Michael Marriott Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 With more routes debuting stacked signs this week, it seems likely that Translink intends to roll it out to all routes. A thread for tracking which routes have been switched over seems useful. Routes switched so far: September 7, 2020 sheet: 10, 119, 151, 325 June 21, 2021 sheet: 41, 128, 228, 229, 323, 406 Early 2022: 555 (switched from multiple exposures to stacked signs) April 4, 2022: 3, 8 (SB trips only) Week of April 9, 2022: 210 (SB trips only), 408 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Express691 Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 yeah 555 started with just 19419 as early as February/early March I believe, then the other double deckers got the new programming in the last 2 weeks I have a balios stacked sign on the 10 taken the day the Burrard Chinook went into service Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ1400 Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 For Surrey routes in my prediction: 310: Landner Trunk 312: 112 street 316: 116 street 319: Scott Road 320: 60 Avenue (Langley only) 321: King George Blvd 324: 132 street 335: 160 street 341: 144 street 342: 56 avenue 364: 64 avenue 375: 152 street 501: Golden Ear way 502: Fraser highway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Express691 Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 We saw already that some routes omit road names such as the 10 mentioned earlier. 320 could very well have 3 exposures by this convention. 320 Guildford to Langley Ctr/Fleetwood 320 Guildford to Surrey Central Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ephrex Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 The network and route design, especially out towards the suburbs, tend to be less conducive to assigning descriptive route names. The 320 is a great example. This is going to have to open up the conversation of whether duplicate route names are to be acceptable, whether branch designations are to be adopted, and whether network designs in the future will take this into account (presumably Surrey gets major changes once the SkyTrain extension opens) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Express691 Posted April 12, 2022 Report Share Posted April 12, 2022 By that convention, the 119 already constitues similar route names with the 19, both sharing the name of "Kingsway". However, despite the 19 retaining the old style exposure, there are trips which do "19 Kingsway to Joyce" and the extremely rare "19 Kingsway to Slocan". A counterargument to that is that the insurance to having similar names is in having the different route numbers as well as to the final destinations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob32189 Posted April 12, 2022 Report Share Posted April 12, 2022 I've been on buses in the UK that had double-stacked destination signs - the top row had the destination itself and the second row had a rotating list of "via x, y, z". Are the Luminators/Axions of Translink able to do such a procedure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cathay 888 Posted April 12, 2022 Report Share Posted April 12, 2022 1 hour ago, bob32189 said: I've been on buses in the UK that had double-stacked destination signs - the top row had the destination itself and the second row had a rotating list of "via x, y, z". Are the Luminators/Axions of Translink able to do such a procedure? Yes, they can do that too, but does Translink willing to follow it all?? Rather than copying the Golden Horseshoe style stack message~~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianc1981 Posted April 13, 2022 Report Share Posted April 13, 2022 I grew up in Vancouver and moved to Toronto in Sept 2000, since then I have moved to several areas and have lived in 5 provinces total, and I think the stacked style signs are the best because it gives more information on the sign. When I moved back to the Vancouver area in 2014 there were lots of changes to routes and service so I was not sure where some buses went. But seeing the stacked signs now I would be able to figure out some of the routes without having to ask drivers where they go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillip Posted April 15, 2022 Report Share Posted April 15, 2022 I don't see a mention of the 408 so I will mention it right now. "408 Garden city To Brighouse stn To Ironwood To Riverport" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Marriott Posted April 15, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2022 The 209 has the stacked signs too. The 209 is just "Mountain Hwy" while the 210 is "Mountain Hwy Exp". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Express691 Posted April 16, 2022 Report Share Posted April 16, 2022 Someone else pointed out a potential issue in which the sign implies that the express part is on Mtn Highway (which it's not technically) Makes me curious about what 211 and peak 214 will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dane Posted April 17, 2022 Report Share Posted April 17, 2022 Yeah that's a really weird naming convention for the 209/210. Wonder what they're trying to describe? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ephrex Posted April 17, 2022 Report Share Posted April 17, 2022 I guess this resolves the question I had about whether TransLink would consider adopting branches or accepting duplicate route names -- appears to be a no for both. The cost, unfortunately, will be some route names that are not intuitive. If branch designations would have been acceptable, there is no reason why the 209 and 210 couldn't be the 209/209X (or E or whatever for express), and both would've been able to share a route name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busmanic92 Posted April 17, 2022 Report Share Posted April 17, 2022 It could be 209 upper Lynn Valley. And then 209 pr code added with express. 209 upper Lynn Valley 209 upper Lynn Valley - express Using the stacked destination sign on front. Just add a exclamation mark or two beside "express" so passengers can understand it's the express form. I have not been on the 209. Yet. But that seems like the best option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCW Metrobus Posted April 20, 2022 Report Share Posted April 20, 2022 On 4/12/2022 at 9:45 AM, Express691 said: By that convention, the 119 already constitues similar route names with the 19, both sharing the name of "Kingsway". However, despite the 19 retaining the old style exposure, there are trips which do "19 Kingsway to Joyce" and the extremely rare "19 Kingsway to Slocan". A counterargument to that is that the insurance to having similar names is in having the different route numbers as well as to the final destinations. If you draw in the comparison to the TTC, an equivalent can be found in the routes that each service different sections of the same road, like the 36 Finch West and 39 Finch East, or the 52 Lawrence West and 54 Lawrence East. The problem is that there are no such cardinal direction designations for Kingsway, and so using East and West to tell apart the 19 and the 119 won't really be helpful. Many of the local routes in Richmond already have precedent to draw upon for route descriptions, as evidenced by the fact that the 408 now uses essentially the same route description that the 401 used before it was split in 2018. 401 One Road to Steveston / One Road to Brighouse Stn (406 follows this pattern, and so could the 402) 403 Three Road to Bridgeport Station / Three Road to Riverport 404 Four Road to Brighouse Stn / Four Road to Riverport 405 Five Road to Ironwood Industrial / Cambie to Knight & Marine (This one would require the bottom half of the stacked text to transition to "via Vulcan" during peak hours; the same also applies to the 407.) 407 Gilbert to Steveston / Bridgeport to Knight & Marine 410 is trickier. I feel like this one should break convention and be called "410 Queensborough Connector / to 22nd St Stn" because while it does provide local service along Cambie, I'd say the link to New West is more significant. Maybe even "410 Hwy 91 Q'boro Cnctr / to 22nd St Stn". The same goes for the 412. It seems pointless to call it "412 Russ Baker Way" because that's not the most important role the route plays. I'd actually be tempted to leave the primary route description as it is, calling it "412 Sea Island South / to YVR South Terminal". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dover5949 Posted April 20, 2022 Report Share Posted April 20, 2022 George you bring up a great name for the 410 heading to 22nd street. But I would have to say using "Q'boro" could possibly confuse a lot of people just my thinking? I'm sure a good portion would understand it would represent "Queensbrough" I would display it "Queensbrough VIA Hwy 91 / to 22nd Street Station Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busmanic92 Posted April 21, 2022 Report Share Posted April 21, 2022 Double stacking: 410 Queensborough Via hwy 91 Second page: To 22nd Street Seems fairly easy to read for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Express691 Posted April 26, 2022 Report Share Posted April 26, 2022 503 has it, but it's only on 15002. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ1400 Posted April 26, 2022 Report Share Posted April 26, 2022 43 minutes ago, Express691 said: 503 has it, but it's only on 15002. wow, i haven't even predict about 503 yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96 Blader Line Posted April 27, 2022 Report Share Posted April 27, 2022 5 hours ago, DJ1400 said: wow, i haven't even predict about 503 yet Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ1400 Posted April 29, 2022 Report Share Posted April 29, 2022 s19142 has stacked sign programming for aldergrove On 4/26/2022 at 12:32 PM, Express691 said: 503 has it, but it's only on 15002. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96 Blader Line Posted April 29, 2022 Report Share Posted April 29, 2022 I know so far that 15009 yet to have as it showed the Langley Sec. destination sign as the normal one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ1400 Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 Double stacked programming for 324 on few units Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Express691 Posted May 30, 2022 Report Share Posted May 30, 2022 Stacked Nova suburban 555 sign this evening (18464) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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