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If the Tunnel Bus does get a number under these guidelines, hopefully it shouldn't be numbered 610, 615, 620, and 635, as these numbers are already in use by SMART routes across the river (and thus create conversations like "I'm gonna take the 615 to the 31 to the 615").

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On 7/11/2022 at 7:52 PM, MaT said:

To make it easier to read, ill list them like this

100s - Primary
200s - Secondary
300s - Local
400s - Semi-Express
500s - Expressway 
600s - Regional 
700s - School Extras

Sigh.

There's nothing wrong with this system. It's perfectly valid logic.

I wonder, though, for a mid-size system like Transit Windsor, does this overthink the task at hand? And could it backfire?

Sure, a transit geek could see 315 and determine: OK, that's a local route that travels primarily north-south.

But a potential transit customer (i.e. -not- a geek!) could quickly be turned off by such big, bewildering route numbers. Unlike "our" reaction, they may conclude: Route numbers like 105 and 230 and 518X? In this little city? Wow -- transit is awfully confusing. Better stay away...

At some point, it's easier to lean on handful of routes with "easy" numbers (1, 2, 3, etc) instead of hoping that everyone will learn an elaborate coding syntax. Especially when the code contains such technical distinctions as "semi-express" vs "expressway"... "secondary" vs "local".

 

On 7/11/2022 at 7:52 PM, MaT said:

This allows Transit Windsor to follow industry standards for route names. (taken from city of Windsor agenda)

Eh. Why is this a priority? Every transit system is different -- and the audience is local residents/businesses/visitors, not industry insiders.

Transit systems can certainly borrow best practices from each other. Still, transit routes are not a one-size-fits-all product.

Also... which other systems use this "standard"? I can think of only one that kind of comes close: Durham Region Transit. Besides that, transit systems use route numbers that fit their local context.

There's work to be done to clean up Transit Windsor's routes and numbers (like, I always thought it was silly how 1A and 1C both use "1" when they're drastically different routes). This new structure, though? Unclear who Windsor thinks they're impressing...

Thanks for sharing, in any case.

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Apparently it's september 5th they go back to full service according to the TW website. Also the 605 amherstburg route schedule is up in the schedules and maps section of the TW site. No 605 on the "wheres my bus" section yet. I'm sure it will be ready for september

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2 hours ago, 8792 said:

I was on the 401 on Friday morning heading west and just past Brockville I saw Transit Windsor #8060 on delivery.

There were a couple more seen Friday as well; 8049 and 53.

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Also to add, the 1A and the 14 are switching bus bays at WITT on September 4th. Also on September 4th, I think there will be a new system map released, including the 42, 518X and the 605, but im not 100 confirmed on that one, so we'll play it by ear. Also the 605 hopefully should be active on wheres my bus on or before September 4th. I'm checking everything daily. I'm looking forward to a new system map online as well, hopefully they do that too.

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Well, this morning 8031 was the first bus in service on the new 605 on the morning run. I find it funny now too that we have so many bus passes now compared to even 10 years ago. Now we have the normal smart ride cards and smart pass cards, the 2 new regional smart ride and regional smart pass cards, a UPass for UofW students, a SaintsPass for St Clair students. What a change in 10 years! and now the 3 West is no more with the Central 3 being extended later at night. And im pretty sure at least but maybe over a dozen new novas are already on property. Im in the process of getting numbers of the buses that are here. I know 8060 and 8068 are two of them.

EDIT: Forgot to add this has been in the bids and tenders for a while now.

 

RFP 117-22 RFP 117-22, Rebranding Transit Windsor Consultant
Open: (Aug 16, 2022 8:30 AM) EDT Close: (Sep 15, 2022 11:30 AM) EDT
117-22, Letter, TW Rebranding

Electronic bid submissions only, shall be accepted and received by the City on or before the Submission Deadline of THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 15, 2022, at Eleven-Thirty Fifty-Nine (11:30:59) a.m. (E.D.T) through the City’s Bidding System: www.biddingo.com/windsor. Transit Windsor is seeking proposals from Proponents to provide a rebranding study which will likely include a new logo and consistent visual brand for Transit Windsor, which will be guided by the findings of and the momentum generated by the More Than Transit Plan.

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Orion VII's 433 and 428 are retired and currently being auctioned off on GovDeals. 433 looks to still be salvageable, but 428 is probably too far gone.

Also, Nova LFS 559 is retired and being auctioned on GovDeals.

433: https://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?fa=Main.Item&itemid=1174&acctid=5761

428: https://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?fa=Main.Item&itemid=1175&acctid=5761

 

559: https://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?fa=Main.Item&itemid=1176&acctid=5761

 

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Ya all of the 05 novas are already off the road for a while now, plus half the Orion VIIs. Theres only 11 Orion VIIs left in service, all the others are parked alongside the 05 novas with signs on the that say scrap bus, do not touch.

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So there are at least 8 new novas on property, possibly many more. I only have 5 numbers so far confirmed to be delivered. 8049, 8053, 8047, 8060, and 8066. They do not have the new drivers window, still using the old style.

Also some more buses have arrived on Govdeals, 555, 564, 431 and 432.

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2 hours ago, MaT said:

Above link not work just code.

The link below is working.  

https://windsor.ctvnews.ca/windsor-detroit-tunnel-bus-to-resume-service-on-nov-20-1.6094046

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1 hour ago, MaT said:

So I guess the 25 is extra busy today,8023 and 8024 are on it like usual, plus 617!

604 has now replaced 8023, with 617 and 8024 both out there. 8024 appears to be following the scheduled time, with the others spaced out about 10 and 20 min respectively behind 8024.

Given how all three buses are close together, I wonder if there was an earlier breakdown or some other problem, given the schedule only has 1 bus on the route during this time. (EDIT: Both extra buses arrived at St Clair College at 12:20 and 12:30 then went back out for another trip; so seems unrelated to a breakdown/replacement)

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There was an article recently stating that ridership is back to pre covid and a part of that was ridership is still on the rise, it is up 95% - 105%. So there could be a ridership increase on the 25 as well. Or maybe even an event resulting in higher ridership so they added one bus to compensate.

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