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2 hours ago, AmanKh said:

Spotted 2327 at Hamilton GO at 9:20 tonight.

Must be in decent condition if newer units have been axed already. Thanks for the spot. 

I suppose that’s the last one you’ll find in the old livery now.

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On 7/3/2019 at 12:26 AM, Doppelkupplung said:

Has anyone spotted 2327 recently? I just came across some 233xs online for sale. Some of them with super low mileage, one of them has under 300 (!). 

https://www.jdomotor.ca/vehicles/

Based on the VINs, 2343 (184 000 mi), 2333 (526 000 mi) and surprisingly, 2368 (767 000 mi) are the ones currently up for sale. The listing says 4 available, so clearly one has been sold already.

And I take it that 2327 is the oldest bus left?

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5 hours ago, TransitfanJW said:

Based on the VINs, 2343 (184 000 mi), 2333 (526 000 mi) and surprisingly, 2368 (767 000 mi) are the ones currently up for sale. The listing says 4 available, so clearly one has been sold already.

And I take it that 2327 is the oldest bus left?

2335 was also for sale on Kijiji.

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Someone should message them with the standard kijiji questions. Is this still available? I’ll pay you half what you are asking but I have cash today! I’ll trade you for a late 90s Nokia flip phone!

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20 hours ago, TransitfanJW said:

Based on the VINs, 2343 (184 000 mi), 2333 (526 000 mi) and surprisingly, 2368 (767 000 mi) are the ones currently up for sale. The listing says 4 available, so clearly one has been sold already.

And I take it that 2327 is the oldest bus left?

I haven’t heard about anyone seeing below 27, I certainly haven’t seen anything lower. I was quite amused to see it pull up as my bus early this morning after all this discussion though...

I miss the old 12 speeds....😔

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3 hours ago, newflyerinvero said:

Noticed that there will be additional GO train service to Exibition GO on Friday through to Sunday on multiple train lines.

What's the occasion?

 

Jehovah Witness Convention for 35,000, yet anything over that number doesn't get this type of service.............Go figure

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4 hours ago, drum118 said:

Jehovah Witness Convention for 35,000, yet anything over that number doesn't get this type of service.............Go figure

I wonder if the convention organizers paid for it? GO said it was due to "a large number of advance bookings" and other than the combined Via/GO package I don't know if there's even any other way to buy GO tickets this far in advance.

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51 minutes ago, wowzhao said:

.... I don't know if there's even any other way to buy GO tickets this far in advance.

There isn't.

 

There is a City department that specializes in dealing with large events such as conventions like this. In this case, because of how the members are being housed, they likely went to GO and warned them - and then GO made the decision to run the additional trains.

 

No different than the World Youth Day convention in 2002. There was a LOT of additional service that was run to various locations to deal with the crowds - even though there frequently were "only" 30 to 50 thousand people at a single event.


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It's clear where the Ford government wants to take transit in this province. 

They have their own agenda and people should be careful who they vote for in the federal election this year. 

A lot of those services are essential to the future growth of the system. 

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2 hours ago, York Transit said:

https://stevemunro.ca/2019/07/22/comfirm-or-deny-big-changes-coming-to-go-bus-service/

Mass GO Bus network dismantling and layoffs potentially coming.

This is crazy if true.

Are there big changes coming to the GO bus network? Absolutely.

 

Are they as drastic as what is being made out? Probably not.

 

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Trust me with Bozo the Clown in charge, I wouldnt rule out a big dismantling of service within the GO Network as a whole. With him anything is possible (including cuts to GO Train service along the busiest corridors).

Heck, I wouldnt even rule out Metrolinx selling off the rail corridors they've been buying over the years if they were ordered to by Ford. Yes all this sounds like fearmongering, but we're not talking about a normal person running the province here.

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I think at this point it’s fair to say that a pretty serious case of buyers remorse has set in, in Ontario, now.  Taking the hatchet to Go Transit is going to make Doug Ford’s popularity go from bad to worse in the vote rich 905 ridings that line to vote conservative.

If he’s that intent on losing the next election, could Doug just resign now and spare us the next three years of chaos and screwups please?

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8 hours ago, Wayside Observer said:

I think at this point it’s fair to say that a pretty serious case of buyers remorse has set in, in Ontario, now.  Taking the hatchet to Go Transit is going to make Doug Ford’s popularity go from bad to worse in the vote rich 905 ridings that line to vote conservative.

If he’s that intent on losing the next election, could Doug just resign now and spare us the next three years of chaos and screwups please?

I think that Andrew Sheer has more to worry about this coming election with these cuts, and that might be a good thing. 

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I don't know why people are so up in arms about GO bus cuts. The fact is there are not enough people that care enough about GO buses to make it a political priority until their service gets cut. If you read Jarrett Wright's humantransit blog, you would know transit planners have a fixed pot of money, and there are the competing demands between running profitable routes (like the UWaterloo to Square one bus) and running coverage service that are money losers like the Bolton bus. If there is going to be less subsidy coming from the province, then those money losers will be cut or in YRTs case, be converted to dial a rides. Think about it, if GO raises fares on the Bolton route and it still does not meet acceptable financial performance it will be cut. 

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The point you are missing is that you need service to build ridership.  Bolton is just outside of Brampton and without GO bus service there is no direct connection.

I think that the Niagara GO Train in the morning that carries an average of 7 people a day from Niagara Falls is even more a waste of money, and the fact that it takes forever to get to Union.  They should have waited till the service could be run properly before launching the service.  There are other routes such as the Kitchener line that could have made better use of those resources. 

The Barrie bus service is important because the plan is to have all day train service between Toronto and Barrie and having the bus builds the ridership for when the train goes all the way during off peak. 

It just seems like these cuts are politically motivated and not based on Ridership or future transit expansion. 

The Hamilton bus is extremely popular, why cut that route? It gets you there faster than the train does during off peak and evenings. 

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It's not really a fixed pot of money. There is a fixed pot of money for road repairs, but oops, the Gardiner needs a huge rebuild, here's a billion bucks we found under the couch.

I don't always agree with Jarrett Walker's posts and ideas. But the Bolton route is not a "coverage" route by Jarret's terms anyway. Jarrett figures you can cut meandering infrequent 'coverage' urban routes and let people walk a bit to a more frequent route. In the case of the Bolton route, you'd have quite the walk to the nearest high-frequency spine (like 501 Zum?).

Finally, there's pretty much no such thing as a "profitable" transit route.

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If you have driven to Bolton or Orangeville you will notice that there are a lot of new communities popping up and there is tons of future growth. 

It's like how they cut the Barrie GO train only to bring it back later. 

Two steps back, one step forward.

I'm sure that once a formal announcement is made, the mayor's of those cities won't be happy. And neither will be the constituents of those areas where those MPP's represent. 

 

 

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20 hours ago, erniewitt said:

I don't know why people are so up in arms about GO bus cuts. The fact is there are not enough people that care enough about GO buses to make it a political priority until their service gets cut. If you read Jarrett Wright's humantransit blog, you would know transit planners have a fixed pot of money, and there are the competing demands between running profitable routes (like the UWaterloo to Square one bus) and running coverage service that are money losers like the Bolton bus. If there is going to be less subsidy coming from the province, then those money losers will be cut or in YRTs case, be converted to dial a rides. Think about it, if GO raises fares on the Bolton route and it still does not meet acceptable financial performance it will be cut. 

Not looking for an issue, but pointing out that the person is Jarrett Walker.  Was interested in what he had to offer on his blog.

https://humantransit.org/

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