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8 hours ago, ORION said:

He did do his own research. You’re just upset that you don’t have your facts straight...so calm down.

 

Yes apparently they are parked and out of service. I can’t remember the number I was told again but this batch are the starting to become very unreliable and expensive to maintain. They’ve decided to remove them from service pending official early retirement. I think with the COVID situation, they were able to park them sooner.

Most of these were not refurbished as well. Someone with more knowledge can  possibly give more in depth information. 

So these had a "early retirement". R.I.P.

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5 hours ago, Doppelkupplung said:

There was some talk of an all electric E500 at the factory in Vaughan; did anything end up coming out of that?

Two of them numbered 4000-4001 apparently, were delivered to the ADL factory in Vaughan awhile back. Unsure of any further details right now.

2 hours ago, Gamer Studios said:

So these had a "early retirement". R.I.P.

Nothing official yet, as mentioned... just parked for now and will not return to service at this point.

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South Blair Street and Victoria Street in Whitby, just to the west of the the Whitby rail maintenance facility 

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The 81XX series are parked for now as they are reducing service!  Reliability is another story.  A few had repaint on the 2nd batch due to paint quality issue!  Nothing I heard about official retirement as of yet, which again none of the 2nd batch are rebuild!  So for now, it's a waiting fate!

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On 3/6/2020 at 8:05 PM, 110B West Pickering said:

Prior to September 2019, the route officially used the 407/412/401. It made more sense. Post September 2019, I’ve only ever seen them use Thickson. Not sure why they chose a less efficient route.

Part of a toll road use reduction strategy that started in June of 2019 that affected many routes.

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On 5/5/2020 at 11:43 AM, ORION said:

Two of them numbered 4000-4001 apparently, were delivered to the ADL factory in Vaughan awhile back. Unsure of any further details right now.

Stumbled across this. Must be one of them judging by the lower rear cabin modification.

 

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1 hour ago, Doppelkupplung said:

Stumbled across this. Must be one of them judging by the lower rear cabin modification.

 

Correct! Also another access door below that last window.

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6 hours ago, ORION said:

Correct! Also another access door below that last window.

So the point is to provide more enclosed luggage? How many more are we waiting to be delivered?

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17 minutes ago, Genius101 said:

With 6 car trains operating, F59 locomotives are back for all day service on the Lakeshore East and West lines. 

Now I want to go spot one at the Henry Street Overpass beside Whitby Station

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The new Union Station Bus Terminal is complete! Go Transit is just testing the terminal roadways with their buses. It is expected that Greyhound Canada, Coach Canada's Megabus and Ontario Northland are to move into this new Terminal.

https://blog.metrolinx.com/2020/06/10/first-go-buses-enter-union-station-bus-terminal-as-part-of-testing-see-the-images-here/

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51 minutes ago, Megabus Rider said:

The new Union Station Bus Terminal is complete! Go Transit is just testing the terminal roadways with their buses. It is expected that Greyhound Canada, Coach Canada's Megabus and Ontario Northland are to move into this new Terminal.

https://blog.metrolinx.com/2020/06/10/first-go-buses-enter-union-station-bus-terminal-as-part-of-testing-see-the-images-here/

Yehey! I almost forgot about this. I wonder if we'll start seeing Go-Anywhere units downtown now...

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3 hours ago, Megabus Rider said:

The new Union Station Bus Terminal is complete! Go Transit is just testing the terminal roadways with their buses. It is expected that Greyhound Canada, Coach Canada's Megabus and Ontario Northland are to move into this new Terminal.

https://blog.metrolinx.com/2020/06/10/first-go-buses-enter-union-station-bus-terminal-as-part-of-testing-see-the-images-here/

It is going to be nice streamlining all intercity bus services (Go Transit, Greyhound, Megabus and Ontario Northland) in one place. Especially if attending an event at Scotiabank Arena or Rogers Centre, it is within walking distance. I have been to the Toronto Coach Terminal and it definitely has outlived the purpose.

Really looking forward to when the new Union Station Bus Terminal opens. More modern and weather protected. 

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17 hours ago, Megabus Rider said:

The new Union Station Bus Terminal is complete! Go Transit is just testing the terminal roadways with their buses. It is expected that Greyhound Canada, Coach Canada's Megabus and Ontario Northland are to move into this new Terminal.

https://blog.metrolinx.com/2020/06/10/first-go-buses-enter-union-station-bus-terminal-as-part-of-testing-see-the-images-here/

There is a hell of a lot more to do than just testing. Although to their credit, the opening of the facility is now in sight.

 

I'm not sure who you have been talking to, but there is no indication at this point that any of those agencies will be moving from the Toronto Coach Terminal anytime soon.

 

Dan

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5 hours ago, smallspy said:

There is a hell of a lot more to do than just testing. Although to their credit, the opening of the facility is now in sight.

 

I'm not sure who you have been talking to, but there is no indication at this point that any of those agencies will be moving from the Toronto Coach Terminal anytime soon.

 

Dan

http://www.ttc.ca/About_the_TTC/Commission_reports_and_information/Commission_meetings/2017/April_20/Reports/8_TCTI_Lease_Disposition.pdf

It seems even the TTC expects the Terminal to be vacated

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It only makes sense for them to switch terminals once completed, 610 Bay is in horrible shape in a customer service view. By closing 610 bay they can move operations to the USBT or even Yorkdale terminal which receives some trips currently and 407GO. The only factors I can see where they would not move in is either leasing spots ( is there even enough, how much for the spots ) and if the agencies even want to go in, MegaBus is known for curb side pickups even in large cities like Montreal and New York, Ontario Northland would likely save a lot of money starting and ending at 407GO and Greyhounds future is as always, undetermined 

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2 hours ago, ZümmyZüm said:

It only makes sense for them to switch terminals once completed, 610 Bay is in horrible shape in a customer service view. By closing 610 bay they can move operations to the USBT or even Yorkdale terminal which receives some trips currently and 407GO. The only factors I can see where they would not move in is either leasing spots ( is there even enough, how much for the spots ) and if the agencies even want to go in, MegaBus is known for curb side pickups even in large cities like Montreal and New York, Ontario Northland would likely save a lot of money starting and ending at 407GO and Greyhounds future is as always, undetermined 

If MegaBus did wind up serving the Hwy. 407 station it would give them an excuse to also serve Pearson, at the expense of any passengers who would prefer a downtown stop.  I know the idea was to try and consolidate the downtown bus terminals into one location, but 14 bays between GO and the intercity companies seems a bit tight at the onset.  All Day-Two Way service on the other rail lines was supposed to cut down on the need for GO buses.  Even if they were to split the levels by provider with GO on one level and intercity on another, 7 bays (assuming it's an even split, I've seen the details but don't recall them right now) is less than what the existing Coach Terminal has.

At the risk of seguing this topic, where would MegaBus even be able to stop curbside downtown if they didn't want to use the new bus terminal?

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51 minutes ago, Gil said:

If MegaBus did wind up serving the Hwy. 407 station it would give them an excuse to also serve Pearson, at the expense of any passengers who would prefer a downtown stop.  I know the idea was to try and consolidate the downtown bus terminals into one location, but 14 bays between GO and the intercity companies seems a bit tight at the onset.  All Day-Two Way service on the other rail lines was supposed to cut down on the need for GO buses.  Even if they were to split the levels by provider with GO on one level and intercity on another, 7 bays (assuming it's an even split, I've seen the details but don't recall them right now) is less than what the existing Coach Terminal has.

At the risk of seguing this topic, where would MegaBus even be able to stop curbside downtown if they didn't want to use the new bus terminal?

Infront of the Royal York is a good spot. Or at one of the subway stations along University Ave. 

I'm sure some hotels would allow them to pickup at the street including the Holiday Inn on Dundas.  

But using Yorkdale as a northern terminal would make sense but I dont think Vanhools can fit in the terminal.

Highway 407 station is a bit far north for Kingston runs.  

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2 hours ago, Shaun said:

Highway 407 station is a bit far north for Kingston runs.  

They could take the 407 to the 404, 412, 418 or even 135 south to the 401 if they wanted, but the tolls might be a deterrence. 

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2 hours ago, Shaun said:

Infront of the Royal York is a good spot. Or at one of the subway stations along University Ave. 

I'm sure some hotels would allow them to pickup at the street including the Holiday Inn on Dundas.  

But using Yorkdale as a northern terminal would make sense but I dont think Vanhools can fit in the terminal.

Highway 407 station is a bit far north for Kingston runs.  

I assume you mean the entrance on York St. at the Royal York?  Pre-pandemic that was already a busy spot with the various shuttle and tour buses along with the taxis.  There's already a lot of traffic on Front St. and I think they wouldn't take too kindly to having the buses at their front door as I doubt the two clientele have much in common.  As for stopping on the street, the few places I've seen that have laybys for motorcoaches (usually tour buses from out of town and not the sightseeing buses) are also used by people picking up a coffee or making deliveries which puts them at a premium.  Given the City's desire to have streets free-flowing especially during rush hour, I don't see them readily allowing MegaBus to serve on street stops for the extended amount of time required to get everyone on and off the buses considering Toronto is a terminus stop.

Even if Ontario Northland went to serving the Hwy. 407 station that still leaves a lot of other intercity traffic at the new bus terminal.  Greyhound's remaining service include Ottawa, London and points west and I believe its codeshare (I don't know if that aviation term can be applied to buses) service to NYC via other carriers like Adirondck Trailways serving cities between Niagara and Toronto.  There are also tour operators departing from the current Coach Terminal, will they be accommodated at the new bus terminal assuming things ever go back to normal?

The new Kipling station is also supposed to bring in 3 GO Transit routes.  No word on which ones, but I'm guessing possibly a branch of the 21 MILTON and the 29 GUELPH-MISSISSAUGA which used to run to Cooksville.  One of the 25 WATERLOO-MISSISSAUGA branches would also provide an additional connection into Toronto for those headed into Waterloo Region.  

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5 hours ago, Gil said:

I assume you mean the entrance on York St. at the Royal York?  Pre-pandemic that was already a busy spot with the various shuttle and tour buses along with the taxis.  There's already a lot of traffic on Front St. and I think they wouldn't take too kindly to having the buses at their front door as I doubt the two clientele have much in common.  As for stopping on the street, the few places I've seen that have laybys for motorcoaches (usually tour buses from out of town and not the sightseeing buses) are also used by people picking up a coffee or making deliveries which puts them at a premium.  Given the City's desire to have streets free-flowing especially during rush hour, I don't see them readily allowing MegaBus to serve on street stops for the extended amount of time required to get everyone on and off the buses considering Toronto is a terminus stop.

Even if Ontario Northland went to serving the Hwy. 407 station that still leaves a lot of other intercity traffic at the new bus terminal.  Greyhound's remaining service include Ottawa, London and points west and I believe its codeshare (I don't know if that aviation term can be applied to buses) service to NYC via other carriers like Adirondck Trailways serving cities between Niagara and Toronto.  There are also tour operators departing from the current Coach Terminal, will they be accommodated at the new bus terminal assuming things ever go back to normal?

The new Kipling station is also supposed to bring in 3 GO Transit routes.  No word on which ones, but I'm guessing possibly a branch of the 21 MILTON and the 29 GUELPH-MISSISSAUGA which used to run to Cooksville.  One of the 25 WATERLOO-MISSISSAUGA branches would also provide an additional connection into Toronto for those headed into Waterloo Region.  

Once upon a time in 2008, Greyhound and Megabus used the York Street curbside in front of the Royal York Hotel for their service to NYC. Few years later they both moved that stop to the Toronto Coach Terminal and all departures and arrivals have happened there ever since. However in the last few years, parking enforcement has ticketed buses there at random, including Greyhound when actively unloading. As long Toronto does not amend their Bylaws by moving towards a permit system similar to NYC and Boston where all buses must use a Terminal or be assigned and pay fees to do curbside pick up and drop off, or like DC where all drop offs and pick ups must be done at Union Station unless there is a designated Tour Bus loading and unloading zone, budget Tour operators will continue to use curbside to conduct their services.

It's not codeshare, it's interline agreements. Adirondack Trailways does not operate between Buffalo and Toronto, the Trailways units are wet leased to Greyhound Canada to operate between Buffalo and Toronto as per their pool or interline agreements. The only Tour Operator to operate out of the Toronto Coach Terminal is Gray Line. I am not sure if anybody took over JBC Coach Lines' Casino Rama shuttle run which started at the Coach Terminal but that would be the other Service. I would imagine if Tour Bus Operators wanted to rent a bay at the New Terminal, Metrolinx would allow it. Go Transit/Metrolinx rents bays at Yorkdale, Scarborough Town Centre and Finch Station Terminals to Angel Tours, and a bay at the 407 and Hurontario for Safeway Tours.

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18 hours ago, Megabus Rider said:

You realize that report was presented over 3 years ago, right? And what has happened since?

 

Eventually, yes. Once the right bid for the property comes up, the TTC will sell the property and (maybe) close the facility. (Or maybe not. That will be up to the new owners of the property.)

 

But that hasn't happened yet. And despite them trying to sell off 130 Elizabeth for several years now, there have been no takers.

 

Dan

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On 6/17/2020 at 9:59 AM, smallspy said:

You realize that report was presented over 3 years ago, right? And what has happened since?

 

Eventually, yes. Once the right bid for the property comes up, the TTC will sell the property and (maybe) close the facility. (Or maybe not. That will be up to the new owners of the property.)

 

But that hasn't happened yet. And despite them trying to sell off 130 Elizabeth for several years now, there have been no takers.

 

Dan

Let's see, the Terminal was being built and Metrolinx is waiting for the rest of the building to be built.

Yes, Elizabeth Street Terminal is Vacant but the roadway is being used. I am sure once the new terminal is ok for occupancy, an announcement will be made whether the Toronto Coach Terminal is occupied or vacant.

I am sure (if you're a home owner) new construction move-in dates are not really set in stone. We did have a pandemic, didn't we?

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The Coach Terminal is going to be redeveloped there's no question about it. It's just a matter of when; the city was looking to depose of the land as early as 2021 but that may change of course with Covid-19:

"610 Bay Street (and adjacent 130 Elizabeth Street) are City-owned assets under the operational management of TTC. The facilities are currently leased-out for the delivery of inter-city, inter-regional and inter-national bus services, which are expected to relocate to Union Station in 2021. As a result, 610 Bay Street and 130 Elizabeth Street are considered to be underutilized City assets with higher use potential to deliver City building outcomes, while respecting the heritage components of the site. " - Report from the Chief Executive Officer, CreateTO on ModernTO: City-Wide Real Estate Strategy and Office Portfolio Optimization

https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2019/ra/bgrd/backgroundfile-137925.pdf

The city wont have any trouble finding any takers for the property, as land is becoming increasingly scarce in the downtown core.

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29 minutes ago, lip said:

The Coach Terminal is going to be redeveloped there's no question about it. It's just a matter of when; the city was looking to depose of the land as early as 2021 but that may change of course with Covid-19:

"610 Bay Street (and adjacent 130 Elizabeth Street) are City-owned assets under the operational management of TTC. The facilities are currently leased-out for the delivery of inter-city, inter-regional and inter-national bus services, which are expected to relocate to Union Station in 2021. As a result, 610 Bay Street and 130 Elizabeth Street are considered to be underutilized City assets with higher use potential to deliver City building outcomes, while respecting the heritage components of the site. " - Report from the Chief Executive Officer, CreateTO on ModernTO: City-Wide Real Estate Strategy and Office Portfolio Optimization

https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2019/ra/bgrd/backgroundfile-137925.pdf

The city wont have any trouble finding any takers for the property, as land is becoming increasingly scarce in the downtown core.

You mean to move to the current union station bus terminal in 2021? Or the new one?

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