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NFTA Board Meeting is tomorrow. It seems like the proposal is slightly different from those in Remix. (Could be that they were modified). These are the proposal submitted to the board

Some things to note,

 

Routing Changes

2B/C will have two variants, serving both Appletree and Transit Rd, with 2A continuing to only serve all stops up to City Line

8 Main Street will be extended to the Main/Bailey layover area

11 Raintree Island service will be kept. All 11A trips which currently ends at Paramount Loop will be extended to Boulevard Mall

12/13 will not be swapped, but 12 will no longer serve French/Kehr

40 service will be open door on Niagara Street

42 will serve the new Steel site in South Buffalo

44 will remain on its current routing with the Weinburg Campus deviation eliminated

47 will operate via Harlem Rd instead of South Union Rd

49 will service Hopkins Rd instead of Youngs Rd

67,68 Cleveland Hill/George Urban Express service eliminated

Potential Buffalo Bills Express from different parts of Buffalo, Darien Lake service may be restored

 

Frequency

No significant changes in frequency vs today. Some 40 minutes services are converted to 30 minutes services.

19L and 25L will operate all day on weekdays operating every 60!! minutes (which is a complete waste of resources) 

44 service will get weekend service every 120 minutes

There are significant frequency improvements for Niagara Fall Routes (which as they stand currently is useless outside of peak hours)

50 will operate every 80 minutes compared to every 90 today

52 will operate every 60 minutes on both Saturdays and new service will operate on Sunday every 60 minutes, vs every 120-180 minutes today

55 will operate every 70 minutes on weekends instead of every 90 

58 will operate 55 segments between NFTC and BOCCES every 120 minutes. This is also the first time service operated east of NF Airport on weekends

NFTA mentioned having pulse transfers at NF Transit Center and Portage Rd, but with this kind of variation in frequency, I can't seem to understand how it'll work

60,61,64,66 will all have three trips in each direction instead of the current 1-3 trips. Some neighborhood will have more direct service downtown than they do today

I have no idea why they are keeping the 60 even with the new 77 services. 

East Aurora and Orchard Park will keep their highway trips with 3 trips in each direction, up from 1 on the highway today and 1 on local roads

76 Lotus Bay will be renamed 76 Lake Shore and cut to only 4 trips in and out during the peak periods only. Coach USA continue to service this route in its entirely for a lower fare, however its not commuter orientated 

 

Fare Policy Change

New Fare Capping. Passengers will no longer pay more than a 31-day pass

Elimination of the 50 cent surcharge on 60 and 64 service

Implementation of a premium fare for Darien Lake and Bills Express Shuttle

 

Overall thoughts

It seems like passenger either prefer one scenario vs the other, or NFTA have already decided on what they wanted to do with the system already. Passengers prefer more frequent service, yet frequencies especially outside of peak periods are still extremely poor. I can't help but be disappointed, because I have expected major routes to get improvements during off-peak and weekends (like Rochester). Routes like the 3, 5, 19, 20 deserve to get more frequent service than the current 30/40 min headway they receive on weekends. NFTA themselves stated that peak ridership is down and is recovering slower after COVID, yet they continue to emphasize peak frequency while providing crap weekend headways

The way they are implementing the limited service is also completely nonsensical. It is how I suspected they would do it, hence why I didn't support it. All the time savings waiting for a limited service will be eaten up by the wait time. Converting these limited trips into local trips would do passengers much better. Car drivers (NFTA staff) prefer fewer travel times because they don't have to wait for their car in the rain/snow. Bus riders do!

Also, I don't believe NFTA should waste precious resources on transporting people to Darien Lake/Bills Games especially if they can't provide decent service to the people of Erie/Niagara County

The biggest winner here is the Niagara Falls routes. Currently, their weekend service is nonexistent other than the 40, even on their busiest Pine Avenue route. These changes will make things better than the status quo, but it's still a long way for transit to work for the city.

 

 

 

 

July 22, 2021 at 12_30 PM - Regular Board Meeting (1).pdf

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12 hours ago, Rapidbus said:

The way they are implementing the limited service is also completely nonsensical. It is how I suspected they would do it, hence why I didn't support it. All the time savings waiting for a limited service will be eaten up by the wait time. Converting these limited trips into local trips would do passengers much better. Car drivers (NFTA staff) prefer fewer travel times because they don't have to wait for their car in the rain/snow. Bus riders do!

I really want to hear the powers that be explain this version of limited service.

Nobody will delay their travel for 60mins just to potentially save a few minutes of travel time. The time savings on a limited stop route really is end to end; those traveling somewhere in between might not experience any time savings over the local route. This is a "it looks good on paper" style of planning; it looks good to say they have new crosstown limited stop service, but the service isn't actually improving at all.

If there's going to be an limited stop overlay of a route, run the local at reduced frequencies with the limited running at least every 15mins.

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12 hours ago, Rapidbus said:

NFTA Board Meeting is tomorrow. It seems like the proposal is slightly different from those in Remix. (Could be that they were modified). These are the proposal submitted to the board

Some things to note,

 

Routing Changes

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40 service will be open door on Niagara Street

What is not being understood by them is the restricted area between Hertel (BRRTC) and the Downtown core.

I've seen post-COVID buses operating at capacity (or over) during the summer.  Once ridership gets near normal ridership, it's going to be a PITA for the driver that's got to explain that their passenger bound for the Falls will have to wait an hour longer for the next bus, because that's the next scheduled bus.  If they truly wanted to speed things up, make all buses operate the ridiculously numbered "77" express to the BRRTC via the Niagara Thruway.  In between-ers could take the Niagara Street bus to the BRRTC and transfer there.  How about a route "80", in which the buses from Downtown are "40-60-80"?  Previously used by the Outer Harbor Shuttle route, I don't see the confusion of reusing a number.

Created originally as an inter-city route, by Grand Island Transit, the route was never intended to be considered a local route of Buffalo passengers.  Not to forget to mention, a LOCAL bus will make the trip time that much longer (35 vs. 21 minutes).  Where's the time savings??

July 22, 2021 at 12_30 PM - Regular Board Meeting (1).pdf 4.32 MB · 3 downloads

 

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On 7/21/2021 at 10:41 PM, Rapidbus said:

Overall thoughts

It seems like passenger either prefer one scenario vs the other, or NFTA have already decided on what they wanted to do with the system already. Passengers prefer more frequent service, yet frequencies especially outside of peak periods are still extremely poor. I can't help but be disappointed, because I have expected major routes to get improvements during off-peak and weekends (like Rochester). Routes like the 3, 5, 19, 20 deserve to get more frequent service than the current 30/40 min headway they receive on weekends. NFTA themselves stated that peak ridership is down and is recovering slower after COVID, yet they continue to emphasize peak frequency while providing crap weekend headways

The way they are implementing the limited service is also completely nonsensical. It is how I suspected they would do it, hence why I didn't support it. All the time savings waiting for a limited service will be eaten up by the wait time. Converting these limited trips into local trips would do passengers much better. Car drivers (NFTA staff) prefer fewer travel times because they don't have to wait for their car in the rain/snow. Bus riders do!

Also, I don't believe NFTA should waste precious resources on transporting people to Darien Lake/Bills Games especially if they can't provide decent service to the people of Erie/Niagara County

The biggest winner here is the Niagara Falls routes. Currently, their weekend service is nonexistent other than the 40, even on their busiest Pine Avenue route. These changes will make things better than the status quo, but it's still a long way for transit to work for the city.

July 22, 2021 at 12_30 PM - Regular Board Meeting (1).pdf 4.32 MB · 6 downloads

I would think that more frequent service would speed up service a little as well. Taking a bus on a weekend, like on a route such as Elmwood is awful. Having more buses would definitely allow more flexibility for riders, but would also help improve on-time performance. Seems like buses are pretty full, and run late doing two buses worth of work. However, I think some of the challenges that exist would be needing more drivers, and buses for the weekends. I am surprised to read about the Bills Shuttles returning. And I 100% agree with your feelings on that.

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