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From the environment, transportation and public safety standing committee meeting on january 20th

 

"The town of amherstburg is having conversation around public transit. A proposal from the city of windsor was provided to the town of amherstburg and was fully supported by their council. A public consultation was held and the city of windsor provided a proposal relating to routing, options and alternative route modifications."

"A proposal has been provided to the town of tecumseh. Their current contract expires and we look forward to furthur communication with them to keep the regional aspect moving."

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New route 18 coming in september, east-west express route between Tecumseh mall - devonshire mall - st clair college. (from the new master plan)
From Windsor star article on facebook

 


New east-west student express approved as pilot partnership between city, college
 

The City of Windsor and St. Clair College are hopping aboard a new east-west express bus route as a pilot project, to dramatically trim the two hours it currently takes to ride from east Windsor to the college’s main campus.

Route 18 would start in September to coincide with the start of classes at the college’s South Windsor campus. The 30-minute ride, running from Tecumseh Mall via E.C. Row Expressway to Devonshire Mall and then on to the college, is regarded as the key early component of the Transit Master Plan passed a year ago to double city bus service and ridership.

But it had been left out of the city council proposed 2021 operating budget due to dramatically reduced ridership in the time of COVID-19. During the most recent lockdown, the number of people taking the bus had dropped to 15 per cent of what it was before the start of the pandemic.

“Obviously, we’re in a very challenging time,” Mayor Drew Dilkens said Monday as he revealed a “compromise” solution to the dilemma of following through on Route 18 during a time of severely declining ridership.

“We are plowing millions of dollars into this system to keep it afloat because the revenue stream is way down and I appreciate this looks like we’re digging more of a hole when we already have a big one.”

Last week, the mayor told the Star that while he favoured Route 18, the timing was bad. But over the weekend, he held discussions with college president Patti France, who is keen on having the route to serve her students. The college was willing to finance half the $180,000 cost of a pilot project to test the popularity of Route 18 from the start of classes in September until the end of 2021, he said.

 

The mayor said the college’s student representative council is also passionately behind Route 18. The idea now is to promote the route, collect data on ridership, and use it as an enticement for college students considering the establishment of a universal bus pass for all students, similar to the UPass at the University of Windsor where all students pay about $68 per semester. The UPass has led to rising ridership and increased frequency on multiple bus routes.

“With the partnership opportunity, I’m personally comfortable we can handle this in 2021,” Dilkens said.

The annual cost of Route 18 is about $550,000. The pilot project’s $180,000 cost reflects the cost of running it for four months.

Ward 1 Coun. Fred Francis, who was approached by France over the weekend and connected her with the mayor, credited the college president’s intervention.

“This is a pretty good compromise,” he said. Council approved the pilot project unanimously.

“I think it’s a great decision we’re making here today,” said Ward 9 Coun. Kieran McKenzie, who chairs the city’s transit advisory committee.

“I think it’s important for us to remember we’re just coming out of a lockdown,” he said, predicting that ridership will start rising. “And certainly if school is going to resume in the fall there is going to be significant demand for this route.”

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seen i think 8028 today with a new font on the front destination sign on the ottawa 4. looked very different and stood out compared to the others. And I think they also changed the destination names but I cant remember what it said.

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So had to sit in Windsor for two hours today waiting for my wife so went to the terminal downtown and some interesting things I noticed 

the driver is paired to the bus, ever for a break it seams. The driver unloads and switches his sign to out of service  pulls off to the side and they bring another bus and driver in. When the driver is done his break they go back to the drop off point, switch the sign over and load. 
 

Also 444 showed up and thought it was odd as there was usually 3-4 busses sitting around with not in service(some for an hour). Then the guy got out, had big orange gloves on and cleaning supplies. When a bus was sitting out while the driver was on lunch he would go in and wipe down everything. Even if the bus was sitting idle he would go and give it a quick wipe down. Also like I said there were a lot of buses at times just sitting around idling for awhile(sometimes 5 or more). Transway 1C had 7 different buses come through but never had more than 10 people on at a time. 4 Ottawa was the same with 5 buses. You would figure with less people and less traffic they wouldn’t need so many buses to keep up times. 

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1 hour ago, PHATMATT51 said:

So had to sit in Windsor for two hours today waiting for my wife so went to the terminal downtown and some interesting things I noticed 

the driver is paired to the bus, ever for a break it seams. The driver unloads and switches his sign to out of service  pulls off to the side and they bring another bus and driver in. When the driver is done his break they go back to the drop off point, switch the sign over and load. 
 

Also 444 showed up and thought it was odd as there was usually 3-4 busses sitting around with not in service(some for an hour). Then the guy got out, had big orange gloves on and cleaning supplies. When a bus was sitting out while the driver was on lunch he would go in and wipe down everything. Even if the bus was sitting idle he would go and give it a quick wipe down. Also like I said there were a lot of buses at times just sitting around idling for awhile(sometimes 5 or more). Transway 1C had 7 different buses come through but never had more than 10 people on at a time. 4 Ottawa was the same with 5 buses. You would figure with less people and less traffic they wouldn’t need so many buses to keep up times. 

In terms of drivers keeping their bus on their break, it's probably to avoid having to change off drivers (and therefore have them interact and get in close contact with each other). Other cities have adopted similar practices. As you mentioned, because ridership is low and service is reduced, Transit Windsor has more vehicles available, which allows for a couple extras on the road at any given time to accommodate driver breaks.

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On 4/30/2021 at 7:51 PM, PHATMATT51 said:

So had to sit in Windsor for two hours today waiting for my wife so went to the terminal downtown and some interesting things I noticed 

the driver is paired to the bus, ever for a break it seams. The driver unloads and switches his sign to out of service  pulls off to the side and they bring another bus and driver in. When the driver is done his break they go back to the drop off point, switch the sign over and load. 
 

Also 444 showed up and thought it was odd as there was usually 3-4 busses sitting around with not in service(some for an hour). Then the guy got out, had big orange gloves on and cleaning supplies. When a bus was sitting out while the driver was on lunch he would go in and wipe down everything. Even if the bus was sitting idle he would go and give it a quick wipe down. Also like I said there were a lot of buses at times just sitting around idling for awhile(sometimes 5 or more). Transway 1C had 7 different buses come through but never had more than 10 people on at a time. 4 Ottawa was the same with 5 buses. You would figure with less people and less traffic they wouldn’t need so many buses to keep up times. 

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The bus sitting at the corner of Chatham St. & Church St. is were an person is located with cleaning supplies and gloves and  cleans the drivers area of a bus at the terminal when they are changing driver's on the route when  the driver's is going on lunch or finish their day. The buses on regular routes do not stay with the driver, buses that stay with the driver are the ones that handle the over loads when the bus on the route is full and the extra bus follows the bus on the route. That is why you will see some buses sitting there for a long time as they only move when needed.  

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https://www.citywindsor.ca/residents/transitwindsor/routes-and-schedules/pages/schedules-and-maps.aspx

 

 

The new 518X(tecumseh mall-devonshire mall-st clair college express route) is up now with the full schedule and route map, starting sept 5th. Also september 5th is when all the city and county routes go back to full service. Still no tunnel service for the time being.

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On 8/17/2021 at 10:59 AM, MaT said:

https://www.citywindsor.ca/residents/transitwindsor/routes-and-schedules/pages/schedules-and-maps.aspx

 

 

The new 518X(tecumseh mall-devonshire mall-st clair college express route) is up now with the full schedule and route map, starting sept 5th. Also september 5th is when all the city and county routes go back to full service. Still no tunnel service for the time being.

Account was approved, so happy I found this forum! ? Really happy to see transit is moving back to full service, and also the 518X getting off the ground too! First step on the new master plan. It looks like next year we should see the first of the new Primary routes as well! (the 12, from Hotel Dieu to Tecumseh Mall)

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On 8/17/2021 at 10:59 AM, MaT said:

The new 518X(tecumseh mall-devonshire mall-st clair college express route) is up now with the full schedule and route map, starting sept 5th. Also september 5th is when all the city and county routes go back to full service. Still no tunnel service for the time being.

I like the new route! Great to see a common-sense use of a freeway for transit service.

I was expecting a limited, weekday-only schedule. Quite a surprise to see full, all-day, seven day service. Will be interesting to see what usage is on a Sunday morning...

One question: how did they possibly arrive at the route designation "518X"?

As best I can tell, that number has no relation to anything! Am I missing some esoteric Windsor / St Clair College reference, here?

 

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16 hours ago, Border City Transit said:

I like the new route! Great to see a common-sense use of a freeway for transit service.

I was expecting a limited, weekday-only schedule. Quite a surprise to see full, all-day, seven day service. Will be interesting to see what usage is on a Sunday morning...

One question: how did they possibly arrive at the route designation "518X"?

As best I can tell, that number has no relation to anything! Am I missing some esoteric Windsor / St Clair College reference, here?

 

The company contracted to plan a new route network had used the number 18 for this new route, for no particular reason, only as a means to identify the route. Transit Windsor must have used it as a reference and added a 5 to it possibly to identify it as an express route, making the 518.

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"Transit Windsor Goes on Hiring Spree, builds new shelters and adds new routes" https://windsorstar.com/news/local-news/transit-windsor-goes-on-hiring-spree-builds-new-shelters-and-adds-new-routes

While there is mention of the 24 new buses and the 518X, there is also mention of a new express route called the 418X, which would connect Tecumseh Mall to the Lancer Centre and west-end terminal. This looks to be the second of the proposed express routes in the master plan (where it's called Route 16). Two differences: first, it looks like the current east terminus is Tecumseh Mall, whereas the master plan mentions the proposed hospital site as the east terminus (which makes sense). Second, instead of using E.C. Row, the article mentions service would go along Tecumseh Rd? I'm not sure if this is just a mistake or not, but I feel the performance of this proposed 418X would not be the same as the 518X since it's not using the highway.

It mentions that council will "soon prioritize the 418X", so hopefully between now and then it uses the highway :D 

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I noticed 8023(lasalle bus) and 8043(not a lasalle bus) on the 25 today. 8024 must have needed some work done, that or someone screwed up as only 8023 and 8024 are branded to be used on the 25  nothing else!

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9 hours ago, MaT said:

I noticed 8023(lasalle bus) and 8043(not a lasalle bus) on the 25 today. 8024 must have needed some work done, that or someone screwed up as only 8023 and 8024 are branded to be used on the 25  nothing else!

If 8023 or 8024 needs to be serviced then another Nova will be used as a spare.   If you see a New Flyer or a Orion on the 25 then there something wrong.  this route is a Nova only route.

8025 and 8026 was originally planned to be the LaSalle buses with different seats but was changed to 8023 and 8024.    

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On 10/21/2021 at 5:53 PM, Scrabbleship said:

Will they ever resume it or will it be time for private industry to fill the gap?

The news release makes a pretty strong case for why the Tunnel Bus is not running right now.

I cannot see a private operator investing in regularly scheduled tunnel service. There are many costs and complexities -- and, unfortunately, ridership just isn't that high. A private operator wouldn't last two months.

Tunnel Bus will resume. It has weathered other crises -- and always stayed alive. At least on the Windsor side, it's a highly valued service.

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On 10/27/2021 at 9:04 PM, Border City Transit said:

The news release makes a pretty strong case for why the Tunnel Bus is not running right now.

I cannot see a private operator investing in regularly scheduled tunnel service. There are many costs and complexities -- and, unfortunately, ridership just isn't that high. A private operator wouldn't last two months.

Tunnel Bus will resume. It has weathered other crises -- and always stayed alive. At least on the Windsor side, it's a highly valued service.

From what I can tell, the issue is the Canadian government's insistence that PCR tests be provided when crossing the land border. If that ever gets lifted, I can see the Tunnel Bus resuming shortly after.

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On 10/6/2021 at 1:44 PM, MaT said:

I noticed 8023(lasalle bus) and 8043(not a lasalle bus) on the 25 today. 8024 must have needed some work done, that or someone screwed up as only 8023 and 8024 are branded to be used on the 25  nothing else!

Should be nothing strange. A bus is a bus regardless of what wrap it's in for what service. If there's another available, it'll be sub'ed in. No issue.

So what's this about this Tecumesh Road express? 418X? 

And lastly, any news whether or not TW would be participating in the CUTRIC bus trial?

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