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On 4/12/2018 at 2:53 PM, markhamdevelopments said:

So you want the YRT to cut services at an alarming rate and create congestion on road?

"Create congestion" - oh please, we're talking about Markham here. What the current modal split for transit, 2%?

 

Let's get out of the hyperbole and start talking about real life here. YRT has a fixed budget that they can spend every year. This means that they may not have the ability to run mostly-empty buses on some routes just for fun. They'll have to make hard choices about where that service is operated - and if it means that they have to cut one bus from one route where the ridership is not great to add it to another where ridership is increasing rapidly, then that's the choice that they will make.

 

It's not a zero-sum game. Sometimes you have to rob from Peter to pay Paul. Hopefully in the long run service will increase on all routes, but considering how "hard" YRT seems to be battling for increasing ridership, for improving the transit modal share, and how much the Region seems to be "supporting" their funding requests, I for one won't be holding my breath.

 

I would have hoped that groups and boards like this would have had a better handle on that reality than the general public - after all, most of us are regularly around public transit, either by photographing and recording it, using it, operating it or maintaining that - but it's frankly shocking that after all these years of people like myself trying to point out these things that are frankly obvious that it still has not managed to sink in.

 

Dan

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23 hours ago, OC Transpo/STO Fan said:
On ‎2018‎-‎04‎-‎16 at 6:36 PM, markhamdevelopments said:

At least the rapidways help with ridership.

Could you explain why you think that? We need evidence.

I find it very interesting that the ITDP never gave Viva a score on its BRT Standard. The list on Wikipedia has only one Canadian entry (the OC Transpo Transitway), which is out of date due to its replacement with LRT. But it's not that the standard is outdated or no longer monitored - look at this case of a gold-rated BRT line in US, which opened late last year. Besides the all-electric buses and left-side boarding, what else does it have that cannot be comparable to Viva's rapidways?

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Howdy, all. I note that the YRT Trip Planner is showing route 20 stopping at the SmartCentres Place Bus Terminal but I see no indication online it has opened. Is the trip planner being approximate or overly hasty...?

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Balancing frequency and convenience (particularly for visitors), what is the best route from downtown Toronto to Vaughan Mills Mall? Does your view apply both for weekdays and weekends?

How about going to Canada’s Wonderland? ... GO from Yorkdale? 20 from VMC? 760 from Finch?

I lean to the 20 from VMC to both destinations for simplicity and directness... but I have reservations about  it— especially where it appears you have a long walk to the Wonderland gates...?

thanks, ed 

 

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4 hours ago, Ed Drass said:

Howdy, all. I note that the YRT Trip Planner is showing route 20 stopping at the SmartCentres Place Bus Terminal but I see no indication online it has opened. Is the trip planner being approximate or overly hasty...?

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Balancing frequency and convenience (particularly for visitors), what is the best route from downtown Toronto to Vaughan Mills Mall? Does your view apply both for weekdays and weekends?

How about going to Canada’s Wonderland? ... GO from Yorkdale? 20 from VMC? 760 from Finch?

I lean to the 20 from VMC to both destinations for simplicity and directness... but I have reservations about  it— especially where it appears you have a long walk to the Wonderland gates...?

thanks, ed 

 

SmartCenteres is not opened but they are using tempoary stop at Millway Avenue. The stops 720x are got assigned stop name as smartcentre regardless its opening.

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23 hours ago, Ed Drass said:

Balancing frequency and convenience (particularly for visitors), what is the best route from downtown Toronto to Vaughan Mills Mall? Does your view apply both for weekdays and weekends?

How about going to Canada’s Wonderland? ... GO from Yorkdale? 20 from VMC? 760 from Finch?

I lean to the 20 from VMC to both destinations for simplicity and directness... but I have reservations about  it— especially where it appears you have a long walk to the Wonderland gates...?

The walk to the Wonderland gates will be at least 300 metres whichever service you use. From the terminal, it's along a sidewalk, but from Jane Street, it's through a very active parking lot. It also appears the weekend frequencies of the 20 and 760 are comparable, though the 760 does not run during the week.

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23 hours ago, Ed Drass said:

Howdy, all. I note that the YRT Trip Planner is showing route 20 stopping at the SmartCentres Place Bus Terminal but I see no indication online it has opened. Is the trip planner being approximate or overly hasty...?

14763957-18E8-42DC-B8ED-AC0E85EFB11D.png

Balancing frequency and convenience (particularly for visitors), what is the best route from downtown Toronto to Vaughan Mills Mall? Does your view apply both for weekdays and weekends?

How about going to Canada’s Wonderland? ... GO from Yorkdale? 20 from VMC? 760 from Finch?

I lean to the 20 from VMC to both destinations for simplicity and directness... but I have reservations about  it— especially where it appears you have a long walk to the Wonderland gates...?

thanks, ed 

 

Regarding using route 20 to Canada's Wonderland, the stop at Norwood / Jane is the closest to the park entrance. Measuring the distance on Google Earth, the distance from that stop to the entrance is actually slightly shorter than the walk from Wonderland Terminal to the entrance. Personally I prefer the 20 over the 760 as the former runs more frequently and also is a shorter ride to the subway.

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YRT left out one detail from their service changes that take effect tomorrow. Route 90 Leslie will be transferred from Southeast to operate out of the BRT division as of the new board period. The reason for this is to allow for articulated buses to serve the route due to overcrowding.

The 25 Van Hool AG300 buses converted for conventional service will be split between Southwest and BRT garages, and some conventional 40 foot buses will also assigned to the BRT garage for operation during the off-peak (and because there aren't enough artics to handle full service on both routes 20 and 90). Units going to the BRT garage are still TBC, but they will mostly likely include all of the units that have not already seen service on route 20; the 40 foot buses are probably going to be Novas to match equipment already at BRT.

Viva buses have been operating as training buses along route 90 and 90B for the past two weeks, getting drivers familiarized to the routing (8201 posted below is an example of one). Baring any changeoffs, 571 and 577 will be the last Miller-operated buses on route 90.

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On 6/30/2018 at 10:58 AM, Articulated said:

 

The 25 Van Hool AG300 buses converted for conventional service will be split between Southwest and BRT garages, and some conventional 40 foot buses will also assigned to the BRT garage for operation during the off-peak (and because there aren't enough artics to handle full service on both routes 20 and 90). Units going to the BRT garage are still TBC, but they will mostly likely include all of the units that have not already seen service on route 20; the 40 foot buses are probably going to be Novas to match equipment already at BRT.

I thought S/W was a different contract operator than BRT, or has that been changed recently?

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7 hours ago, Token Dispenser said:

I thought S/W was a different contract operator than BRT, or has that been changed recently?

They are different contractors. SW division is contracted to Transdev, while BRT is contracted to TOK Transit.

The conventional buses assigned to BRT for route 90 service so far are 201, 203, 204, 206, 207, 210, 218, 221, 222, and 1501-1506.

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11 hours ago, Chris W said:

And they wonder why their ridership is down. It's stuff like this.

Don't be naive. This has always been the plan, since very early into the planning of the TYSSE. And there will be more announcements from the other transit systems as we get closer to the start of the school year.

 

Dan

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