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A couple of technical questions - how do Presto readers mounted in the passenger areas of buses and streetcars communicate to the 'main' unit on the vehicle?  Are they wired or is it wireless technology?  I'd also be curious if there were difficulties or not in setting up the interior readers on older vehicles.  

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It has happened, actually. I've had it denied with the red X in the front (of a bus), but the rear one read fine. And later I've seen people tap on the front reader and it accepted just fine. One rath

Not my job= not caring.

Don’t think so. There was a VISION unit yesterday on Greenwood and it recorded my tap at Birchmount garage instead of my usual stop.

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5 hours ago, RailBus63 said:

A couple of technical questions - how do Presto readers mounted in the passenger areas of buses and streetcars communicate to the 'main' unit on the vehicle?  Are they wired or is it wireless technology?  I'd also be curious if there were difficulties or not in setting up the interior readers on older vehicles.  

Ethernet cables run through the stanchions, then up into the ceiling. Easy peasy from there.

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On 9/14/2019 at 7:09 PM, Bus_Medic said:

Separate.

Interesting. It would have been cool if the readers & cameras were PoE+ powered from a central switch. Maybe the cameras are, as security cameras have long been available in PoE powered form.

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17 hours ago, MK78 said:

Interesting. It would have been cool if the readers & cameras were PoE+ powered from a central switch. Maybe the cameras are, as security cameras have long been available in PoE powered form.

I don't think it's necessary. They are professionally installing wires and all would be hidden away. I don't see an advantage here.

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22 hours ago, MK78 said:

Interesting. It would have been cool if the readers & cameras were PoE+ powered from a central switch. Maybe the cameras are, as security cameras have long been available in PoE powered form.

It's kind of six for one, half a dozen the other for the most part, isn't it?

Personally, and this is just my practical experience as systems technologist speaking, I've found it preferable to be able to power up devices independently of the network particularly in no-network problem situations for troubleshooting purposes vs. completely dead and blind when the network and power are on the same line from the same point of origin which creates multiple single points of total failure.

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35 minutes ago, MK78 said:

Ah, so the cameras are analog. Interesting.

Of course because that’s what co-axial cable means, right?

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And that’s how it’s recorded too, right?

Cripes, I know I’m getting old, but sending digital video down coax cable’s been pretty common since the early nineties.

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Not necessarily.  Truthfully, I honestly thought, in this day and age, any new security camera installation would be digital over IP using ethernet, not any of the serial digital formats, or data down a coax LAN connection, and definitely not NTSC/PAL.  Analog video gives me nightmares from a previous job I had.   Jeez, I was a kid back then.  I've had that tape manual so long the binding spiral fell apart when I pulled it out for that picture.

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Finally a sensible move from Metrolinx to solve a problem - https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2019/09/16/youll-soon-be-able-to-load-a-new-presto-card-with-only-a-nickel-but-the-card-itself-will-still-set-you-back-6.html

The requirement to have to load $10 on a card, that would never get used (say for someone who always had a TTC pass or a child) was absurd.

Who in their right mind every thought up the minimum $10 requirement?

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7 hours ago, nfitz said:

Finally a sensible move from Metrolinx to solve a problem - https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2019/09/16/youll-soon-be-able-to-load-a-new-presto-card-with-only-a-nickel-but-the-card-itself-will-still-set-you-back-6.html

The requirement to have to load $10 on a card, that would never get used (say for someone who always had a TTC pass or a child) was absurd.

Who in their right mind every thought up the minimum $10 requirement?

You need to take into consideration that this was developed before free rides for children. So kinda makes sense. But they should have thought about the possibility of that or at least taken into consideration.

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24 minutes ago, Shaun said:

You need to take into consideration that this was developed before free rides for children. So kinda makes sense. But they should have thought about the possibility of that or at least taken into consideration.

It may have been, but Presto have been offering passes for some transit agencies now for almost 10 years. And with a pass you don't need cash. So why make them pay $10 you can never spend. You can't even use the money to buy the pass!

I've still not figured out what I'm supposed to do with the $30 or so each on two different kids passes, when GO went to free rides.

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ICAMI (In Case Anyone Had Missed It):
 

Metrolinx is starting a trial that allows users to pay using their credit/debit cards or even their mobile devices next year - once testing is successful. 

Further reading:

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2019/11/04/metrolinx-to-start-trial-that-lets-customers-tap-credit-cards-phones-on-presto-readers-next-year-ceo-says.html
https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/metrolinx-trial-paves-way-for-presto-users-to-tap-with-phones-credit-cards-1.4671495

I still don't know which company/vendor is supplying the new PRESTO Card readers...the ones that I knew out of my head are:

  • Schiedt & Bachmann
  • Vix
  • Thales
  • Genfare
  • Cubic
  • TAG Canada
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18 hours ago, FutureHeartsJunkie said:

I still don't know which company/vendor is supplying the new PRESTO Card readers...the ones that I knew out of my head are:

  • Schiedt & Bachmann
  • Vix
  • Thales
  • Genfare
  • Cubic
  • TAG Canada

Hope it isn't Shit Bachmann... their devices are always have some sort of issue as seen with the TTC numerous times... and now GRT's EasyGO system is also struggling

The Thales readers are pretty reliable out on the other GTA systems

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1 hour ago, Kelvin3157 said:

Hope it isn't Shit Bachmann... their devices are always have some sort of issue as seen with the TTC numerous times... and now GRT's EasyGO system is also struggling

The Thales readers are pretty reliable out on the other GTA systems

I don't care which company will supply... I just want the balance to be displayed on the machine like the GO, Miway. It is so stupid that we can't check our balance directly from the device in the vehicle. 

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3 hours ago, Kelvin3157 said:

Hope it isn't Shit Bachmann... their devices are always have some sort of issue as seen with the TTC numerous times... and now GRT's EasyGO system is also struggling

The Thales readers are pretty reliable out on the other GTA systems

Ottawa had massive teething issues with the S&B readers, but they were ironed out pretty quickly and have been fairly reliable ever since. It's pretty rare that I see a non-functioning reader here now. It's interesting that Toronto seems to be struggling so much with the same readers.

21 hours ago, FutureHeartsJunkie said:

ICAMI (In Case Anyone Had Missed It):
 

Metrolinx is starting a trial that allows users to pay using their credit/debit cards or even their mobile devices next year - once testing is successful. 

Further reading:

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2019/11/04/metrolinx-to-start-trial-that-lets-customers-tap-credit-cards-phones-on-presto-readers-next-year-ceo-says.html
https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/metrolinx-trial-paves-way-for-presto-users-to-tap-with-phones-credit-cards-1.4671495

I still don't know which company/vendor is supplying the new PRESTO Card readers...the ones that I knew out of my head are:

  • Schiedt & Bachmann
  • Vix
  • Thales
  • Genfare
  • Cubic
  • TAG Canada

I can't identify who makes that one either. Xerox ACS is another manufacturer for your list, they had the original TTC contract before it was given to PRESTO.

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On 11/11/2019 at 8:35 PM, Flalex72 said:

Ottawa had massive teething issues with the S&B readers, but they were ironed out pretty quickly and have been fairly reliable ever since. It's pretty rare that I see a non-functioning reader here now. It's interesting that Toronto seems to be struggling so much with the same readers.

I can't identify who makes that one either. Xerox ACS is another manufacturer for your list, they had the original TTC contract before it was given to PRESTO.

I thought Xerox spun off it's fare collection/transportation solutions to a new company called "Conduent", no?

 

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27 minutes ago, FutureHeartsJunkie said:

I thought Xerox spun off it's fare collection/transportation solutions to a new company called "Conduent", no?

 

Yes, the ACS stuff now goes by Conduent. They're supplying the new readers for Gatineau's STO, as they did 20 years ago when STO adopted the first contactless farecard in the western hemisphere.

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Ah - my first card clash!

Normally I pull out my card, but I was lazy today, and with the Presto Card right in the first holder in my wallet, I just open the wallet, and tapped the whole thing.

And heard a concession beep instead of a regular one. Normally I have a kids card in my wallet as well - so no damage. But I'd forgotten there was a seniors card in there as well. Oops ... putting that somewhere else now ...

This will only become more of a problem when they get Interac tap enabled.

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Why do you have 3 presto cards in your wallet? :D

Yeah I hope there will be a way to block your debit card from being accepted at presto readers. I don't want errant charges if my wallet is in the vicinity of the reader. I've had the presto card light up before when I was near it, either my phone NFC or other NFC cards in my wallet triggered it.

Will have to get one of those RFID blocker wallets.

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