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13 hours ago, nfitz said:

I seem to recall a discussion about a decade ago, that talked of the original system having (and I'm pulling the numbers out of my distant memory here - no guarantees) 15 mph switches, and first upgrading them to 30 mph, and then 45 mph. What are we at now?

45 mph on tangent, 25mph through diverging movements. Will still be 10mph through the trainshed.

 

13 hours ago, nfitz said:

Good to here there's improvements to come with the signalling ... though at the rate we are going, I'm going to be spending more time sat at Union, than actually travelling ... though perhaps one day Danforth (Main) to Exhibition will be more convenient by subway ...

In fairness, if Siemens hadn't been so remarkably incompetent with the original USRC resignalling contract it would have been operating for approaching two years now.

 

13 hours ago, nfitz said:

(I'll swear though the crawl from Cherry to Union isn't as bad as it used to be in the 1980s or even early 2000s ... perhaps time moves faster now, ... or I'm just more engrossed in my phone ...)

Nope, you're not wrong. They've raised the speed limits on the section of the track from Cherry to about Jarvis or so - that was done about 7 or 8 years ago now, as I recall. And they'll increase it further once the new signalling system goes live.

 

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1 hour ago, smallspy said:

Nope, you're not wrong. They've raised the speed limits on the section of the track from Cherry to about Jarvis or so - that was done about 7 or 8 years ago now, as I recall. And they'll increase it further once the new signalling system goes live.

Yeah, that sounds about right. Maybe that explains what I couldn't understand many years ago ... the first change being track, and the second signalling ... I (likely wrongly) got the impression they were going to replace all the switches twice ... which just seemed odd.

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1 hour ago, John Oke said:

Fare evasion on GO has almost doubled from 3% to 5.5% 

More likely, that those who are poor enough that they aren't paying their fare, are more likely to have returned to transit usage, than those who own cars.

I doubt there are actually more dodging fares than pre-covid.

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5 hours ago, nfitz said:

More likely, that those who are poor enough that they aren't paying their fare, are more likely to have returned to transit usage, than those who own cars.

I doubt there are actually more dodging fares than pre-covid.

Since they got rid of the warnings for people who are caught without having paid their fares, wouldn't the resulting increase in fines offset the evaded fares?  Otherwise how are they detecting fare evasion other than through ticket inspections? 

I'd still prefer LIRR's ticketing system where inspections are done several times per trip and if you don't pre-pay your fare at the station you have the option of paying on board at a higher fare.  Convenience fee essentially. 

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I'm wondering if they could've taken the current GO 51 to Square One, with the exception of not serving 407 Terminal?

Is it that this us more of an Express option for this new route with fewer stops?

If this was a 7 day service route, perhaps students at UTSC abd Centennial College would be thrilled at a cross regional route without the need to transfer at 407 Terminal.

Just my two cents.

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6 hours ago, newflyerinvero said:

I'm wondering if they could've taken the current GO 51 to Square One, with the exception of not serving 407 Terminal?

Is it that this us more of an Express option for this new route with fewer stops?

If this was a 7 day service route, perhaps students at UTSC abd Centennial College would be thrilled at a cross regional route without the need to transfer at 407 Terminal.

Just my two cents.

The new 94 also does not use Highway 407, and the tolls associated with it. GO has been mostly avoiding using it since the start of the pandemic to save money, as traffic volumes on other highways/local roads have been low enough that schedules can still (mostly) be met.

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2 hours ago, Articulated said:

The new 94 also does not use Highway 407, and the tolls associated with it. GO has been mostly avoiding using it since the start of the pandemic to save money, as traffic volumes on other highways/local roads have been low enough that schedules can still (mostly) be met.

Yes I found out the hard way about that. I normally take the 29 and it goes on this big tour.

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https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2020/09/03/planned-go-train-facility-could-undermine-years-of-don-valley-restoration-efforts-conservationists-warn.html

If I understand this plan correctly, this plan is to use the CP rail line which is now owned by metronlix as storage.  

Why not use the lower Don yard or Wilson Yard(the yard just south of the east layover facilitiy)? There is a three track siding there now that is not in use. 

Plus eventually this route is supposed to be used for VIA's high speed line through Peterborough to Ottawa. (If it ever gets built).

Unless there is a plan to build a siding beside the existing tracks, that may work.  But there must be other places they could build a yard.  East of the current eastern storage yard, there is space for an additional track towards Danforth Station. Wouldn't that be easier?

 

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2 hours ago, Shaun said:

Plus eventually this route is supposed to be used for VIA's high speed line through Peterborough to Ottawa. (If it ever gets built).

 

The Plan for that is to use the Kingston Sub up to just past Eglinton then build new track to Smith's Falls via Peterborough. 

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14 hours ago, Shaun said:

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2020/09/03/planned-go-train-facility-could-undermine-years-of-don-valley-restoration-efforts-conservationists-warn.html

If I understand this plan correctly, this plan is to use the CP rail line which is now owned by metronlix as storage.  

Why not use the lower Don yard or Wilson Yard(the yard just south of the east layover facilitiy)? There is a three track siding there now that is not in use. 

Because they are already converting Wilson Yard to store GO trains and there won't be enough room for 3 more trains. Thus this facility.

 

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Plus eventually this route is supposed to be used for VIA's high speed line through Peterborough to Ottawa. (If it ever gets built).

Yeah, don't hold your breath on that.

 

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Unless there is a plan to build a siding beside the existing tracks, that may work.  But there must be other places they could build a yard.  East of the current eastern storage yard, there is space for an additional track towards Danforth Station. Wouldn't that be easier?

There isn't room on the north side of the Kingston Sub to store trains until you get out towards Scarborough Station. That's too far for here. By putting the storage facility on the north side, the hope is that the trains won't have to make as many crossing movements on their way in and out of Union, and thus clog up the tracks.

 

11 hours ago, John Oke said:

The Plan for that is to use the Kingston Sub up to just past Eglinton then build new track to Smith's Falls via Peterborough. 

There is so little publicly known about the "plan" that to suggest that they've announced a finalized singular route out of the City of Toronto is silly.

 

Dan

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10 hours ago, smallspy said:

Because they are already converting Wilson Yard to store GO trains and there won't be enough room for 3 more trains. Thus this facility.

 

Yeah, don't hold your breath on that.

 

There isn't room on the north side of the Kingston Sub to store trains until you get out towards Scarborough Station. That's too far for here. By putting the storage facility on the north side, the hope is that the trains won't have to make as many crossing movements on their way in and out of Union, and thus clog up the tracks.

 

There is so little publicly known about the "plan" that to suggest that they've announced a finalized singular route out of the City of Toronto is silly.

 

Dan

Where is the space to build a new track for that in Toronto? Won't it be using the CP right of way throughout the Agincourt yard?

Edit: is this line still connected to the CP Belleville sub?

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4 hours ago, Oc4526 said:

Found this on Metrolinx's Facebook page 

 

 

Aw, isn't that cute?  100% organic cotton.  How woke.  You know what, find me some inorganic cotton and then I'll be impressed.  Or maybe use Aroclor infused asbestos as a filter membrane and go for the whole better living through toxic chemistry thing like we're back in the good old 20th century.  No, I haven't had any coffee yet and it's showing.

On a more serious note.  I recall a conversation several years ago with someone at work about how Go is too Oakville centric.  I guess the proof of that guy's argument keeps on piling up.

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1 hour ago, Wayside Observer said:

On a more serious note.  I recall a conversation several years ago with someone at work about how Go is too Oakville centric.  I guess the proof of that guy's argument keeps on piling up.

How so? Not trying to be aggressive or anything. It is a major station and it is "international" in a sense. Lots of bus service too... 

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3 hours ago, Wayside Observer said:

Aw, isn't that cute?  100% organic cotton.  How woke.  You know what, find me some inorganic cotton and then I'll be impressed.  Or maybe use Aroclor infused asbestos as a filter membrane and go for the whole better living through toxic chemistry thing like we're back in the good old 20th century.  No, I haven't had any coffee yet and it's showing.

I've had an old H&S manual once from the makers of Aroclor, and it's perfectly safe ... they said if ingested, just drink milk.

I bet you oppose Organic Dry Cleaning as well! :)

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(this is real, and local, BTW - https://www.google.ca/maps/@43.649409,-79.3674653,3a,28.7y,206.23h,84.29t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sNoVtyPyogBs8LeewdCUgEg!2e0!5s20150901T000000!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en - not fully off-topic ... you can see the Lakeshore East/Stouffville/Richmond GO in the background)

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2 hours ago, Doppelkupplung said:

How so? Not trying to be aggressive or anything. It is a major station and it is "international" in a sense. Lots of bus service too... 

This was several years ago and I can't really ask because the guy has since retired but the thrust of it was that you look at the service patterns (since disrupted) to Oakville vs. further out, the amenities provided vs. the other stations, the palatial parking garage with three elevators vs. smaller ones that have one vs. the stations with no parking structure at all, etc., there were a few other items on the list but I don't remember them, and the impression he had was that Metrolinx was catering to the wealth and lobbying power present in Oakville.

Since then, having explored a bit of the train system on my own and seeing for myself, I can't really disagree those observations.  Piloting those face mask dispensers at Union station as the hub of the hub and spoke system makes sense, but as I said, the second machine out of two on the whole system landing at Oakville, not Oshawa, not Pickering, not Burlington, not Milton, not any of the other very busy stations, does add another piece of evidence in support of the guy's argument.  As I said, I can't really disagree based on what I see including this.

47 minutes ago, nfitz said:

I've had an old H&S manual once from the makers of Aroclor, and it's perfectly safe ... they said if ingested, just drink milk.

I bet you oppose Organic Dry Cleaning as well! :)

image.thumb.png.30679a9dbf66917bbcd443c75a17d395.png
(this is real, and local, BTW - https://www.google.ca/maps/@43.649409,-79.3674653,3a,28.7y,206.23h,84.29t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sNoVtyPyogBs8LeewdCUgEg!2e0!5s20150901T000000!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en - not fully off-topic ... you can see the Lakeshore East/Stouffville/Richmond GO in the background)

It was the "organic cotton" that got me as if there's any other kind.  Yeah, I'm not a fan of dry cleaning in general to be honest.  It's a requirement I try to avoid as much as possible when I'm buying clothes.  Aroclor, so much for that being harmless.  To be honest, many of the physical properties were fantastic which is why it got used in so many things but the unfortunate irony in it being nearly indestructible is also a major problem due to the issue of environmental persistence that aspect of it creates, which means once it gets out there, it doesn't decompose, and bioaccumulates which is why it's such a huge problem now that we know it's seriously toxic.  I wish I could take credit for coming up with that phrase, "Aroclor infused asbestos" but I can't.  It actually came out of a PCC service manual from the early 1940s that listed some high temperature rated cabling for some wiring runs in the controller and actually specified Aroclor infused asbestos insulation.  When I saw that one, I turned around pointed it out on the page of the book to three of my friends and said that if the asbestos isn't bad enough by itself, they soaked it in PCBs and made the "better living through toxic chemistry" quip which we all had a good laugh at, but yeah, we all agreed that gloves and masks are in order for handling this cabling if it's still present especially if it's crumbling and falling apart.  The good news is that most PCC cars out there still lasted long enough that they got overhauled several times and most of the old nasty stuff is gone.  The bad news is, not all of it is and you get cars that were retired early that still have a good amount of their original cabling intact which can be bad news for multiple reasons, not just the insulation materials that were in common use when they were made.

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On 9/10/2020 at 7:56 AM, Wayside Observer said:

Aw, isn't that cute?  100% organic cotton.  How woke.  You know what, find me some inorganic cotton and then I'll be impressed.  Or maybe use Aroclor infused asbestos as a filter membrane and go for the whole better living through toxic chemistry thing like we're back in the good old 20th century.  No, I haven't had any coffee yet and it's showing.

On a more serious note.  I recall a conversation several years ago with someone at work about how Go is too Oakville centric.  I guess the proof of that guy's argument keeps on piling up.

Squeaky, wealthy, politically connected wheel gets the grease.

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2 hours ago, Bus_Medic said:

Squeaky, wealthy, politically connected wheel gets the grease.

You betcha.  It’s not just any grease though, it’s the most expensive designer boutique exclusive grease there is.

I rolled through the moneyed paradise on my way to some essential services work I had to do during the peak of the panic in the spring and I saw a construction crew working on a traffic island in the intersection of Speers and Trafalgar right by the Go Train Palace.  On closer inspection, they were planting flowers in the planters at the height of the lockdown.  I was so glad to see that the important things needed to keep society running were being attended to because life in an upscale enclave such as this would cease to exist if the flower beds don’t get attended to.  The light changed and I took off before anybody could see my vulgar, rude Chevrolet and call in a report of someone with inadequate net worth driving through because I’m sure vagrancy is taken as seriously as the decorative planters.

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Hyperbolic humor aside, the contract was probably awarded months before the world went to shit, would’ve been money up in smoke to cancel it.

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On 9/12/2020 at 11:41 AM, Wayside Observer said:

You betcha.  It’s not just any grease though, it’s the most expensive designer boutique exclusive grease there is.

I rolled through the moneyed paradise on my way to some essential services work I had to do during the peak of the panic in the spring and I saw a construction crew working on a traffic island in the intersection of Speers and Trafalgar right by the Go Train Palace.  On closer inspection, they were planting flowers in the planters at the height of the lockdown.  I was so glad to see that the important things needed to keep society running were being attended to because life in an upscale enclave such as this would cease to exist if the flower beds don’t get attended to.  The light changed and I took off before anybody could see my vulgar, rude Chevrolet and call in a report of someone with inadequate net worth driving through because I’m sure vagrancy is taken as seriously as the decorative planters.

I know it's fun to be grumpy cat and all (like, how many followers does Reasonably Satisfied Cat get?). But I did drive past a pile of these planters along Lakeshore in Oakville, and they all display sponsor signs. So even though the crew may have been city workers, it's not some expense that's being taken away from your Hamilton GO service or anything.

The observation that wealthy and privileged neighbourhoods are nicer is, of course, no news. Even if the municipality is not necessarily paying for more services to them (ha!), residents there have the time and means to beautify areas that otherwise are left as garbage filled weed fields. I'm sitting in front of a privilege garden by Eatonville library right now, in fact.

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On 9/12/2020 at 1:56 PM, Bus_Medic said:

Hyperbolic humor aside, the contract was probably awarded months before the world went to shit, would’ve been money up in smoke to cancel it.

I was able to ask about this on Sunday since a friend's wife works for the town and:

-  It's all done in house

-  If the gardening isn't done satisfactorily, people complain severely which I guess goes back to your point of the squeaky wheel getting the grease.

1 hour ago, Ed T. said:

I know it's fun to be grumpy cat and all (like, how many followers does Reasonably Satisfied Cat get?). But I did drive past a pile of these planters along Lakeshore in Oakville, and they all display sponsor signs. So even though the crew may have been city workers, it's not some expense that's being taken away from your Hamilton GO service or anything.

The observation that wealthy and privileged neighbourhoods are nicer is, of course, no news. Even if the municipality is not necessarily paying for more services to them (ha!), residents there have the time and means to beautify areas that otherwise are left as garbage filled weed fields. I'm sitting in front of a privilege garden by Eatonville library right now, in fact.

-  I've seen and read the signs so a big shout out to "Sponsor Me" for kicking in some cash.

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Significant damage to signals east of Pickering. Service suspended for most of today (September 19th) between Pickering and Oshawa 

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3 hours ago, John Oke said:

Significant damage to signals east of Pickering. Service suspended for most of today (September 19th) between Pickering and Oshawa 

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What was the cause of the damage? Vandalism?

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14 minutes ago, Shaun said:

What was the cause of the damage? Vandalism?

They haven’t released anything yet, this happened in the overnight hours, there was an earlier police investigation which cleared. They just said there’s been “Severe damage to infrastructure affecting signals.”

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