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12 hours ago, lip said:

They should follow that up with painting the entire Queens Quay ROW red since many drivers these days are just clueless and ignorant as to the basic rules of the road.

It would be better if they "roughed up" the cement for the entire ROW to either cause the same sound as the rumble strips on the 400 series highways or to make it a bumpy ride.

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It only has taken 3.5 years to put the paint down after I and everyone who worked on this project recommended doing it. It been raised more times than enough at various meetings to put paint down starting with Spadina, including the tracks on Spadina ROW. All intersections should be painted as well.

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37 minutes ago, WoodbineSecondExit said:

That's a generic comment that can apply to so much of what the TTC does. Copy paste response to (insert random TTC problem) and it would be true.

In most cases, despite what a lot of you think, there are very valid reasons why things are done the way they are done.

 

In this case, this is not the TTC's doing. But doing it earlier would have been a very quick, easy and most importantly cheap way of testing to see if it would make a difference and help differentiate the different "zones" along Queens Quay.

 

Dan

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1 hour ago, smallspy said:

In most cases, despite what a lot of you think, there are very valid reasons why things are done the way they are done.

 

In this case, this is not the TTC's doing. But doing it earlier would have been a very quick, easy and most importantly cheap way of testing to see if it would make a difference and help differentiate the different "zones" along Queens Quay.

 

Dan

I disagree with all of that.

I know usually money is always the excuse but it's lack of will and people to fight for things that always stops things. I can name so many things they should have implemented a long time ago like 2 hour ticketing, replacement of the CIS system, proper headway management, replacement of the surface streetcar switch system (a legitimate safety issue for operators) which money was always the excuse but you have things like the streetcar overhead replacement program which was planned and budgeted for but has dragged on and on way beyond original timelines for no discernible reason.

If someone wanted those things earlier it would have been done earlier. Excuses wear thin when expensive programs like battery buses and $40,000,000 gate replacements appeared out of thin air and get rubber stamped without much trouble.

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21 hours ago, WoodbineSecondExit said:

I disagree with all of that.

I know usually money is always the excuse but it's lack of will and people to fight for things that always stops things. I can name so many things they should have implemented a long time ago like 2 hour ticketing, replacement of the CIS system, proper headway management, replacement of the surface streetcar switch system (a legitimate safety issue for operators) which money was always the excuse but you have things like the streetcar overhead replacement program which was planned and budgeted for but has dragged on and on way beyond original timelines for no discernible reason.

If someone wanted those things earlier it would have been done earlier. Excuses wear thin when expensive programs like battery buses and $40,000,000 gate replacements appeared out of thin air and get rubber stamped without much trouble.

You can disagree with it all you want - you're still wrong.

 

Money is always the excuse and will continue to be the excuse, because until such a time that money grows on trees, the TTC will continue to have to go begging, cap in hand, to the City for its operating funding.

 

All of those things that you've talked about cost money - and in some cases, a lot of it. If the choice comes down to replacing the rest of the overhead system tomorrow, or running more service on the routes, guess which one most people are going to go for? Spoiler alert: replacing the overhead system doesn't actually put more service on the streets.

 

Should some of the decisions made by the TTC be second-guessed? Sure, a lot of them even. But you also need to recognize that a $40mil contract is quite literally peanuts when compared to the TTC's annual budget.

 

And frankly, a lot of the people on here seem to be having a lot of trouble seeing the forest for all the trees. A $40mil one-time purchase isn't really a big deal. A $40mil cost EACH AND EVERY YEAR is, and will weigh very heavily on the long-term health of the organization.

 

Dan

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3 hours ago, smallspy said:

You can disagree with it all you want - you're still wrong.

Wrong might be an overstatement. While there are always reasons, I think it's hard to argue that programs such as the streetcar switches haven't gotten issues that are 100% money related.

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Most drivers not from the area aren't used to tracks on the side. The really need overhead signage on Spadina telling people where to turn in advanced of reaching the intersection. Red paint isn't going to help when drivers aren't aware that they are suppose to drive north of the tracks. All these people just find out there's no roadway south of the tracks. A simple fix is ban left turns from Spadina (which happens to be a top location for confused turns) or convert QQ to one way westbound traffic east of Spadina.

The intersection is poorly designed with little signage for an unusual design. Can't 100% blame drivers for a design that doesn't exist any in the GTA with little direction on how to turn especially when going from a street with tracks in the middle to tracks the sides. The lane markings aren't the easiest to see when there are tracks and people all around. 

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I feel that those white broken-line turning path markers would somewhat help. Drivers may think to follow the streetcar track curve instead of crossing them in their left turn.

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23 hours ago, nfitz said:

Wrong might be an overstatement. While there are always reasons, I think it's hard to argue that programs such as the streetcar switches haven't gotten issues that are 100% money related.

 

While a bit of a generic statement, I do think that it's fair to say that a great majority of the issues facing the TTC are money-related. (Sure there are some where the issue is agency inertia, but they're far fewer in number even if some of them such as the current state of route "supervision" have just as much of an effect on the day-to-day rider than any of the ones that are money-based.)

 

Crowded vehicles? More money would allow them to hire more operators and buy more vehicles, and run more service.

Failing infrastructure? More money would allow them to pay more for maintaining the existing infrastructure and/or replace it as necessary.

Overhead is still not 100% pantograph ready? More money would allow them to have another crew (or 2 or 3) to increase the rate of conversion.

More money would allow projects like the ATC/ATO installation to progress much faster by having more crews available for the installation of the hardware. And frankly, the same goes with any of the projects such as the VISION installs.

 

Even the issues with Bombardier and the streetcar deliveries could be largely rectified with more money. If more money was available, they could have more maintenance staff working on keeping the CLRVs and ALRVs running.

 

But is this a tenable solution? Of course not. There is only so much money to go around, and that's where the hard choices have to be made. People here may not be happy that there are only 20 ALRVs left, but the TTC has a very finite maintenance budget, and if it's easier to keep the CLRVs and Flexities running, than that's where the money is going to go to. And the same for all of the various upgrade projects.

 

Dan

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https://toronto.citynews.ca/2018/09/10/yrt-busses-no-longer-allowed-york-university-campus-thousands-students-forced-pay-double-fare/

I noticed Brampton also stopped their ZUM service to York U despite announcing this change much later than YRT did in the summer.

What if they were to introduce a tap off / tap on system only at York U Stn where students tap their Presto at this specific machine and it deducts the TTC fare they had to pay at Pioneer Village / 407 / VMC Stn? That eliminates the double fare they have to pay. In addition, they enter York U Stn tapping this specific machine will allows them to transfer to YRT / ZUM for free? With Presto, it shouldn't be that hard to do the calculations with this specific type of machine only installed at this station.

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On 9/11/2018 at 8:59 AM, Cityflyer said:

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2018/09/10/yrt-busses-no-longer-allowed-york-university-campus-thousands-students-forced-pay-double-fare/

I noticed Brampton also stopped their ZUM service to York U despite announcing this change much later than YRT did in the summer.

What if they were to introduce a tap off / tap on system only at York U Stn where students tap their Presto at this specific machine and it deducts the TTC fare they had to pay at Pioneer Village / 407 / VMC Stn? That eliminates the double fare they have to pay. In addition, they enter York U Stn tapping this specific machine will allows them to transfer to YRT / ZUM for free? With Presto, it shouldn't be that hard to do the calculations with this specific type of machine only installed at this station.

Brampton ZUM buses have not stopped service to York U. In fact they taken over space at YRT's discontinued terminal at Chimneystack Rd.

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1 hour ago, shambala said:

Brampton ZUM buses have not stopped service to York U. In fact they taken over space at YRT's discontinued terminal at Chimneystack Rd.

Oh yes my bad. Only the regular 501 has stopped going to there. The 407 express branches still goes in which basically screws all the local York Region students (unless they take GO) while giving Brampton students continued one fare access.

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5 minutes ago, Cityflyer said:

Oh yes my bad. Only the regular 501 has stopped going to there. The 407 express branches still goes in which basically screws all the local York Region students (unless they take GO) while giving Brampton students continued one fare access.

Surely, what's being screwed is the Toronto taxpayer, given that they are paying to run this subway line in York Region - for which the ridership estimates were based on the long-standing assumption that transit would no longer be entering into York Unionversity!

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9 hours ago, nfitz said:

Surely, what's being screwed is the Toronto taxpayer, given that they are paying to run this subway line in York Region - for which the ridership estimates were based on the long-standing assumption that transit would no longer be entering into York Unionversity!

You mean York University.  It no longer has a bus loop for TTC buses, but remains a bus terminal for shuttles.

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On 9/7/2018 at 11:54 AM, smallspy said:

You can disagree with it all you want - you're still wrong.

 

Money is always the excuse and will continue to be the excuse, because until such a time that money grows on trees, the TTC will continue to have to go begging, cap in hand, to the City for its operating funding.

 

All of those things that you've talked about cost money - and in some cases, a lot of it. If the choice comes down to replacing the rest of the overhead system tomorrow, or running more service on the routes, guess which one most people are going to go for? Spoiler alert: replacing the overhead system doesn't actually put more service on the streets.

 

Should some of the decisions made by the TTC be second-guessed? Sure, a lot of them even. But you also need to recognize that a $40mil contract is quite literally peanuts when compared to the TTC's annual budget.

 

And frankly, a lot of the people on here seem to be having a lot of trouble seeing the forest for all the trees. A $40mil one-time purchase isn't really a big deal. A $40mil cost EACH AND EVERY YEAR is, and will weigh very heavily on the long-term health of the organization.

 

Dan

Aren't you normally a person who says if it ain't broke don't fix it? Why suddenly so nonplussed about a $40 million buy that showed up overnight to crowd out other things in the budget? I can't wait to see how much these electric buses are going to cost after they put in and rip out the infrastructure like they did with the CNG buses. At least round 2 of the hybrids might go better than round 1?

We'll agree to disagree over the Very Good Reasons why they chose to leave T1 air conditioners broken to stick with their "next year" schedule (maybe that $40 million would have been useful here?) or Very Good Reasons why the streetcar overhead team and streetcar planning team look like they don't even talk to each other.

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