could be either Fully GO Branded or Co-Branded with operator branding and GO branding

3. Commercial Partnership, where service could be either Fully GO Branded or Co-Branded with operator branding and GO branding

4. Independent operation, no GO branding

There is an NDA on the MERX solicitation, therefore I will not dive deep into details, nor will I share any of the documents, they are available for purchase online for $40

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23 hours ago, smallspy said:

Then maybe you should do some reading before trying to proclaim yourself an expert?

 

Dan

Who said I was an expert as it wasn't me nor want to be one??.........................You on the other hand make yourself out as Mr. Know All..................Please keep on reading and researching for us since you seam to have the time.

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39 minutes ago, drum118 said:

Who said I was an expert as it wasn't me nor want to be one??.........................You on the other hand make yourself out as Mr. Know All..................Please keep on reading and researching for us since you seam to have the time.

"Better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt."

 

-Someone far smarter than I

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