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22 hours ago, Matt Demers said:

LaSalle's 29-112, Anjou's 27-003 And Legendre's 22-396 were on the 161 today. 

22-396 has actually been a Stinson bus for the past few years along with 387, 390, 391 and a few others. (I think 392 and 398, but I haven't seen either of them in a long time).

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SL 28-082 was on the 124 this morning.

22-204 was on the 108 for most of the day.

24-210 is on the 105 this evening. It was at Lasalle on the weekend.

AN 30-222 was on the 51 near Montreal Ouest around 18:30. It's interesting to see it this far west; I wonder how common Anjou extras are on the 51, since there's only one this board period and there haven't been others this year. This one (141-79) is an interline from the 189. It deadheads from the Sherbrooke/Gouin terminus to Laurier Metro and later returns to Anjou territory via the 410.

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SL 28-051 was on 189-44 tonight (186E, 189, 186, 187, 44)

 

141-79 after finishing the 410, leaves 100e Ave/Bureau and deadheads to St-Michel Metro to back on the 141. There is nothing to understand with the STM interlines.

30-159 was also parked in the rows at Anjou

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On 27/09/2017 at 8:31 PM, Gerbil said:

AN 30-222 was on the 51 near Montreal Ouest around 18:30. It's interesting to see it this far west; I wonder how common Anjou extras are on the 51, since there's only one this board period and there haven't been others this year. This one (141-79) is an interline from the 189. It deadheads from the Sherbrooke/Gouin terminus to Laurier Metro and later returns to Anjou territory via the 410.

MR used to love interlining the 410/430 with the 51 back in the day when Turcot and surrounding areas was not such a pain in the ass as it is today. Perhaps the STM has had to re-evaluate their strategies. Here's an article that made its rounds on social media: http://www.ledevoir.com/societe/actualites-en-societe/508898/des-chauffeurs-de-bus-habitues-a-la-violence-quotidienne

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20 hours ago, Matt Demers said:

And @Gerbil, 22-392 was on the 460 in the morning heading EB in my written list of sightings. I thought Legendre still had that whole 22-379 to 22-399 batch.

I've seen 390, 391 and 396 many times at Stinson over the past couple of years, so I am certain they were there. They've probably been transferred away by now though with the arrival of the hybrids. 22-387 is still at Stinson though: it was on the 124E today, and I took it on the 105 a few weeks ago. 392 and 398 were definitely at Stinson in the fall of last year, but they might have just been on loan from Legendre.

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37-083 and 37-091 were on the 105 yesterday evening. I wonder if this batch is going to be up to 37-107, since they seem to be arriving pretty quickly now.

31-052 is back at Stinson from St. Laurent. It was on the 162 yesterday evening.

29-154 was on the 90 yesterday around 19:30. Usually I only see these buses on trippers during AM rush hour, but this one was out from early PM rush until after 21:30.

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Yesterday:

LS 28-039 was on the 51.

LE 24-211 was on the 102.

LS 24-248 was on the 124.

Today:

SN 22-302 was on the 104 during AM rush.

LS 29-148 was on the 51 around 18:30.

Skyport was operating an Ex-Orléans Express J4500 on the Concordia campus shuttle. I'm surprised it's already been sold since it's only 5 years old according to the wiki.

Both of the departures ahead of mine on the 90 today were cancelled, and both of them were supposed to be operated by run 104-39. I caught an overcrowded 27-520 during AM rush on 90-12 (departure after 104-39), and then 29-129 during PM rush on run 138-53 (scheduled after a 104-39 departure that was cancelled). 30-150, which was operating as run 104-39, was having a bad day (another 90 departure by that run was cancelled later)!

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Anjou's 27-513 was on the 160 this morning. Has a white driver's vent.

37-061 was on the 124 this morning.

Stinson's 22-401 was on the 161. Still has the front end Novabus logo!

37-076 was on the 105 this evening.

30-172 was on the 209 with the Frontenac checkered bumper.

Frontenac's  (possibly) 26-056 was on a run that was supposed to be accessible on the 211.

 

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30-158 was on the 48X Today. Looks like the 30-1XX sent to SL then to SN are being sent back to AN.

 

Keolis Canada owns Skyport since January 2017. They have been updating the aging Skyport fleet with units that can no longer be used on the Orleans Express Service (Mileage). Some found homes with MRC Joliette Transport (29533 and 29534) as well as Murray Hill (29531). The remainder are being sold off all over canada.

5908 is also operating on Skyport service, in full Skyport livery.

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Yesterday:

Stinson's 22-261 was on the 166 around 9:40.

LE 24-268 was on the 90 around 19:00.

Today:

Stinson's 22-390 was on the 166 around 7:45. This bus has a tailgate from a 2003-2009 LFS.

Stinson mustn't have many 22-XXX left. I've only seen two so far this week, with 22-260 doing the 105 on Sunday and 22-405 doing 90-31 today.

I caught 23-206 on an extremely overcrowded 90 trip this morning (run 90-16) around 7:05. The departure before, supposed to be 104-39, was cancelled. It's like that run is out to get me!

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Spent a portion of PM Rush at Du College until mother nature decided to flood the streets of montreal. of course my car was parked 2 blocks away...

17: 37-008, 37-044

72: 22-403, 37-033, 37-036, 37-073

73: 37-071

100: 29-812, 37-050

128: 22-218, 28-127, 37-002

175: 37-045, 37-088

202: 22-281

409: 37-038, 37-077

460: 22-272, 24-241, 27-517, 28-063, 30-224

 

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Once again, the 90 was horrible today. I gave up while waiting at Atwater and ended up taking the 104. This board period is the worst it's ever been. 

I decided to make a diagram to illustrate how frequent cancellations are from around 17:00-18:00. The diagram shows Monday-Thursday this week, and every previous Thursday since the beginning of this board period because Thursday seems to be the worst day of the week. The cancelled departures are indicated in red. I also included the 17:28 westbound 138 departure, since it interlines from the 90 and is similarly unreliable. I can only imagine how bad it will get once we start getting snow.

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23-220 was on the 90 during PM rush (112-49).

37-056 was on the 144 at Atwater around 17:00. I wonder if MR is going to get some of these 37-XXX or if this is just a short-term move.

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I took Stinson's 27-504 on the 90 this morning. It made it out on another run as the 195 in the afternoon.

Stinson's 22-287 was on the 491 in the afternoon.

I caught SN 29-090 on a SL extra of the 90 eastbound around 15:30 (203-64). The driver got lost in Lachine, so it was over 20 minutes late. I've noticed that some runs seem to get the same drivers every (or almost every) day, while others seem to get different ones each day of the week. Why might that be? The ones with regular drivers tend to be more consistently reliable because that driver is used to his or her schedule.

22-239 and 22-293 are still at Stinson. 239 did run 90-31, while 293 did the 105 for most of the day.

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On ‎2017‎-‎10‎-‎05 at 9:21 PM, Gerbil said:

23-220 was on the 90 during PM rush (112-49).

37-056 was on the 144 at Atwater around 17:00. I wonder if MR is going to get some of these 37-XXX or if this is just a short-term move.

There is a lot of 36-xxx at Stinson now.  The one that I saw this week are 36-009-14-18-19-21-25-27 & 41 all in service on Stinson's route.

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LaSalle's 31-064 was on the 31 this morning.

Frontenac's 22-243, 22-256, 22-297 parked outside St. Laurent. Is there a particular reason why Frontenac buses get towed to St. Laurent even though there are garages much closer it can go to?

22-396 was parked inside one of the front rows at St. Denis. This bus has a checkered bumper in the front! uFnx2.gif

22-397 parked outside St. Denis.

22-311 was on the 192.

Anjou's 30-118 was parked on the street in front of Frontenac.

St. Denis' 29-029 was on the 24.

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Friday: 

I forgot to add to my sightings on Friday that I saw a step van numbered 87-118 in STCUM livery on Greene at St. Catherine around 8:30.

Saturday:

LS 28-043 was on the 51.

SN 29-099 and LS 29-002 were on the 92.

LS 29-117 was on the 166.

Sunday:

28-116 was on the 160.

Monday:

I took Ex-Stinson 30-163 on the 92. 

Today:

I caught 28-049 on the 90 this evening. This bus makes a distinctive sound, although I can't quite place what it is. 

37-094 was on the 105 around 21:00.

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On 06/10/2017 at 8:45 PM, Gerbil said:

I caught SN 29-090 on a SL extra of the 90 eastbound around 15:30 (203-64). The driver got lost in Lachine, so it was over 20 minutes late. I've noticed that some runs seem to get the same drivers every (or almost every) day, while others seem to get different ones each day of the week. Why might that be? The ones with regular drivers tend to be more consistently reliable because that driver is used to his or her schedule.

My theory, the run is given out in overtime. If it is roulement (remplacement de congés), you could see one of these drivers at least two weekdays, the regular driver would get it at least three weekdays. OT can go out to other divisions so you could possibly have a bus driver on a route not of his centre and might be a little muddled. Or perhaps you have a brand new driver not used to dealing with impossible schedules and horrible traffic and detours galore!

2 minutes ago, SMS said:

My theory, the run is given out in overtime. If it is roulement (remplacement de congés), you could see one of these drivers at least two weekdays, the regular driver would get it at least three weekdays. OT can go out to other divisions so you could possibly have a bus driver on a route not of his centre and might be a little muddled. Or perhaps you have a brand new driver not used to dealing with impossible schedules and horrible traffic and detours galore!

I get eyes rolled at me for being one minute late on Boucherville runs so I can't imagine how bad it must be to wait endlessly for the 90 and what attitude the driver gets. I feel very sorry for my colleagues who work for the STM and I believe they deserve every penny that they get.

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23 hours ago, SMS said:

I get eyes rolled at me for being one minute late on Boucherville runs so I can't imagine how bad it must be to wait endlessly for the 90 and what attitude the driver gets. I feel very sorry for my colleagues who work for the STM and I believe they deserve every penny that they get.

That's for sure! Our standards in Montreal for delays are much lower; I'm usually happy if the delay is under 10 minutes. I'm hoping they add some extra runs on the 90 to cover during the problematic times. The current schedule lasts until January but there's a new board period in November. Last November they did add an extra bus to cover a departure that was regularly cancelled.

They seem to have made one such modification recently on the 420. I occasionally take the 13:30 westbound departure from downtown. It was originally operated by 191-14, which I took a few times. For the past week though, it seems like it's been operated by another bus. I took it today (28-054) and the iBus screen said it was run 420-1XX (couldn't read the number, but I'll find out eventually). 191-14 was supposed to interline to a school special, but it was probably arriving very late because of the regular delays on the 420. I assume that's why the schedule has been modified.

I took 37-005 on the 90 eastbound around 17:00. It was running about 20 minutes late (Stinson extra).

My return trip around 18:05 was operated by 24-283, which left Atwater about 20 minutes late, the first bus in 28 minutes. The bus driver had used his sweater to cover the fare box to speed up boarding. 

SN (or LE?) 22-398 was on the 90 during PM rush. It arrived at Atwater about half an hour late for the 17:32 westbound departure.

SN 28-099 was on the 90 during PM rush (operated by LS).

MR 30-085 was on the 24 this afternoon.

36-019 and 36-021 were on the 105.

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11 hours ago, Gerbil said:

That's for sure! Our standards in Montreal for delays are much lower; I'm usually happy if the delay is under 10 minutes. I'm hoping they add some extra runs on the 90 to cover during the problematic times. The current schedule lasts until January but there's a new board period in November. Last November they did add an extra bus to cover a departure that was regularly cancelled.

Part of the problem is that the transportation commissions are trying to get away with running as little service as possible. In my context, there has been a drastic cut of standby positions, meaning that when the crap hits the fan, the company is poorly equipped to deploy resources in a timely fashion. There might also be an ingrained bias towards prioritizing service on one route versus several. If there is only one bouche-trou at Vendome, how best is he or she used? Serving honest working class citizens on the 90, or carrying baggage for money maker 747? I hate to say it, but complaints have to be sent out so that they get the message and address reliability. It is after repeated complaints that the guys at head office get fed up of you and address the problem. This is proven by abribus installation and the course of improvements to certain sectors as seen over time.

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On 10/6/2017 at 8:45 PM, Gerbil said:

I caught SN 29-090 on a SL extra of the 90 eastbound around 15:30 (203-64). The driver got lost in Lachine, so it was over 20 minutes late. I've noticed that some runs seem to get the same drivers every (or almost every) day, while others seem to get different ones each day of the week. Why might that be? The ones with regular drivers tend to be more consistently reliable because that driver is used to his or her schedule.

I had a friend check and the run is assigned so it should be the same driver everyday. The only reason I see that it be a different one is that the run is often covered by a renfort.

 

As for some runs getting the same drivers and some not, the run in question could be assigned to Reserve or Overtime because no driver took the assignment when it came to booking time. It is sometimes the result when the garage has more runs than assigned drivers. Sometimes the STM used this tactic to make sure it has enough reserve employees to cover runs and rather have 1-2 assignments not be chosen and just put them in the Reserve/OT pool for the board period. Another situation could be that the run is assigned, but on the drivers days off it was not chossen by the Roulement team therefore it is put in the Reserce/OT Pool.

6 hours ago, SMS said:

Part of the problem is that the transportation commissions are trying to get away with running as little service as possible. In my context, there has been a drastic cut of standby positions, meaning that when the crap hits the fan, the company is poorly equipped to deploy resources in a timely fashion. There might also be an ingrained bias towards prioritizing service on one route versus several. If there is only one bouche-trou at Vendome, how best is he or she used? Serving honest working class citizens on the 90, or carrying baggage for money maker 747? I hate to say it, but complaints have to be sent out so that they get the message and address reliability. It is after repeated complaints that the guys at head office get fed up of you and address the problem. This is proven by abribus installation and the course of improvements to certain sectors as seen over time.

The 747 has dedicated Renforts at Berri, Lionel-Groulx and the Airport. The renforts at the other stations are generally on the regular network as they are most often or not done by older vehicles and not necessarily front ramp equipped buses, which is a requirement on he 747 service. The way the renforts are booked in terms of first come first serve basis. If there is more than 1 request at a time, the CO's job is to make the best decision for the network as a whole.

Unfortunately nowadays, the COs at the STM has little to no experience in public transit. I was taking pictures at the terminal of the 24 and I was the one who showed him how to operate a rear-ramp bus to get the wheelchair on board, even the driver (who was still on probation, there fore less than 6 months on the job) did not know how to operate the rear ramp, in fact he didn't even know his bus was equipped with one!

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