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8 hours ago, 110B West Pickering said:

I added a more detailed and more accurate version in my recent post 

And yet you both cited the exact same source, so other than increasing your post count what is the point?

 

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2 hours ago, smallspy said:

And yet you both cited the exact same source, so other than increasing your post count what is the point?

 

Dan

Posted to fix some Inaccuracies and missing info the initial post

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11 hours ago, 110B West Pickering said:

Wow, big year coming for Durham Region Transit.

This is their 2020 service plan, not going to talk about bus purchases because they're all in the ICIP funding which I talked about earlier in this thread.

Starting with discontinued routes

Discontinued Routes

107, 111, 226, 401, 402, 414, 506, 601, 922, 960

Major Service Reductions

103, 217, 223, 225, 232, 302, 303, 304, 308, 409, 501, 502

Service Improvements

101 - Service extended to Pickering Parkway Terminal

110 - Peak service extended to Rouge Hill GO

112 - Routing modified to serve Pickering Parkway Terminal and the Fieldlight neighbourhood.

215 - Added AM Peak trips

223 - Sunday service west of Ajax Station improved to every 30 minutes.

291 - Service extended to Ajax Station and additional weekday peak and Sunday trips to make up for service lost on the 226 and 232

304 - All trips to Durham College

312 - Service to operate on Garden between Taunton and Dundas

403 - Added RAD bus to help with terrible service reliability

405 - Additional Trips

410 - Service in peak periods is extended to Oshawa GO to provide more options for people off the train. Service on Sunday improved to every 30 minutes and added to the High Frequency Network.

411 - Service in peak periods to operate via Oshawa GO (somehow) replacing the parts of the 922 in Courtice. I'm not sure if its also extended to Harmony Terminal but I doubt it.

422 - Service extended to Whitby GO along Victoria, Replacing that part of the 922 in Oshawa and Whitby.

910 - Service is (FINALLY) extended to Ajax Station via Victoria/Bayly.  This is why service on the 223 is reduced east of Ajax GO.  The route is also now operated by Westney Division.

915 - Additional trips added during the post secondary period (September to April).

200z - New seasonal route operating on weekend and holidays between May and October between Ajax Station, Rouge Park, and Toronto Zoo.

Service Growth

112 - Service extended into Seaton

304 - Modified to operate in Windfield Farms

315 - New weekday peak period route, serving the West Whitby new growth area.

417 - Service to operate on Britannia instead of Conlin between Simcoe and Ritson

902 - New route replacing the 402 and the One fare agreement on GO Transit route 90. Operating between Oshawa Station, Oshawa Centre Terminal, and Bowmanville (King and Sampson).  GO is apparently cancelled come September probably being replaced by the 91.

On Demand Expansion

107 - Service to be replaced by On Demand in April.

652 - Is replacing 601

655 - Uxbridge/Mount Albert replacing the 960, hopefully its going to be more than just a connection to YRT 58 and Mobility on Request Mount Albert.

657 - Clarington, replaced the 506 but also adds On Demand service to ALL areas of Rural Clarington and Durham Region as a whole.

Extra Stuff

Also in September the articulated buses (9100-9105) will enter service Monday - Saturday on the 900 replacing the run as directed PULSE buses from Westney and Richmond and Ontario but overall schedule remains the same.

In December the 401 Simcoe is going be directly replicated by route 901 PULSE Simcoe, the service will be identical but operated by 8 new PULSE Buses coming this year (7104-7111 presumably).

Then there's some "Innovations"

In June PWTransit will be providing a pilot service using an autonomous shuttle between Whitby GO and Port of Whitby, replacing that part of the 922.

In April, Metrolinx and DRT will launch a "Premium" OnDemand service for passengers travelling to and from Pickering GO to anywhere in Pickering, south of Taunton Road.  Not quite sure what makes it premium.

Overall, what a great year for DRT, super exited to see the 200z, 901 and 902, but sad to see all the service decreases, but you gotta fund the service somehow. 

Link to the report here: https://calendar.durham.ca/meetings/Detail/2020-01-08-1330-Transit-Executive-Committee-Meeting/a0942a89-d0c1-44ab-bf92-ab3600f1cfb9

Discuss.

 

I added a more detailed and more accurate version in my recent post 

Not sure which "partner" will be offering the premium OnDemand service. I'm hoping that Facedrive (which is sorta like Uber and Lyft) or RideCo (as it had a similar partnership with Grand River Transit) will offer such a service.

 

As for 223 Bayly, I wonder how the Saturday service west of Ajax GO will play a role....

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8 minutes ago, FutureHeartsJunkie said:

As for 223 Bayly, I wonder how the Saturday service west of Ajax GO will play a role....

Durham Live at Squire Beach Road will likely be a significant ridership generator, that’s actually mentioned further up in the report.

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I live south of Taunton, North of Rossland and between Anderson and Garden. The 312 re-route will help in my area, the elimination of the 304 Peak hour short turns is a little annoying and may become an issue with service reliability the service start an hour later on Sundays isn’t that bad as well the extra trippers on the 915 may help with overcrowding on it. Because the worse time for overcrowding on that route is between 2 and 5pm because the 2 High Schools along the route Maxwell Heights H.S. And Sinclair S.S. get out and most classes at DC and Ontario Tech finish it will be the busiest non-PULSE route after the 401 and 402 are converted to BRT as well it can get unreliable at times because there will be 2 busses within 2-4 minutes and then there won’t another one for another 25min. Service reliability needs to be addressed on the 915 

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1 hour ago, John Oke said:

I live south of Taunton, North of Rossland and between Anderson and Garden. The 312 re-route will help in my area, the elimination of the 304 Peak hour short turns is a little annoying and may become an issue with service reliability the service start an hour later on Sundays isn’t that bad as well the extra trippers on the 915 may help with overcrowding on it. Because the worse time for overcrowding on that route is between 2 and 5pm because the 2 High Schools along the route Maxwell Heights H.S. And Sinclair S.S. get out and most classes at DC and Ontario Tech finish it will be the busiest non-PULSE route after the 401 and 402 are converted to BRT as well it can get unreliable at times because there will be 2 busses within 2-4 minutes and then there won’t another one for another 25min. Service reliability needs to be addressed on the 915 

I should clarify that I checked with DRT and the 902 will not be a PULSE route

only the 900 and the 901 for now

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On 1/3/2020 at 12:35 PM, 110B West Pickering said:

Durham Live at Squire Beach Road will likely be a significant ridership generator, that’s actually mentioned further up in the report.

Thanks for your reply.

It would have been nice - if transit service was offered along Lakeridge Rd. That way, it would have made commuting to/from the ski resorts (i.e. Dagmar, Skyloft, Lakeridge) much easier. Until then, you will have to find an Uber or Lyft to/from the resorts. Only problem is, not all Uber/Lyft drivers aren't willing to take the long commute there (especially with someone with ski/snowboard gear). My only (hopeful) solution is this - post a ride using a service like Poparide or Kangaride.

Which reminds me - for the "premium" OnDemand ride service pilot in Pickering, these are the potential "candidates" for the providers will be:

  • Poparide
  • Kangaride
  • RideCo
  • Facedrive

I would have added Uber to the list (as they had a similar case in Innisfil), but I prefer adding something that is operated by a "local" and "all-Canadian" provider.

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18 minutes ago, FutureHeartsJunkie said:

Thanks for your reply.

It would have been nice - if transit service was offered along Lakeridge Rd. That way, it would have made commuting to/from the ski resorts (i.e. Dagmar, Skyloft, Lakeridge) much easier. Until then, you will have to find an Uber or Lyft to/from the resorts. Only problem is, not all Uber/Lyft drivers aren't willing to take the long commute there (especially with someone with ski/snowboard gear). My only (hopeful) solution is this - post a ride using a service like Poparide or Kangaride.

Which reminds me - for the "premium" OnDemand ride service pilot in Pickering, these are the potential "candidates" for the providers will be:

  • Poparide
  • Kangaride
  • RideCo
  • Facedrive

I would have added Uber to the list (as they had a similar case in Innisfil), but I prefer adding something that is operated by a "local" and "all-Canadian" provider.

OnDemand on route 651 Uxbridge is offered to Dagmar, Skyloft and Lakeridge.

 

as for Premium OnDemand, I’ve asked my contact at DRT about it, otherwise I’ll ask about it at my next Transit Advisory Committee Meeting on the 21st.

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1 hour ago, 110B West Pickering said:

OnDemand on route 651 Uxbridge is offered to Dagmar, Skyloft and Lakeridge.

 

as for Premium OnDemand, I’ve asked my contact at DRT about it, otherwise I’ll ask about it at my next Transit Advisory Committee Meeting on the 21st.

Only problem is, those coming from the southern part (south of Taunton that is) are "so out of luck".  Didn't know 651 Uxbridge serves that locale. As for the scheduling if the 651 operates on the weekends - I just don't know.

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48 minutes ago, FutureHeartsJunkie said:

Only problem is, those coming from the southern part (south of Taunton that is) are "so out of luck".  Didn't know 651 Uxbridge serves that locale. As for the scheduling if the 651 operates on the weekends - I just don't know.

I suppose you are right about south of Taunton, you’d have to get to Uxbridge first.

the 651 operates 5-8 on weekdays and 9-5 on weekends

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3 hours ago, 110B West Pickering said:

OnDemand on route 651 Uxbridge is offered to Dagmar, Skyloft and Lakeridge.

 

as for Premium OnDemand, I’ve asked my contact at DRT about it, otherwise I’ll ask about it at my next Transit Advisory Committee Meeting on the 21st.

I realized that there's one other provider that is a potential candidate - Via (not to be confused with the train).

 

1 hour ago, 110B West Pickering said:

I suppose you are right about south of Taunton, you’d have to get to Uxbridge first.

the 651 operates 5-8 on weekdays and 9-5 on weekends

It wouldn't be ideal for someone with ski/snowboard gear to take the GO bus to Uxbridge and catch the meeting point for the 651 (and back)!

Until DRT can offer "plans" for the future to expand OnDemand service south of Taunton, I guess that I have to Uber or Lyft to the ski resorts (or find someone to take me).

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6113 still haves the Happy Holidays wrap on it saw it yesterday on the 915

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Still with my thought on the OnDemand service in the northern part of Durham Region - if DRT wanted to invest heavily on expanding their OnDemand service boundaries to serve the "edge" of Taunton Rd., then they need to organize consultations.

It would have been nice for me to organize a "petition" demand DRT to expand the OnDemand boundaries but sadly, petitions are often get "silenced".

I always wanted to check out the Dagmar, Skyloft and Lakeridge ski resorts as part of my bucket list, but until DRT get serious about expanding the popularity of their OnDemand service, I will have to take an Uber/Lyft to and from the ski resorts (regrettably, not all the drivers aren't willing to take the extra length for the convenience of transporting someone with ski/snowboarding gear and so on...) or let someone take me there.

Posted from my Samsung Galaxy S9

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12 hours ago, FutureHeartsJunkie said:

Still with my thought on the OnDemand service in the northern part of Durham Region - if DRT wanted to invest heavily on expanding their OnDemand service boundaries to serve the "edge" of Taunton Rd., then they need to organize consultations.

It would have been nice for me to organize a "petition" demand DRT to expand the OnDemand boundaries but sadly, petitions are often get "silenced".

I always wanted to check out the Dagmar, Skyloft and Lakeridge ski resorts as part of my bucket list, but until DRT get serious about expanding the popularity of their OnDemand service, I will have to take an Uber/Lyft to and from the ski resorts (regrettably, not all the drivers aren't willing to take the extra length for the convenience of transporting someone with ski/snowboarding gear and so on...) or let someone take me there.

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My step mom's family used to own Dagmar Resort before they sold it off in the late 2000's. They were consulted on a similar concept pitched by APTA. Dagmar put out a survey that garnered little support, causing the service to never get off the ground. It's an interesting idea, and while I support it, I don't believe it's feasible at this point in time. Most people that ski + snowboard tend to prefer driving their own vehicles.

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8512, 8577, and 8981 are the first the buses to pilot the new PRESTO Devices.

interesting that they’re all Whitby units considering their recent fleet shortage, which is now reached a level of 12 buses. 
 

saying that, they might decide to order some the Hybrids and Electrics May end up being growth rather than replacements. Total 19 buses

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On 1/23/2020 at 11:36 AM, 110B West Pickering said:

8512, 8577, and 8981 are the first the buses to pilot the new PRESTO Devices.

interesting that they’re all Whitby units considering their recent fleet shortage, which is now reached a level of 12 buses. 
 

saying that, they might decide to order some the Hybrids and Electrics May end up being growth rather than replacements. Total 19 buses

Do you have any pictures of how these devices are installed?

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2 hours ago, Jan Boic said:

Do you have any pictures of how these devices are installed?

8512 and 8981 just re-entered service yesterday, I don’t yet have photos of them, but I’ll let you know if I find any Jan.

Does Oakville have any yet? 

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13 minutes ago, 110B West Pickering said:

8512 and 8981 just re-entered service yesterday, I don’t yet have photos of them, but I’ll let you know if I find any Jan.

Does Oakville have any yet? 

Was talking to an Oakville Op yesterday and apparently not yet, these will be installed later this year. 

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19 hours ago, 110B West Pickering said:

8512 and 8981 just re-entered service yesterday, I don’t yet have photos of them, but I’ll let you know if I find any Jan.

Does Oakville have any yet? 

The installation is delayed. We have one in the training department, but i'm not sure if we have any devices on the property to be installed on any buses yet. We will have two buses for now. It was supposed to be 10 but it has changed... could change again though. Install should start mid-February.

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DRT is now leasing at least on Ex-Miway D40LF.  DRT 1001 is operating in Whitby during their fleet shortage.

The bus is on lease to Durham Region Transit not Pacific Western, but is still being stored at the Whitby facility.

It does not have INIT or PRESTO

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5 minutes ago, 110B West Pickering said:

DRT is now leasing at least on Ex-Miway D40LF.  DRT 1001 is operating in Whitby during their fleet shortage.

The bus is on lease to Durham Region Transit not Pacific Western, but is still being stored at the Whitby facility.

It does not have INIT or PRESTO

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Of course the one day I’ll be running late for school this bus will show up on the 303 and I’ll won’t be able to use my presto

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8 minutes ago, 110B West Pickering said:

DRT is now leasing at least on Ex-Miway D40LF.  DRT 1001 is operating in Whitby during their fleet shortage.

The bus is on lease to Durham Region Transit not Pacific Western, but is still being stored at the Whitby facility.

It does not have INIT or PRESTO

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Did you happen to get the VIN or find out the former number?

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1 hour ago, 110B West Pickering said:

DRT is now leasing at least on Ex-Miway D40LF.  DRT 1001 is operating in Whitby during their fleet shortage.

The bus is on lease to Durham Region Transit not Pacific Western, but is still being stored at the Whitby facility.

It does not have INIT or PRESTO

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Jordan, that bus is ex-Mississauga Transit #0337. Owned by MBTC of Mississauga. They purchased a few of these 03s and this one is the only repainted unit so far that I know about, which operated in Stratford for a short while. 
 

I just got an update that there should be 4 leased buses. The reason for the leased buses is the region is having major issues with the Whitby contractor. At the moment, they have quite a number of buses out of service they haven’t been able to fix. As a result they have “borrowed” half dozen or more buses from Oshawa, and Oshawa has been using Pulse buses daily on local routes. 
 

This information is from a reliable source/friend. 

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7 minutes ago, Jan Boic said:

Jordan, that bus is ex-Mississauga Transit #0337. Owned by MBTC of Mississauga. They purchased a few of these 03s and this one is the only repainted unit so far that I know about, which operated in Stratford for a short while. 
 

just got an update that there should be 4 leased buses. 

Thanks for the confirmation.

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