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4 hours ago, Thomasw said:

Actually as you see in the following link every bus (under the column status/disposal) will either be written Active, Active - On limited use or Retired

So as you see editing the wiki would be useful and would keep the wiki up to date

Next time instead of posting stuff up here just so that your number of posts goes up, do a little research instead

https://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php/Réseau_de_transport_de_la_Capitale_0001-0025

https://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php/Réseau_de_transport_de_la_Capitale_0401-0431

https://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php/Réseau_de_transport_de_la_Capitale_0701-0750

 

 

I don't know if you have a job, but most of us here do. We do not have all the time in the world to update the wiki with the information we get or see daily.

From what I can see, you are new member here, and IMHO should not be giving us morale on what to we do with our free time. Editing a wiki is very time consuming, I know I used to do a lot of it in my free time, when I was managing another transit based wiki on another website.

Here is a link to sign up to become a wiki editor, feel free since you have all the time in the world...

https://cptdb.ca/forum/59-applications/

In the event you are not accepted for any reason, you can add information you want added to the wiki here, someone will eventually add it when we/they have time.

https://cptdb.ca/forum/35-content-changes-and-additions/

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7 hours ago, Thomasw said:

0711 is now L0711 and 0745 is now L0745

We try to post pertinent sighting (new bus, wrapping, special buses, events) and news on the board, not "OMG, there is an error in the wiki on just another breadbox bus" type of sightings. As said before, if you have time to do the edit, suscribe as a wiki editor and do it yourself ! (sadly, my patience with the wiki platform is "L"imited)

 

 

On 7/26/2018 at 4:06 PM, Thomasw said:

Just spotted 1605 and a couple other 40 footers on metro bus route 803

 Does this happen often or are there many 60 footers in for repairs meaning that there is a shortage or 60 footers so RTC is forced to use 40 footers on metro bus routes?

Thanks,

Thomas

803 is a 40 footers route all-day every-day, based out of Lebourgneuf garage.

Sometimes, there is indeed artic shortage and they will send 40 footers on others Metrobus, and as extras on 804 on thursday - friday night

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On 7/27/2018 at 4:36 PM, Thomasw said:

0711 is now L0711 and 0745 is now L0745

I know elcair14 already posted, but this is better under the Content Changes section of the board. While you can apply to become a wiki editor, you have to show them why you are a good fit. As you are new, I recommend waiting a few months to gain some experience on the board.

 

 

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In addition of the already announced changes for the fall board, there is others changes

- Service increase on the "Classic" 800/801 Metrobus. Service will be every 10 minutes instead of every 15 roughly between 3 and 6pm on week-ends. So on the common trunk, service will be every 5 minutes instead of every 7.5 minutes

- The stops on both side of the Enfant-Jésus hôpital for express 238 will allow for unloading / loading instead of the traditionnal express model

- Some 802 bus trips will use T-Drive regular Novas instead of articulated bus

- Other minors stops changes are also done

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On 5/19/2018 at 11:41 AM, eclair14 said:

Finallly, RTC will do some more change to it's network for 2018. The Saint-Augustin-de-Desmaures city will see major changes to it's bus network, which RTC inherited from Autocars Québec when they taken control about 8 years ago. Here is what is currently proposed.

- Bus 92 would mainly focus on the downtown St-Augustin part, with faster and more direct service, bus route is significantly shorter in the Lac St-Augustin area with bus using Hétrière street instead of doing the tour. The biggest change would be in Ste-Foy, bus would proceed directly up A-540 to Laurier blvd, then bus is extended to end at Garneau CÉGEP at all time via Laurier, the Laval university campus, Quatre-Bourgois and Ste-Foy read. Service every 60 minutes or better 7 days a week (instead of all-time except peak travel currently).

- NEW express 392 would do the bus 92 routing in St-Augustin downtown, then proceed directly to A-40, A-540, then following the 92 route in Ste-Foy, rush hour only in the peak travel direction only.

- Bus 94 is intriguing, bus will now start at the CNDF campus, shorter route in Lac St-Augustin (where some riders will have to walk a lot more to get to their bus stop), then the bus will travel in Cap-Rouge serving areas already served by a bus route (14 / 15). Good news is that bus will finally allow access from Cap-Rouge riders to their commercial area next to A-40, bus would then use A-40,A-540 and follow the 92 routing in Ste-Foy. Service every 60 minutes or better 7 days a week (instead of peak travel currently).

- Express 294 & 295 would be deleted under current proposal, forcing parlement hill bound customers to make a transfer on Laurier Blvd. to / from a 11-800-801 bus.

- Route 95 would also be deleted, mostly replaced by the 92/94 changes

On side notes

- The 2 trippers in the isolated north part of St-Augustin are removed, replaced by taxibus service avaliable at all departures (huge improvement)

- Chemin du Lac will go from 5 bus (92-94-95-295-992) to zero bus, this also somewhat isolated area will also be served by taxibus avaliable at all departures

 

UPDATE: Seems that people of Saint-Augustin did not like at all the RTC proposal, they are back to drawing board meaning the modified network will only be deployed in Fall 2019 for that part of the city.

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21 hours ago, eclair14 said:

UPDATE: Seems that people of Saint-Augustin did not like at all the RTC proposal, they are back to drawing board meaning the modified network will only be deployed in Fall 2019 for that part of the city.

Bad habits die hard.

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On 11/2/2018 at 12:52 PM, STO_1601 said:

@eclair14 Have all the 00XX retired yet or are there still some running? and when are the rest of the Van Hools expected to be delivered?

00xx are IMO classified retired even if some are still on RTC property.

For the Vanhools ... probably early 2019 for service entry (they will be in the 19xx series)

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RTC said back in spring that 00xx Series was to come back in september but i think they didn't finally.

Also Vanhool might still be 18xx series since we got already one running as 1801 i know i saw it back in march and some times this summer.

And anyway have more information about the 1508 that had an accident yesterday on Henri IV?

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RTC has announced the 2019 service changes, let's (try) do quick roundup of service changes

Airport services

Changes were made from the initial airport proposal service, instead of a route linking the airport to downtown, two routes will  serve the airport

- NEW Route 76 will start from the airport, travel via St-Jean Baptiste, Notre-Dame, W-Hamel, Duplessis shopping area, Ste-Foy, de l'Église stopping at the Ste-Foy coach station, then down to Saint-Louis then westbound to Ste-Foy VIA Rail Station. Service will be every 30 minutes all day every day , customers to/from downtown will require a transfer on de l'Église road to a 800/801 bus. This is a  route that will correct major leaks in service, and finally a direct north - south route in Ste-Foy area.

- Route 80 will be extended from it's current terminal at Notre-Dame / de l'Aéroport to the Airport, buses will use Chauveau instead of Notre-Dame when travelling between Notre-Dame and de l'Aéroport, the small loop in the industrial park is also removed (buses will stop on the l'Aéroport instead). Service is also increased to have 30 minutes service all day every day. Route 78 rush hour airport service is removed.

North-west area

RTC once again plays with the routes in the Val-Bélair / Neufchâtel area, they played last time with the introduction of Metrobus 807 just a couple years ago.

- There is a service change along the Robert-Bourassa route, while route 75 remains, a NEW route joins the band, route 70.

Route 75 will use the same route as today, but at it's western end it's extended to Val-Bélair via St-Claude, Ste-Geneviève, Pie-XI and Industrielle to a terminus at the "Terrain Spécial" Petit-Valon / Irving. Route 70 use the same route as the 75 between Ste-Foy Centre and Ste-Geneviève/Pie-XI intersection, then route splits going up via Amiral, Aéroport, de la Montagne, then north on Pie-XI . Service every 60 minutes on split section, 30 minutes on the common trunk

- Route 74 is modified, it does follow the same routing as today except in the west part of Neufchatel where it will act as local milk run service in replacement of current route 84. Service every 60 minutes or better.

- Route 84 is heavily modified, route is the same between downtown and the corner of de l'Ormière / Pincourt, from there bus enters a neighbourhood that has currently no regular bus service (only eXpress service), it's proceed north until W-Caron/Racine, then it's resume it's current routing until the Terrain Spécial where route is extended again west to what's looks like a new transfer point near Industrielle and Pie-XI North. Service every 60 minutes

- Route 804 frequency is increased on weeknights (7:30 to 9:30pm) and Sunday mornings (start of service to noon) from every 30 to every 15 minutes

I will cover St-Augustin in a future post

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Breaking news : Boischatel has announce that they will ditch RTC transit services, a new local network will be operated by Plumobile covering more then 3x the territory of RTC, service will be free and will start August 17th 2019

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On 12/19/2018 at 11:56 AM, eclair14 said:

Breaking news : Boischatel has announce that they will ditch RTC transit services, a new local network will be operated by Plumobile covering more then 3x the territory of RTC, service will be free and will start August 17th 2019

Good news. PLU is certainly one offre the best rural transit services. RTC operating costs are renown to be overwhelmingly high for third ring suburbs (see Shannon, Saint-Augustin); knowing this growing town will get decent service is certainly a super Christmas gift for Boischatelois.

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6 hours ago, webfil said:

Good news. PLU is certainly one offre the best rural transit services. RTC operating costs are renown to be overwhelmingly high for third ring suburbs (see Shannon, Saint-Augustin); knowing this growing town will get decent service is certainly a super Christmas gift for Boischatelois.

Shannon case wasn't operating costs, it was that National Defense was obligated to stop funding the service per govt. policy

For Saint-Augustin, well ... ask someone that was in charge in the late 90' if municipal fusion is a good idea !

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10 hours ago, eclair14 said:

Shannon case wasn't operating costs, it was that National Defense was obligated to stop funding the service per govt. policy

For Saint-Augustin, well ... ask someone that was in charge in the late 90' if municipal fusion is a good idea !

Case in point, exactly.

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If Boischatel can have a better service, free for passengers and at a better price than the RTC, there is a problem somewhere. I'm really surprised by the RTC operating costs!

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1 hour ago, FelixINX said:

If Boischatel can have a better service, free for passengers and at a better price than the RTC, there is a problem somewhere. I'm really surprised by the RTC operating costs!

It's not a "problem". A Nova costs about the same to acquire and to run, whether it's owned by a Swiftrans subsidiary or the RTC, and the difference between models or even vehicle size (with diesel powertrains) often speaks in 1-digit or fractions of percentages. The main difference between operators is the cost of human resources (salaries, side benefits), which can vary from 40% (STSherbrooke) to 70% (RTC) of the expenditures, depending on the agency. On the other hand, passenger revenue counts from 3% (STO) to 33% (RTC) of the income. 

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2 hours ago, webfil said:

On the other hand, passenger revenue counts from 3% (STO) to 33% (RTC) of the income. 

I think your numbers need some revisions, STO expect on their 2019 budget that 27% of their revenue will come from fares.

Back to the Boischatel case,  this small town has some areas that are ok for public transit, but also some areas that are long north-south street (à la Lac-Beauport) without a lot of cross street. Main service economy will come in two forms, first they will use a cheaper contractor and two, they will run a 24 seats POS instead of a Nova, so they will save there.

Some areas that didn't have transit will get it, some areas will see far longer commute time, and all 250-350 eXpress riders says goodbye to your one seat ride.

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2 hours ago, eclair14 said:

I think your numbers need some revisions, STO expect on their 2019 budget that 27% of their revenue will come from fares.

Indeed. I misread.

Do you know if the fare will be free only for local movements? That would make sense, knowing that their neighbours pay a fair amount to climb aboard Express Desjardins. That would be akin to the former CIT Chambly-Richelieu-Carignan and Le Richelain fare structures — whatever they might be called now.

2 hours ago, eclair14 said:

Back to the Boischatel case,  this small town has some areas that are ok for public transit, but also some areas that are long north-south street (à la Lac-Beauport) without a lot of cross street.

That's perfect for taxibus and minivan service — not for lenghty urban, fixed-schedule routes.

2 hours ago, eclair14 said:

Main service economy will come in two forms, first they will use a cheaper contractor and two, they will run a 24 seats POS instead of a Nova, so they will save there.

Cutaways do not shave that much off the pricetag. The acquisition price is lower than a full-sized bus, but operation and maintenance costs remain the same, and they last for a considerably shorter time.

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1 hour ago, webfil said:

Do you know if the fare will be free only for local movements? That would make sense, knowing that their neighbours pay a fair amount to climb aboard Express Desjardins. That would be akin to the former CIT Chambly-Richelieu-Carignan and Le Richelain fare structures — whatever they might be called now. 

Service will be free within the city of Boischatel and at the transfer point with the RTC (probably at Terminus des Chutes Montmorency)

Others PLUMobile service will charge as usual

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Its me or they will fuckup what they planned with the 70? the 70 project was good before they scrap it(a bus going down Valcartier and going on la faune then going to robert bourassa was a good idea for those who live in this place.

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9 hours ago, tommike said:

how many of the van hool 330 you have now and on the route?

The Van Hool delivery is expected to start in January. I doubt there is any in revenue service, except maybe for the early demo delivery.

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