TTC in the news

[wil9402]

21 hours ago, TransitMotorcoach said:

An example of the zero enforcement is all the people openly and brazenly entering and exiting Kipling station on the bus roadway rather than the station entrances. TTC special constables don't do jack shit about it, not to mention how dangerous it is as well with the massive amount of bus traffic rolling through Kipling station. Hell, today, a TPS officer who happened to be present in his cruiser by the bus entrance had to enforce this, when it should be the special constables doing it regularly. 

That's a problem at every station, not just Kipling. I've even seen some brave people enter York Mills through the bus roadway. Some people are just too lazy to walk around to the entrance, or just don't know the rules, but they pay their fare when they board the bus in the terminal.

[T3G]

Some stations invite people to just walk in off the street with their poor design, like Eglinton. Why was there not a secondary entrance instituted at the Duplex exit? A walk to Yonge easily takes 5 minutes.

[T3G]

So the TTC is underfunded and unable to deliver adequate services, so you don’t pay for the service in the hope that money will drop out of the sky and make the service worth paying for?

 

Wow, our education system really is a joke. 

[Bus_Medic]

17 minutes ago, T3G said:

So the TTC is underfunded and unable to deliver adequate services, so you don’t pay for the service in the hope that money will drop out of the sky and make the service worth paying for?

 

Wow, our education system really is a joke. 

Hook, line and sinker. 

[Xtrazsteve]

Students try to rip the system off all the time. It wasn’t something special. These students would probably couldn’t use the system if they didn’t pull off these tricks so I wouldn’t say the TTC lost out but people were just inconvenienced.

Ticket splitting, throwing a large amount of change in the farebox less than fare amount, buying fake tickets, sneaking in the back and etc. It’s a common thing back then and it still is.

I doubt fare inspectors want to deal with kids, they don’t have any IDs usually and would run faster than them. Enforcement is just too costly that it’s cheaper to keep the status quo. As long as it doesn’t get any worse. 
 

Disclaimer, I don’t support fare evasion.

[FlyerD901]

Most drivers don't care if you don't pay the fare. If anything, I'm hearing rumors that drivers get disapline for enforcing even advising of the fare. It's well known that Rick Leary told Special Constables to stand down as well. And based on an alleged report, it's been said that Rick leary doesn't care if ppl pay, because ultimately the city will have to fund it regardless. 

Only ppl getting worked up are ppl that sre serious about they're tax money. I've seen ppl help others by holding the back door so others can get in for free. The driver can clearly see this. But the morale Is low. 

TTC has definitely changed from being militant with the fares back in the day. It's certainly different times were in. 

Most drivers don't care if you don't pay the fare. If anything, I'm hearing rumors that drivers get disapline for enforcing even advising of the fare. It's well known that Rick Leary told Special Constables to stand down as well. And based on an alleged report, it's been said that Rick leary doesn't care if ppl pay, because ultimately the city will have to fund it regardless. 

Only ppl getting worked up are ppl that sre serious about they're tax money. I've seen ppl help others by holding the back door so others can get in for free. The driver can clearly see this. But the morale Is low. 

TTC has definitely changed from being militant with the fares back in the day. It's certainly different times were in. 

If anything, as long TTC can prove usage in ridership and not care about the fares , they're good. 

TTC is such a lost cause, it's like there on borrowed time. I wonder if Metrolink will ever upload TTC. I know they wanted the subway system, I can see them revisiting the issue. 

[raptorjays]

Rick Leary (CEO of the TTC) and Phil Verster (CEO of the Metrolinx) are two corrupt hypocrite cockroaches absolutely ruining the transit of Toronto and the GTA.

And they got massive pay bump for fuckin nothing. 

 

 

52 minutes ago, FlyerD901 said:

Most drivers don't care if you don't pay the fare. If anything, I'm hearing rumors that drivers get disapline for enforcing even advising of the fare. It's well known that Rick Leary told Special Constables to stand down as well. And based on an alleged report, it's been said that Rick leary doesn't care if ppl pay, because ultimately the city will have to fund it regardless. 

Only ppl getting worked up are ppl that sre serious about they're tax money. I've seen ppl help others by holding the back door so others can get in for free. The driver can clearly see this. But the morale Is low. 

TTC has definitely changed from being militant with the fares back in the day. It's certainly different times were in. 

Most drivers don't care if you don't pay the fare. If anything, I'm hearing rumors that drivers get disapline for enforcing even advising of the fare. It's well known that Rick Leary told Special Constables to stand down as well. And based on an alleged report, it's been said that Rick leary doesn't care if ppl pay, because ultimately the city will have to fund it regardless. 

Only ppl getting worked up are ppl that sre serious about they're tax money. I've seen ppl help others by holding the back door so others can get in for free. The driver can clearly see this. But the morale Is low. 

TTC has definitely changed from being militant with the fares back in the day. It's certainly different times were in. 

If anything, as long TTC can prove usage in ridership and not care about the fares , they're good. 

TTC is such a lost cause, it's like there on borrowed time. I wonder if Metrolink will ever upload TTC. I know they wanted the subway system, I can see them revisiting the issue. 

 

[FlyerD901]

55 minutes ago, raptorjays said:

Rick Leary (CEO of the TTC) and Phil Verster (CEO of the Metrolinx) are two corrupt hypocrite cockroaches absolutely ruining the transit of Toronto and the GTA.

And they got massive pay bump for fuckin nothing. 

 

 

As much as ppl get angry at this. There's always someone else approving this. So don't take it at face value. There's others behind this as well. And too be honest, with the exception of transit enthusiast, ppl don't really care or pay attention. So they might as well milk it for their own sake.

Usually GM/CEO last 5 years, and this should be Rick Leary 5th year. Well see if he decides to leave by the end of this year, or the rumored , chooses to go back to MBTA. 

[FlyerD901]

3 hours ago, TTCFareEvader said:

Yes I won’t.

 

too much homeless people, someone jumps on the tracks everyday. Scarborough RT is always delayed. Buses are late. Drivers are doing whatever they want sometimes stopping at a McDonald’s and telling us he’s gonna be “right back” and be gone for 5 minutes. 
 

it’s all bs. They get so much funding but it’s all going into the executives pocket. No wonder we still have stupid old buses when I take 80 queensway and old trains on bloor danforth. It’s a mess it’s corrupt. Not paying. My money would go to the pockets of the rich anyway, not to improve the system 

I definitely understand your frustration. Ppl here will defend TTC. But you can't defend a company that's broken as an organization from the inside. Politicans are definitely a reason behind TTCs woes. Obviously I wouldn't encourage you not  paying your fare, but I won't act like i don't share your fustration with TTC. And if the company doesn't care, might as well take advantage. Even if it results in the downfall of TTC, it's TTC that needs to be blamed for not acting on these issues. Creating ppl to feel not to pay their fare, and what ever else they do. It may sound entitled, but it's legit fustration. 

[Doppelkupplung]

6 minutes ago, TTCFareEvader said:

TTC does not even deserve fares. They get so much funding every year

Where do you think most of that funding comes from, genius?

Stay in school mate, you'll need everything you can get. 

[MCIBUS]

Not sure about the percentage for the TTC, but for OC iI believe the majority for funding comes from fares.

[Doppelkupplung]

2 minutes ago, MCIBUS said:

Not sure about the percentage for the TTC, but for OC iI believe the majority for funding comes from fares.

Same for TTC.

[T3G]

4 hours ago, TTCFareEvader said:

Yes I won’t.

 

too much homeless people, someone jumps on the tracks everyday. Scarborough RT is always delayed. Buses are late. Drivers are doing whatever they want sometimes stopping at a McDonald’s and telling us he’s gonna be “right back” and be gone for 5 minutes. 
 

it’s all bs. They get so much funding but it’s all going into the executives pocket. No wonder we still have stupid old buses when I take 80 queensway and old trains on bloor danforth. It’s a mess it’s corrupt. Not paying. My money would go to the pockets of the rich anyway, not to improve the system 

You are hilariously delusional.

 

Just what do you think will happen if you don't pay? That the TTC will have a come to Jesus moment and magic up some money to make everything all fresh and new? You are only shooting yourself in the foot. 

why should the TTC care what someone who doesn’t pay for the system thinks about them anyway? You have no financial skin in the game, you’re just mooching off other people’s hardearned cash. Just like how stores don’t care what thieves think of their services, there is zero reason why the TTC should give the slightest of shits what you, a non stakeholder who steals from them every day, thinks about their services. You get and are entitled to what you pay for.

You deserve every single old vehicle you get.

 

[Doppelkupplung]

6 minutes ago, T3G said:

You are hilariously delusional.

 

Just what do you think will happen if you don't pay? That the TTC will have a come to Jesus moment and magic up some money to make everything all fresh and new? You are only shooting yourself in the foot. 

why should the TTC care what someone who doesn’t pay for the system thinks about them anyway? You have no financial skin in the game, you’re just mooching off other people’s hardearned cash. Just like how stores don’t care what thieves think of their services, there is zero reason why the TTC should give the slightest of shits what you, a non stakeholder who steals from them every day, thinks about their services. You get and are entitled to what you pay for.

You deserve every single old vehicle you get.

 

Though I guess if we all stopped paying we'd have enough to fund his and his buddies' Timmies expenses. 

[ZümmyZüm]

6 hours ago, TTCFareEvader said:

No wonder we still have stupid old buses when I take 80 queensway and old trains on bloor danforth.

Ohhh it’s you. Enjoy your old Orions and hand me down LFS’

[Doppelkupplung]

27 minutes ago, ZümmyZüm said:

Ohhh it’s you. Enjoy your old Orions and hand me down LFS’

Ahhhhhh shiiiiiii

[lip]

6 hours ago, FlyerD901 said:

Usually GM/CEO last 5 years, and this should be Rick Leary 5th year. Well see if he decides to leave by the end of this year, or the rumored , chooses to go back to MBTA. 

Rick Leary is way past his expiry date and he's easily one of the worst (if not the worst) GM/CEO the TTC has ever had. Completely inept and useless joke of a "leader" who's incapable of managing absolute jack while degrading service on every single level while he's been at his post.

Unfortunately i'm starting to think that as long as John Tory is mayor, Leary wont go anywhere since Tory is a clown himself who's likely very satisfied with Leary's lack of pressing for additional funds. The two are clowns who deserve each other, but the city as a whole deserve neither of these bums.

[Turtle]

10 hours ago, T3G said:

why should the TTC care what someone who doesn’t pay for the system thinks about them anyway? You have no financial skin in the game, you’re just mooching off other people’s hardearned cash.

17 years old, angry at life, and entitled. Things will change when they realize how hard real life actually is when you have to pay for everything on your own, and how much it sucks to sit in rush hour traffic spending $20 on gas a day to drive 50km to work, which takes 1.5 hours on a normal day one way. Shute, a 10km drive crosstown in Toronto using local roads takes 40 minutes if you are unlucky enough to be driving with traffic.

 

Or they could make a change to make things better for themselves. Lots of places to live with a better life. Cheaper real estate, better weather, better career prospects, more relaxed lifestyle, less crime, better public transit. Perfect opportunity at that age to take that chance to make a good life somewhere else. Just finish off their free high school education in Toronto, get trained in something relevant, interesting, and in demand, and make the move.

 

Or stay in Toronto, move closer to work, get a bicycle and ride or walk to work every day. Maybe even apply for a job at the TTC when they are old enough to get hired as a driver, but I wouldn't recommend bringing that grudge to the interview.

 

Whatever they choose to do, hopefully their employer pays them fairly for the work they do

[TTC7447]

So, apparently the TTC paid just under $1M over two years for ads to get people back on the TTC.  As this article addresses, I’m having trouble understanding how an ad for an essential service increasingly embattled by violence and poor service would convince people to take the TTC, among the other points mentioned:

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2023/01/18/ttc-advertisements-toronto-riders/
 

And speaking of increasing violence:

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2023/01/18/police-assault-subway-station-hate-crime/

[TransitMotorcoach]

10 hours ago, lip said:

Rick Leary is way past his expiry date and he's easily one of the worst (if not the worst) GM/CEO the TTC has ever had. Completely inept and useless joke of a "leader" who's incapable of managing absolute jack while degrading service on every single level while he's been at his post.

Unfortunately i'm starting to think that as long as John Tory is mayor, Leary wont go anywhere since Tory is a clown himself who's likely very satisfied with Leary's lack of pressing for additional funds. The two are clowns who deserve each other, but the city as a whole deserve neither of these bums.

While John Tory and his henchmen crew on city council are complete morons and clowns, what gets me the most is that the voters keep voting them right back in, time and time again. The likes of Tory and Leary, when you really think about it, they are only a reflection of the voters that voted for this BS. All of this could have easily been changed at the ballot box, yet the voters keep voting in more of the same despite being given clear alternatives. Just goes to show how Toronto's residents as a collective are dumber than a box of rocks. 

[raptorjays]

13 hours ago, lip said:

Rick Leary is way past his expiry date and he's easily one of the worst (if not the worst) GM/CEO the TTC has ever had. Completely inept and useless joke of a "leader" who's incapable of managing absolute jack while degrading service on every single level while he's been at his post.

Unfortunately i'm starting to think that as long as John Tory is mayor, Leary wont go anywhere since Tory is a clown himself who's likely very satisfied with Leary's lack of pressing for additional funds. The two are clowns who deserve each other, but the city as a whole deserve neither of these bums.

TTC started to get corrupt ever since Rob Ford fired Gary Webster back in 2012.. 

Rob Ford was the one who basically ruined the transit in Toronto as whole.. 

His decision to cancel the entire transit city project basically moved Toronto transit backward for at least 30 years.. 

Ford families are the cancer of the city and it looks like nobody knows that

[T3G]

1 hour ago, raptorjays said:

Ford families are the cancer of the city and it looks like nobody knows that

Don't flatter yourself by thinking you're putting forward some kind of revolutionary political idea.

[Novabus photographer]

11 hours ago, TTC7447 said:

So, apparently the TTC paid just under $1M over two years for ads to get people back on the TTC.  As this article addresses, I’m having trouble understanding how an ad for an essential service increasingly embattled by violence and poor service would convince people to take the TTC, among the other points mentioned:

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2023/01/18/ttc-advertisements-toronto-riders/
 

And speaking of increasing violence:

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2023/01/18/police-assault-subway-station-hate-crime/

The TTC doesn't really have much control over the violence in their system so you can't really blame them for that. I think the ads were trying to address people who were not riding the TTC because of the pandemic

[Turtle]

3 hours ago, TTCFareEvader said:

So today I did an experiment on the so-called enforced TTC pay zone and entrances.

 

I jumped on the fare gates and into the station at Dundas, Woodbine, Warden and Keele stations when I was using the system during the day.

[snipped]

3 hours ago, TTCFareEvader said:

 

(I also have friends that quite literally do not give af and will kick the fare gate open damaging it, they’ve told me the collector does nothing despite them showing up at the same station everyday and damaging fare gates. Really just shows how they’d rather put in $$$ to repair the gates than enforce the fares)

 

This sounds like a script to a sociology experiment for school. I did one of these back in my day too, but not about public transit. My assignment was to troll a message board dealing with any topic of my choice and monitor the reactions of the other users, before the term troll was a thing, back in the early days of the world wide web.

 

3 hours ago, TTCFareEvader said:

also, where are platform screen doors to stop idiots from jumping on the tracks and closing the subway for 2+ hours?

They blew their capital budget fixing broken fare gates

53 minutes ago, TTCFareEvader said:

The ttc absolutely has 100% control over the violence in their system. They could request TPS presence at stations, use their special constables better, and maybe hire a contracted security company. 
 

The fact that you’d go so far to defend this stupid system is crazy.

Go talk to TPS, they are the ones who took most of the Special Constable budget and powers away.

 

53 minutes ago, TTCFareEvader said:

 

right now ttc is just going like: “If it happens, it happens, we do not give a fuck.”

 

That's because when they stop a fare evader or try to remove a belligerent drunk from the system, a third party records a video, and sends a carefully edited copy to cp24 for reaction from the sjws.

 

53 minutes ago, TTCFareEvader said:

Say I’m wrong all you want, but with the amount of enormous violence happening everyday, I’d at least expect them to do the smallest thing. But they didn’t. And that’s the reality of a corrupt system where all the money goes to the executives pockets, combined with a lazy mayor John Tory. But ttc still doesn’t have control over these problems right?? It’s because people fare evade there’s more violence right??

It's a problem everywhere, not just on TTC property or vehicles. I dare you to go to Tims, have one of your friends record you jumping behind the counter to make your own iced coffee, walk away without paying, and post it to social media and see what the consequences are. About the same consequences for smoking on a train, or taking a dump in the elevator at Wellesley

[TTC7447]

11 hours ago, Novabus photographer said:

The TTC doesn't really have much control over the violence in their system so you can't really blame them for that. I think the ads were trying to address people who were not riding the TTC because of the pandemic

I don’t think you quite understood what I was getting at here.  Allow me to clarify:

I’m not saying they have control over it - it’s obvious they nor anyone, any business, any residence, etc. that faces violence on their property have control over it.

And yes, this ad is obviously out there to encourage riders to return.

I’m simply saying and echoing the article: The tone of this ad is very happy go-lucky about a system that has been facing increasing incidents of violence, worsening service, and increasing fares on an already crowded system.

Considering a fare increase was recently announced, learning that the TTC spent almost $1M on an ad that isn’t likely to pull more paying riders onto the service leaves a bad taste in people’s mouths.

Watch the ad.  I found the “I hate puppies” (or something along the lines of that) scene particularly…questionable…