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here are the two types of busses that have been delivered so far

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A Bluebird Micro Bird by Girardin on Ford Transit 3500.  Fleet numbers will be in the 10-200's

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A Eldorado Advantage on A ford E350 chassis.  Fleet numbers will be in the 10-300's

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On 4/3/2021 at 2:26 AM, Benton Harper said:

here are the two types of busses that have been delivered so far

 

A Bluebird Micro Bird by Girardin on Ford Transit 3500.  Fleet numbers will be in the 10-200's

 

A Eldorado Advantage on A ford E350 chassis.  Fleet numbers will be in the 10-300's

Those are odd. If they are PWT's buses, they do not match their usual fleet numbering system, which applies across all of their subsidiary companies.

It looks closer to the system used by Leduc Transit, but I believe they are operated in-house?

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1 hour ago, Articulated said:

Those are odd. If they are PWT's buses, they do not match their usual fleet numbering system, which applies across all of their subsidiary companies.

It looks closer to the system used by Leduc Transit, but I believe they are operated in-house?

Leduc Transit is operated by PWT.

The numbering is assumed based upon a piece of paper on the windshield of one bus. We'll need to confirm it once the buses are decalled.

PWT has at least two Sprinter based cutaways used as backup for the Leduc fleet (the rest of the Leduc fleet is owned by Leduc/ Leduc County). One decalled as Leduc Transit, the other in PWT decals. Both are PWT's regular fleet numbering scheme.

 

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Sorry if this has been asked already in another thread, little out of the loop. That being said, why was this service which is apart of ETS ( according to the branding ) being contracted out to PWT? 
 

I assume the fare revenue from the on-demand goes to ETS, but a portion surely goes to PWT from the contract awarded.. seems extremely strange that the city opted to contract out within their city and that ATU even allowed this 

 

edit: I see the first 2 years are “free” and you pay when boarding a actual ETS bus 

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ETS didn't have the time and resources to scale up for On Demand with the original tight timelines.

That would have included such things as hiring and training drivers, purchasing buses, and garage space.

As an example, ETS would have to issue a tender for the buses, while a private company can go and buy whatever they want that meets the contract requirements.

The BNR still requires all of ETS's existing drivers, so any drivers for On-Demand would have required hiring new drivers.

One thing with On-Demand is that is a pilot. It could be cancelled, or perhaps more likely, scaled back after 2 years. ETS minimizes their risk by contracting out. They didn't have surplus buses and drivers if it is scaled back, but in 2 years they can purchase and hire exactly what they need. 

I suspect we will see scaling back. Some industrial area now have 7 day service when they were only peak hours before, and it might not make sense to continue weekend service I'd the ridership isn't there, as an example. 

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On 4/8/2021 at 4:19 PM, M. Parsons said:

ETS didn't have the time and resources to scale up for On Demand with the original tight timelines.

That would have included such things as hiring and training drivers, purchasing buses, and garage space.

As an example, ETS would have to issue a tender for the buses, while a private company can go and buy whatever they want that meets the contract requirements.

The BNR still requires all of ETS's existing drivers, so any drivers for On-Demand would have required hiring new drivers.

One thing with On-Demand is that is a pilot. It could be cancelled, or perhaps more likely, scaled back after 2 years. ETS minimizes their risk by contracting out. They didn't have surplus buses and drivers if it is scaled back, but in 2 years they can purchase and hire exactly what they need. 

I suspect we will see scaling back. Some industrial area now have 7 day service when they were only peak hours before, and it might not make sense to continue weekend service I'd the ridership isn't there, as an example. 

Thanks for the detailed response, I had assumed after looking over the redesign that they were either a) be able to reduce run times on runs and reallocate buses or b) have a surplus of spares due to their already expansive interlined network allowing better use per bus. With that possibility out of the question is makes sense why they contracted out for the two years. 
 

personally, I’d like to see more local coverage tied in with the network, each zone on that on demand map could be covered by 1 bus doing a fast paced local after finishing a main line run then interlining to a local.. but I’m sure they have their reasonings for not providing fixed service regardless of covid 

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7 hours ago, ZümmyZüm said:

Thanks for the detailed response, I had assumed after looking over the redesign that they were either a) be able to reduce run times on runs and reallocate buses or b) have a surplus of spares due to their already expansive interlined network allowing better use per bus. With that possibility out of the question is makes sense why they contracted out for the two years. 
 

personally, I’d like to see more local coverage tied in with the network, each zone on that on demand map could be covered by 1 bus doing a fast paced local after finishing a main line run then interlining to a local.. but I’m sure they have their reasonings for not providing fixed service regardless of covid 

ETS currently has a mind boggling amount of interlining, largely thanks to tacking onto the system here and there over the last 20 years. That will change to a degree, but, there is still interlining. The nice thing is though they had a clean slate to start with and from what I've seen, there is less interlining. I suspect the new network has less one way trips, such a school route, or a route with peak service but only in one direction. 

An example of this is the 190 which sees as burst of service from 7:07-8:07 with 6 buses, but in one direction only, and the again from 14:45-15:50 with 5 buses in the opposite direction as the AM The rest of the time it is 30 minutes. The new route in this area is the 118 which from 6:30-8:30ish and then again from 15:30-17:30ish has 15 minute service in both directions.

Therefore, I don't think there's much opportunity to using the existing fleet to provide a fixed route local option. Additionally, that would require a specific addition to the ETS budget to fund those required service hours. Fixed routes were considered while investigating the first mile/ last mile challenge which lead to the On Demand. In some cases the fixed route service was competitive in costing with On Demand. 

However, your comments touch on something that is worthwhile covering.

With the way ETS is running On Demand, some of the zones have so few buses stops, it seems to me it would be feasible to just run the bus on a fixed route. 

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A great example of this would zones H, J, and K. I would imagine at peak times these zones might have a single bus dedicated to them, but, even if at off peak times 1 bus might serve a few zones, and fixed route could still be a thing with predictable schedules. But, on the other hand that could be an advantage of On Demand. If there's no demand, the bus isn't needlessly running around burning fuel. Saves money from fuel and reduced mileage on the vehicle, and better for the environment. 

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*there are at least 10 of the Ford E350 busses and none with any livery yet

here are a few more numbers/plates:

201 A-00740
202 A-00741
203 A-00735
204 A-00736
205 A-00721
206 A-00720
208 A-00727
213 A-00722
214 A-00708
215 A-00709
216 A-00710
217 A-00751
218 A-00752
219 A-00753
220 A-00754
221 A-00807
222 A-00808
223 A-00809
225 A-00811
227 A-07748
228 A-07747
229 A-07746
230 A-07745
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
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Surprised to see A Dodge Ram 2500 Promaster low floor unit today, no idea they were in town

Unit 103 with plate A-07874

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Units 303, 305, 318 in service, 312 at the German Cultural centre

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and here are more units plate numbers

103 A-07874
303 A-00738
305 A-00729
312 A-07787
318 A-10745
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Really, PWT operates the on-demand service, never knew that, well golly gee I'll be damned

The Rams are also probably PWT, suspect a late delivery and the decalling has not been completed.  The license plate does fall into the general blocks we've seen on the 200's and 300's.

I'll let Mike know about Peter and Hayden teaching him about taking pictures, at this point all he said was make sure I get the credit

 

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