BedardZ0754 Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 NEWS ON NEW BUSES: Aparently YRT will be converting 20 VIVA articulated buses to the YRT livery to be used on high capacity routes such as Jane and Leslie. The report linked says that these will primarily be Van Hool's, similar to the 40 foot ones that were converted a while back. This will be happening some time in 2018. As previously announced, YRT will also be piloting 6 battery electric buses in Newmarket (4 New Flyer, 2 Novabus). The charging stations will be installed at Newmarket Terminal. Additionally, YRT is also apparently piloting a hydrogen fuel cell bus sometime in 2018. The opening date for Cornell Terminal has also been pushed back to November 2018. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris W Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 Interesting that they are converting some of the Van Hool artics to conventional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Articulated Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 29 minutes ago, Chris W said: Interesting that they are converting some of the Van Hool artics to conventional. I've heard that rumour for a while, but it was mostly in relation to using them on express trips (due to not allowing standees on Highway 407). 20 Jane could use with a frequency boost instead of articulated buses, it's still only a 14-15 minute frequency during rush hours... The document specifies using artics on more than one corridor, but only Jane was pointed out as an example. New bus deliveries for 2018 include 35 conventional units and 25 Viva units. 30 of the conventional units are specified as replacement units; I suspect these will replace the 30 2005 E-Z Rider II buses. The Viva units should be artics, and will replace the 25 2005/06 AG300 units. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newflyerinvero Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 34 minutes ago, BedardZ0754 said: The opening date for Cornell Terminal has also been pushed back to November 2018. Ah, surprise, surprise. What's the issue here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transit geek Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 55 minutes ago, Chris W said: Interesting that they are converting some of the Van Hool artics to conventional. This will be a first for YRT, the use of artics on conventional routes. Probably meant to be a pilot or so; if successful, I would not be surprised to see new LFS artics being ordered for conventional rather than Viva routes. They could have some of the Viva-specific styling like frameless windows; that would make them easy to convert to and from Viva when needed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTAmissions1 Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 3 hours ago, Chris W said: Interesting that they are converting some of the Van Hool artics to conventional. Me too. I think they want to test the waters first before considering rapid transit service along Leslie and Jane. Knowing Viva Green in the current routing is a poor performer and only operating on peak periods. Where as in the beginning, it would operate regular service. Jane is proposed to be Viva Silver. Leslie to be Viva Green connecting the two at Major Mackenzie and Yonge and then one stop after in each direction. Viva Pink to be extended to McCowan instead of Unionville Station to replace Viva Green. 2 hours ago, Articulated said: New bus deliveries for 2018 include 35 conventional units and 25 Viva units. 30 of the conventional units are specified as replacement units; I suspect these will replace the 30 2005 E-Z Rider II buses. The Viva units should be artics, and will replace the 25 2005/06 AG300 units. The 2005/2006 AG300 units are showing their age and best replaced with new units that are more reliable. Knowing they are the workhorses on the rapid transit routes carrying the demand. Knowing the older buses from Viva are being shifted from conventional service to try and hold out long enough. Wonder if they will ever phase out the 40 ft regular buses. Though knowing that some routes such as Orange, Green and Yellow still depend on them since there isn't enough demand to support articulated buses and inefficient for such low usage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtrazsteve Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 6 hours ago, Articulated said: I've heard that rumour for a while, but it was mostly in relation to using them on express trips (due to not allowing standees on Highway 407). 20 Jane could use with a frequency boost instead of articulated buses, it's still only a 14-15 minute frequency during rush hours... The document specifies using artics on more than one corridor, but only Jane was pointed out as an example. This is what I don't get about the 905s. TTC will never put artics on a 15 min headway route as it's not the best way to attract riders. Even in Mississauga (the best of the 905s) can use more frequent services than artics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newflyerinvero Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 10 hours ago, Chris W said: Interesting that they are converting some of the Van Hool artics to conventional. Understanding that there are many more of the 2005 artics compared to the 07's and 08's, they'd probably look at the 05's first for conversion. One thing that immediately curious about is whether or not there would be Presto readers at each door for all door boarding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Articulated Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 20 hours ago, GTAmissions1 said: Me too. I think they want to test the waters first before considering rapid transit service along Leslie and Jane. Knowing Viva Green in the current routing is a poor performer and only operating on peak periods. Where as in the beginning, it would operate regular service. Jane is proposed to be Viva Silver. Leslie to be Viva Green connecting the two at Major Mackenzie and Yonge and then one stop after in each direction. Viva Pink to be extended to McCowan instead of Unionville Station to replace Viva Green. The 2005/2006 AG300 units are showing their age and best replaced with new units that are more reliable. Knowing they are the workhorses on the rapid transit routes carrying the demand. Knowing the older buses from Viva are being shifted from conventional service to try and hold out long enough. Wonder if they will ever phase out the 40 ft regular buses. Though knowing that some routes such as Orange, Green and Yellow still depend on them since there isn't enough demand to support articulated buses and inefficient for such low usage. Viva Green would have worked better but development in Markham Centre was much slower than anticipated. Now that development finally is occurring, travel patterns have shifted so demand is more for east-west service rather than north-south to the closest subway station. Right now demand is more oriented towards the business park in the Leslie/404 corridor, which is why Green is being shifted to run up Leslie instead. As the document stated, the AG300s are at their 12 year life expectancy, and need to be replaced. They have probably exceeded their design life with the high mileage and heavy pounding they took on Yonge Street. I'm surprised they are considering doing yet another major refurbishment the AG300s (for a 3rd time) to only get another 3 years out of them. And yes, 40 foot buses will be required for the near future on Viva. Green, Silver, and Yellow will definitely not require articulated units within the next 5 years (I can guarantee the A330s will need to be replaced in that time period). Pink should get artics very soon, and once the subway is open I can see Orange using some that were moved from Purple. 16 hours ago, Xtrazsteve said: This is what I don't get about the 905s. TTC will never put artics on a 15 min headway route as it's not the best way to attract riders. Even in Mississauga (the best of the 905s) can use more frequent services than artics. I do not understand it either... better frequency will attract more riders than larger buses. But fewer larger buses are cheaper to operate than more smaller buses, as the majority cost of operating a vehicle is the operator's salary. 12 hours ago, newflyerinvero said: Understanding that there are many more of the 2005 artics compared to the 07's and 08's, they'd probably look at the 05's first for conversion. One thing that immediately curious about is whether or not there would be Presto readers at each door for all door boarding? YRT does not do all-door boarding. The converted A330s only have Presto readers at the front doors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtrazsteve Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 I actually like the Van Hool buses. I feel they have larger windows and is brighter than Novas or even the new TTC streetcars. Probably because YRT/VIVA didn't buy them with openable windows that have a bar across it interfering with the sight. Nice to see them around longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris W Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 56 minutes ago, Xtrazsteve said: I actually like the Van Hool buses. I feel they have larger windows and is brighter than Novas or even the new TTC streetcars. Probably because YRT/VIVA didn't buy them with openable windows that have a bar across it interfering with the sight. Nice to see them around longer. They're okay, but the ride is at the best in front of the engine. Sitting in the trailer section is a bit like riding in a cutaway at times. It will be neat to see some in YRT conventional service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viva5113 Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 Toby Mark II has been entered service. This toby also has LED sign. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAverageJoe Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 5 hours ago, Viva5113 said: Toby Mark II has been entered service. This toby also has LED sign. Toby out of all name lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newflyerinvero Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 17 hours ago, Chris W said: They're okay, but the ride is at the best in front of the engine. Sitting in the trailer section is a bit like riding in a cutaway at times. It will be neat to see some in YRT conventional service. It feels as if you do'nt even know that there's even any propulsion happening. Just doesn't feel natural to me. 21 hours ago, Articulated said: YRT does not do all-door boarding. The converted A330s only have Presto readers at the front doors. While I was in Ottawa last year, I did notice that their D60LF®'s have Presto readers at all doors. That's why I asked if taht was a ossibility perhaps to speed up boarding. Although in saying that I don't believe the passenger loads are too high to warrant that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transit geek Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 18 hours ago, Chris W said: They're okay, but the ride is at the best in front of the engine. Sitting in the trailer section is a bit like riding in a cutaway at times. It will be neat to see some in YRT conventional service. The puller design is pretty rare nowadays; but these buses were made in Belgium, and even there, pushers have now become more and more common. Also, remember that the Orion III had the same design, which had its flaws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommike Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 who would they send the buses to make them yrt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris W Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 5 minutes ago, tommike said: who would they send the buses to make them yrt? I think it was MTB that handled the A330s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallspy Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 13 hours ago, Transit geek said: The puller design is pretty rare nowadays; but these buses were made in Belgium, and even there, pushers have now become more and more common. Also, remember that the Orion III had the same design, which had its flaws. The flaws with the Orion III had nothing to do with where the engine was located. In fact, the Orion III had several touches that made it easier to maintain than a lot of pusher-type artics. Dan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Bullock Posted September 11, 2017 Report Share Posted September 11, 2017 On 9/5/2017 at 9:47 PM, BedardZ0754 said: NEWS ON NEW BUSES: Aparently YRT will be converting 20 VIVA articulated buses to the YRT livery to be used on high capacity routes such as Jane and Leslie. The report linked says that these will primarily be Van Hool's, similar to the 40 foot ones that were converted a while back. This will be happening some time in 2018. All units to be operated by Southwest (which rules out the 90), will be used on the 20 for now. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viva5113 Posted September 11, 2017 Report Share Posted September 11, 2017 Route 20 is obiously confirmed to getting artics by my friends working for YRT HQ. Other routes that possibly could getting might be 77 or 101. (This is not a official) Like 5219, whith is prototype, 20 units from 52xx will be convert and transfer to southwest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaT Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 Quick question for you guys! in the wiki it lists the MCI-9s that YRT used to use. Now other than the pic in there already of it all white and not with YRT, and also of the buses in Vaughan Transit service, It also says that they were eventually in the swoosh livery for YRT, which I think is the one with the blue and yellow at the back of the bus. Are there any pics in existence of these highway coaches in this livery? If so Id love to see some if so! And yes Ive googled it and used the cptdb search. I can only find the pics on the wiki and the pics of them in Vaughan Service.(obvs other than GO transit service) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H4 5600 Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 21 hours ago, MaT said: Quick question for you guys! in the wiki it lists the MCI-9s that YRT used to use. Now other than the pic in there already of it all white and not with YRT, and also of the buses in Vaughan Transit service, It also says that they were eventually in the swoosh livery for YRT, which I think is the one with the blue and yellow at the back of the bus. Are there any pics in existence of these highway coaches in this livery? If so Id love to see some if so! And yes Ive googled it and used the cptdb search. I can only find the pics on the wiki and the pics of them in Vaughan Service.(obvs other than GO transit service) There is a pic of one in the swoosh livery on this website. http://www.angelfire.com/on4/ontario/yorkregion.html And a pic of one in the vaughan livery on this website. http://www.busdrawings.com/Transit/ontario/yrt/vaughan/mc9/index.htm 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newflyerinvero Posted September 13, 2017 Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 On 9/11/2017 at 4:01 PM, Viva5113 said: Route 20 is obiously confirmed to getting artics by my friends working for YRT HQ. Other routes that possibly could getting might be 77 or 101. (This is not a official) Like 5219, whith is prototype, 20 units from 52xx will be convert and transfer to southwest. Curious if those fleet numbers will be retained after conversion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cimon8000 Posted September 13, 2017 Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 On 9/5/2017 at 9:47 PM, BedardZ0754 said: NEWS ON NEW BUSES: Aparently YRT will be converting 20 VIVA articulated buses to the YRT livery to be used on high capacity routes such as Jane and Leslie. The report linked says that these will primarily be Van Hool's, similar to the 40 foot ones that were converted a while back. This will be happening some time in 2018. As previously announced, YRT will also be piloting 6 battery electric buses in Newmarket (4 New Flyer, 2 Novabus). The charging stations will be installed at Newmarket Terminal. Additionally, YRT is also apparently piloting a hydrogen fuel cell bus sometime in 2018. The opening date for Cornell Terminal has also been pushed back to November 2018. really wondering which 20 Vanhools will they pick, or randomly from 5201-5225, 7201-7205 and 8201 to 8211, or are they focusing picking 20 from the 5200's series? and absolutely a great news on the pilot electric bus program in York Region, way to go! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viva5113 Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 On 2017. 9. 13. at 9:39 AM, Cimon8000 said: really wondering which 20 Vanhools will they pick, or randomly from 5201-5225, 7201-7205 and 8201 to 8211, or are they focusing picking 20 from the 5200's series? and absolutely a great news on the pilot electric bus program in York Region, way to go! As 52xxs are about time to do its second refurbishments anyways, So I think they will mostly pick from 52xxs. 72xxs might also possible, but doubt 82xxs because they just went refurbishment two years ago. On 2017. 9. 13. at 12:52 AM, newflyerinvero said: Curious if those fleet numbers will be retained after conversion? No words about it, but looks like they might keep their fleet numbers, as they didin't got renumbering while refurbiment. (NOT OFFICIAL) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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