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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/sheppard-subway-line-gets-new-toronto-rocket-trains-1.3607811

Saw the article on the CBC that Sheppard Line is getting new TR trains. 

However, I'm wondering about one part in the article.

"TTC spokesperson Brad Ross said a new signalling system will have to be installed first on Line 2, and that's not expected to happen for "five to 10 years."

Does it mean that TTC will not install the new signaling system on Line 2 until like 2025?? 

As a frequent rider of line 2, I feel shame about that because there are so many parts in Line 2 which is really outdated, and looks like the TTC is JUST IGNORING that.

For example, they closed two bus bays at Islington Station due to damage, and there's certainly no progress on the development -_-

If they want to improve systems, they must do it equally.. 

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Raptorjays- the resignal of BD line is contingent on two things - whether the Scarb extension goes ahead and the T1 replacement. They don't have the cash to replace T1s in the next 5 years but the T1s won't get new signal controls. The work on the YUS shows how long and painful a resignal is. So all in all, 2027ish is a reasonable estimate.

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47 minutes ago, raptorjays said:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/sheppard-subway-line-gets-new-toronto-rocket-trains-1.3607811

Saw the article on the CBC that Sheppard Line is getting new TR trains. 

However, I'm wondering about one part in the article.

"TTC spokesperson Brad Ross said a new signalling system will have to be installed first on Line 2, and that's not expected to happen for "five to 10 years."

Does it mean that TTC will not install the new signaling system on Line 2 until like 2025?? 

As a frequent rider of line 2, I feel shame about that because there are so many parts in Line 2 which is really outdated, and looks like the TTC is JUST IGNORING that.

For example, they closed two bus bays at Islington Station due to damage, and there's certainly no progress on the development -_-

If they want to improve systems, they must do it equally.. 

You do remember that the original Yonge line is 12 years older than the BD line. The H5 trains that was replaced was a decade older than the H6 trains. There isn't budget to replace everything at once nor does it make sense as this ATO project seems to be very trial and error. Hopefully they'll learn from the mistakes and make better improvements when line 2 is due for upgrades. Line 2 did get two retrofit stations (Dufferin and Pape) while only Union got a facelift on the Yonge line. I really disagree to early retirement for the T1s. They are still good trains that shouldn't be scraped cause they don't look like new trains. That's just pure gravy.

Islington will remain the same till Miway moves out which isn't TTC's problem that Metrolinx delayed the Kipling terminal to 2019. TTC's subway system is too large to retrofit everything a the same time. I don't think line 2 has that much problems and ridership isn't that big of an issue compared to the Yonge line. As a frequency rider to Kipling, I don't see why line 2 should have the same priority as line 1. The trains are only supper packed from Dufferin onwards to Pape. Heavy loading occurs between Dundas West and VP. Riding westwards in PM rush, you will very likely get a seat by High Park or Jane. Riding eastbound in peak direction, trains fill up from Dundas West onwards. You'll only see packing sardine conditions if there is a delay.

Line 1 is a totally different story. Half the trains on the Spadina line short turns at SCW. In the morning, you always have to wait 5-8 minutes for a southbound train. Trains are always backlogged leading to a 8-10 minute wait sometimes. Ridiculous! The Yonge line is always near capacity south of Bloor. Going northbound in peak direction, trains going free up slightly at Eglinton. Finding a seat may be possible at Sheppard. There is always a long line up to escalators at Finch taking 2-3 minutes to get to the concourse. At Kipling/Islington, you can almost run up the wider stairs. 

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On 5/30/2016 at 11:54 PM, dowlingm said:

Raptorjays- the resignal of BD line is contingent on two things - whether the Scarb extension goes ahead and the T1 replacement. They don't have the cash to replace T1s in the next 5 years but the T1s won't get new signal controls. The work on the YUS shows how long and painful a resignal is. So all in all, 2027ish is a reasonable estimate.

I know the new signal on BD line will take long.. but I'm just hoping that they won't put a new train to Line 1 again and send TR to line 2 10+ years later..

There are many people using line 2 who want to experience something new... No riders should be discriminated when using transit.

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So what do you propose they do? It would not make any sense to retire the T1s just so that the riders don't feel "discriminated" (which is a ridiculous way to describe the situation, by the way) by the lack of new trains.

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1 hour ago, raptorjays said:

There are many people using line 2 who want to experience something new... No riders should be discriminated when using transit.

The Commission will put the equipment where it is needed. How the riders 'feel' and what they want to 'experience' will play little to no role in the decision.  

Until pressure is taken off the Yonge Line by say... a DTRL it's highly likely that the newest equipment will be utilized on the YUS where it will have the most benefit to the most riders. It's not 'discrimination' it's logical transit planning.

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9 hours ago, raptorjays said:

I know the new signal on BD line will take long.. but I'm just hoping that they won't put a new train to Line 1 again and send TR to line 2 10+ years later..

There are many people using line 2 who want to experience something new... No riders should be discriminated when using transit.

Discriminated? This happens everywhere. Maybe the streetcar riders should start a protest cause they don't have new streetcars on their route. Why didn't TTC put Nova buses at every garage? It just makes not sense at all. The only reason why T1's were place on both lines 1 and 2 is because of accessibility. It makes no sense at the moment to maintain TRs at both Wilson and Greenwood.

Across the world we can see that different lines operate with different equipment. I think TTC made the right choice cause T1's and TR's have different speeds of acceleration and operating speeds. It would be more efficient to have the same type of trains on the same line.

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Greenwood can't handle the TRs anyways. That's a good enough excuse. Anything else is waste of time if you don't have the facility to maintain them.

And Kipling will be the only hope for TRs if TTC can use that property for a subway facility.

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With a lack of discussion pertaining to the SSE (Scarborough Subway Extension), i'll leave this here:

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2016/05/31/ttc-letter-warns-homeowners-their-houses-might-be-expropriated-for-scarborough-subway.html

Homes on Stanwell Drive located southwest of McCowan/Ellesmere to be expropriated for construction. Work will begin 2018-2019.

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Let's begin with where are they getting the TBMs. They need to order them soon if they even want new ones to start in 2018. 

4-5 years is a joke considering what mess was left from TYSSE. That project is going well into the 8th year. Assuming they can start tunneling late 2019 and the TBM moves at the Crosstown TBM pace, it will take 2.5 years to get from Kennedy to STC. They'll pull out the TBMs in 2022 and take 3 more years to build the tracks, ventilation, signals and the station on top. 2026 completion date sounds about right.

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Keep in mind, if they stick to the plan they were working on earlier, we are only looking at 1 TBM, 1 drive, and 1 station.  TYSSE was 4 TBMs, 6 drives, 6 stations, and some cut-and cover, not to mention the new connection to Wilson.

 

How long did Downsview take from when they started construction?  It might be more applicable. Yes, shorter tunnel, but other than that.

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59 minutes ago, nfitz said:

Keep in mind, if they stick to the plan they were working on earlier, we are only looking at 1 TBM, 1 drive, and 1 station.  TYSSE was 4 TBMs, 6 drives, 6 stations, and some cut-and cover, not to mention the new connection to Wilson.

 

How long did Downsview take from when they started construction?  It might be more applicable. Yes, shorter tunnel, but other than that.

They still have to dig two 15-20m deep shafts and excavate under the GO train tracks. TYSSE had the tunneling done by 2013 and how far did they get? If one accident happens at STC, the whole project would be pushed back a year. We'll assume that TTC will either do a P3 or have a private contractor to manage the project this time but because they basically want to copy the Crosstown LRT construction, the tunnel has to be done first before any tunnel outfitting and station construction occurs. The 2-3 year TBM and the 3-4 year station construction can't occur in parallel. If all goes well, the earliest opening date is late 2024 and a moderate date is 2026.

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1 hour ago, Xtrazsteve said:

They still have to dig two 15-20m deep shafts...

One shaft can be the existing tail tunnel and the other can be the new station. Or you could drive the TBM off-route and abandon it. Both tecniques have been used elsewhere.

 

... and excavate under the GO train tracks. 

Not a big deal. What impact was there when the existing tail track east of Kennedy was dug under the Stouffville GO Train? I don't recall any issues.

Though, now I think about it, I'm not sure which GO tracks this new tunnel has to go under.  It's entirely east of Stouffville and north of Lakeshore. 

 

If one accident happens at STC, the whole project would be pushed back a year.

One doesn't plan on accidents. Though even then, the recent building collapse during the Crosstown construction only delayed construction a few days.

 

We'll assume that TTC will either do a P3 or have a private contractor to manage the project this time ...

Doesn't have to be P3. There isn't a large number of different construction projects to manage. The entire tunnelling and station construction could be one contract. The scheduling for track and other installations is much simpler.  A P3 would slow things down, but a buyer's engineer wouldn't.

 

... but because they basically want to copy the Crosstown LRT construction, the tunnel has to be done first before any tunnel outfitting and station construction occurs.

Typically a P3 includes tunnelling. Recall that the tunnelling was tendered while TTC was still running the project and wasn't planning on a P3.

 

The 2-3 year TBM and the 3-4 year station construction can't occur in parallel.

Why not? Crossrail was built that way. They bored into the already-built station box, then rolled the TBM through and launched again from the other side. All you have to do here is yank it out - or abandon in place. Or you could build the extraction shaft next to either the new station and work on each separately. Or do what they did for the final runs between Downsview Park and Downsview (aka Sheppard West), and tunnel towards the existing subway, and then build the extraction pit at the end of the existing tail tracks.

 

 If all goes well, the earliest opening date is late 2024 and a moderate date is 2026.

The current target is 2023. I wouldn't at all be surprised if it slips to 2024, given the current delay caused by council. But given the false assumptions that you've used, I'm not sure I trust your conclusion.

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11 minutes ago, nfitz said:

Though, now I think about it, I'm not sure which GO tracks this new tunnel has to go under.  It's entirely east of Stouffville and north of Lakeshore.

I was about to add this comment myself. The Kennedy tail tracks already go well past the Stouffville line.

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12 minutes ago, nfitz said:

One shaft can be the existing tail tunnel and the other can be the new station. Or you could drive the TBM off-route and abandon it. Both tecniques have been used elsewhere.

If they TTC gives up trying to sell them. The TYSSE resale didn't go so well. From this article I just read: http://www.insidetoronto.com/news-story/6707688-ttc-staff-suggest-destroying-mature-woodlot-to-build-scarborough-subway/ They might just stage the shaft on Ellesmere which can allow them to build the station in parallel.

7 minutes ago, Archer said:

I was about to add this comment myself. The Kennedy tail tracks already go well past the Stouffville line.

I was under the assumption that they would just the parking lot just east of the tracks.

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Just posted on the TTC channel, a time lapse on the Spadina subway. Might be the only opportunity the public will get to see these tunnels.

 

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Jail for setting up bed on T.O. subway track

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Brandon Police Service (BRANDON POLICE SERVCE)

 

 

 

 

 

A Brandonite didn’t make any fans in Toronto when he picked a bad spot to sleep and caused a subway disruption that delayed Toronto Raptors faithful from getting to the game.

 

 

 

Homeless former Brandon resident Darrell Gordon Ness jumped down to track level and set up a makeshift bed, causing a 16-minute transit delay that cost the Toronto Transit Commission $80,000 to $160,000.

 

 

 

"It’s also noted that at the time that this occurred there was a nearby Toronto Raptors game taking place, and that quite a number of fans were unable to make it to the game due to the TTC being shut down by this disruption," Crown attorney Deidre Badcock said in Brandon provincial court on Thursday during Ness’s sentencing.

 

 

 

Ness pleaded guilty to mischief and was sentenced to three months in jail as part of sentencing for a series of offences.

 

 

 

Badcock said it was the evening of March 15, 2015, when Ness entered Wellesley Station in Toronto, entered the main platform area, jumped down to track level and entered a restricted area.

 

 

 

There, he set up a makeshift bed and fell asleep.

 

 

 

A passing train driver saw Ness and contacted supervisors. Badcock said power had to be cut for 16 minutes to allow the safe removal of Ness, costing the TTC $5,000 to $10,000 per minute.

 

 

 

At the time, Raptors fans were trying to get to the Air Canada Centre to see their team play the Portland Trail Blazers.

 

 

 

In the end, they didn’t have much to cheer about. A team-leading 22-point effort by Raptors guard DeMar DeRozen was wasted as the Blazers beat Toronto 113-97.

 

 

 

Ness was also sentenced on Thursday for drunk driving in a stolen vehicle, mowing down a pedestrian in a crosswalk and driving off in Toronto on Jan. 9, 2015. The pedestrian was left with a fractured knee.

 

 

 

And, he was sentenced for failing to report to his bail supervisor in Toronto in April 2015, and for breaking a probation order he was on by not living where he was supposed to in Winnipeg and failing to report after getting out of jail after serving time for a Brandon sexual assault.

 

 

 

His lawyer, Andrew Sieklicki, said his 27-year-old is originally from Brandon but once worked for the fair here and followed it to Toronto where he found himself unemployed and homeless.

 

 

 

He studied culinary arts and earned a food-handling certificate through an education program for the homeless, but turned to alcohol and racked up charges in Toronto, Calgary and in Brandon after returning here to be with his sick mother.

 

 

 

In total, Ness was sentenced on Thursday to 21 months for the drunken hit-and-run, three months for the subway incident and 60 days for his breaches.

 

 

 

With a little time off for presentence custody, he’s left with a sentence of 25 months and 18 days.

 

 

 

» ihitchen@brandonsun.com

 

 

 

» Twitter: @IanHitchen

 

 

 

 

 

Republished from the Brandon Sun print edition June 10, 2016

 

 

 

http://www.brandonsun.com/breaking-news/jail-for-setting-up-bed-on-to-subway-track-382446191.html?thx=y

 

 

 

 

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I agree with most of the complaints. some of the complaints are ridiculous, like why windows are open when the A/C is on, TTC doesn't control that, you have to blame your fellow passengers. Some people do it for fresh air. Other people eating food, again blame your fellow passengers. Not enforcing fares, really came down from politicians not TTC. 12 and under free, politicians to blame. This whole new culture of bowing down to customers and apologizing all the time, Byford to blame. I miss when TTC had a backbone.

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