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The 45 will likely have its scheduled completely rewritten to have more buses end service at Steeles as well as remove the runs it has that go onto the 300. They could write it to have buses from 45 replace the runs off 46 that go into 396. A 2 minute deadhead from Kipling to Martin Grove is not that significant.

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50 minutes ago, MRD10 said:

Can anyone suspect where the 178 Brimorton will placed?

My guess would be Malvern, since the garage is roughly in the middle of the route. But who knows, maybe McNicoll since it will have much fewer routes.

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On 3/13/2021 at 12:32 PM, Eren Jaeger said:

If anyone may confirm this or not, these will be the Blue Night routes to be serviced next board:

  • 300 BLOOR-DANFORTH - Birchmount, Eglinton, Mount Dennis, Queensway
  • 301 QUEEN - Birchmount, Russell, Mount Dennis 
  • 302 KINGSTON ROAD-McCOWAN - Malvern
  • 304 KING - Leslie, Queensway, Russell
  • 306 CARLTON - Roncesvalles, Eglinton, McNicoll
  • 307 BATHURST - Wilson
  • 310 SPADINA - Leslie
  • 312 ST. CLAIR-JUNCTION - Wilson
  • 315 EVANS-BROWN'S LINE - Queensway
  • 320 YONGE - Eglinton, Mount Dennis, Wilson
  • 322 COXWELL - Birchmount
  • 324 VICTORIA PARK - Birchmount
  • 325 DON MILLS - Eglinton
  • 329 DUFFERIN - Mount Dennis
  • 332 EGLINTON WEST - Mount Dennis
  • 334 EGLINTON EAST - Eglinton
  • 335 JANE - Mount Dennis
  • 336 FINCH WEST - Arrow Road, McNicoll
  • 337 ISLINGTON - Queensway 
  • 339 FINCH EAST - Arrow Road, McNicoll
  • 341 KEELE - Mount Dennis
  • 343 KENNEDY - McNicoll
  • 352 LAWRENCE WEST - Arrow Road
  • 353 STEELES - McNicoll
  • 354 LAWRENCE EAST - Eglinton
  • 363 OSSINGTON - Wilson
  • 365 PARLIAMENT - Birchmount
  • 384 SHEPPARD WEST - Arrow Road
  • 385 SHEPPARD EAST - Malvern
  • 395 YORK MILLS - Malvern
  • 396 WILSON - Mount Dennis

Wilson has a 300 run coming off of 124 next board. 

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8 hours ago, Articulated said:

Except the schedule has been specifically designed to start from the west end. You'd have to redo the route schedule to have buses start earlier from the east end, and that would also result in a later start for eastbound trips.

Yes the biggest issue is the west terminal. If they start at the east end, they'll either have service end earlier on the 96A/B branches west of Martin Grove or duplicate the service with both 96 and 396 running at the same time. The use of 46 buses solves that problem.

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10 hours ago, MRD10 said:

Can anyone suspect where the 178 Brimorton will placed?

Also, does anyone know when they plan to begin service for it?

I would be surprised if it is not Malvern. As mentioned already, it is closest to both ends of the route. Also, I expect that it will have the similar round trip time and service level as the 86D so they'll just be shifting those buses off 86D and onto 178.

9 hours ago, MK78 said:

My guess would be Malvern, since the garage is roughly in the middle of the route. But who knows, maybe McNicoll since it will have much fewer routes.

McNicoll has less routes, but almost all of them are either long and/or along major streets. Therefore, the amount of service operated is similar to the other large divisions like Malvern.

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So when Mount Dennis runs the 89 Weston they would switch drivers at Ray Ave but now since 89 Weston is going to be a Wilson route in 2 weeks I wonder where they would switch drivers... maybe Keele Station or Albion Rd 

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22 hours ago, Young said:

So when Mount Dennis runs the 89 Weston they would switch drivers at Ray Ave but now since 89 Weston is going to be a Wilson route in 2 weeks I wonder where they would switch drivers... maybe Keele Station or Albion Rd 

I've heard Keele Stn

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On 3/15/2021 at 12:24 AM, Young said:

So when Mount Dennis runs the 89 Weston they would switch drivers at Ray Ave but now since 89 Weston is going to be a Wilson route in 2 weeks I wonder where they would switch drivers... maybe Keele Station or Albion Rd 

 

On 3/15/2021 at 10:43 PM, TTC Guy said:

I've heard Keele Stn

Most crews will relieve at Keele Stn. The night bus crew will relieve at Weston and Albion.

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1 hour ago, Young said:

for the first few days seeing Nova Hybrids and Diesels on 52 Lawrence West is gonna be different then the usual Orion buses. I wonder if they’ll dispatch any New Flyer XE40s on the route?

Let's give you a taste of that! (Even through these are Malvern Nova HEVs)

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I think we'll more likely to see XE40's on 952 or PM peak runs. I'll expect the 945 claiming half the XE40's in the morning. Of course the 59 will be were the Orions NGs be found.

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On topic of route movements, I have complied the list of routes before Comstock division opened on March 31, 2002. This is from February 17, 2002 (some may not be accurate):

  • 5 AVENUE ROAD - Eglinton
  • 6 BAY - Eglinton
  • 7 BATHURST - Wilson
  • 8 BROADVIEW - Danforth
  • 9 BELLAMY - Birchmount
  • 10 VAN HORNE - Wilson
  • 11 BAYVIEW - Eglinton 
  • 12 KINGSTON ROAD - Birchmount
  • 14 GLENCAIRN - Eglinton
  • 15 EVANS - Queensway
  • 16 McCOWAN - Birchmount 
  • 17 BIRCHMOUNT - Birchmount
  • 20 CLIFFSIDE - Birchmount 
  • 21 BRIMLEY - Malvern
  • 22 COXWELL - Danforth
  • 23 DAWES - Birchmount
  • 24 VICTORIA PARK - Birchmount
  • 25 DON MILLS - Danforth
  • 26 DUPONT - Queensway 
  • 28 DAVISVILLE - Eglinton
  • 29 DUFFERIN - Wilson
  • 30 LAMBTON - Queensway
  • 31 GREENWOOD - Danforth
  • 32 EGLINTON WEST - Eglinton/Queensway
  • 33 FOREST HILL - Eglinton
  • 34 EGLINTON EAST - Birchmount/Eglinton
  • 35 JANE - Arrow Road
  • 36 FINCH WEST - Arrow Road
  • 37 ISLINGTON - Arrow Road/Queensway
  • 38 HIGHLAND CREEK - Malvern
  • 39 FINCH EAST - Malvern
  • 40 JUNCTION - Queensway
  • 41 KEELE - Arrow Road
  • 42 CUMMER - Wilson
  • 43 KENNEDY - Birchmount
  • 44 KIPLING SOUTH - Queensway
  • 45 KIPLING - Arrow Road/Queensway
  • 46 MARTIN GROVE - Arrow Road
  • 47 LANSDOWNE - Wilson
  • 48 RATHBURN - Queensway
  • 49 BLOOR WEST - Queensway
  • 50 BURNHAMTHORPE - Queensway
  • 51 LESLIE - Eglinton
  • 52 LAWRENCE WEST - Queensway/Wilson
  • 53 STEELES EAST - Malvern
  • 54 LAWRENCE EAST - Eglinton/Malvern
  • 55 WARREN PARK - Queensway
  • 56 LEASIDE - Eglinton
  • 57 MIDLAND - Danforth
  • 58 MALTON - Wilson
  • 59 MAPLE LEAF - Arrow Road
  • 60 STEELES WEST - Arrow Road/Wilson
  • 61 AVENUE ROAD NORTH - Eglinton
  • 62 MORTIMER - Danforth
  • 63 OSSINGTON - Wilson
  • 64 MAIN - Birchmount
  • 65 PARLIAMENT - Danforth
  • 66 PRINCE EDWARD - Queensway
  • 67 PHARMACY - Birchmount 
  • 68 WARDEN - Birchmount
  • 69 WARDEN SOUTH - Birchmount 
  • 70 O’CONNOR - Birchmount
  • 71 RUNNYMEDE - Queensway
  • 72 PAPE - Danforth
  • 73 ROYAL YORK - Queensway
  • 74 MOUNT PLEASANT - Eglinton
  • 75 SHERBOURNE - Danforth
  • 76 ROYAL YORK SOUTH - Queensway
  • 77 SWANSEA - Queensway/Wilson
  • 78 ST. ANDREWS - Wilson
  • 79 SCARLETT ROAD - Wilson
  • 80 QUEENSWAY - Queensway
  • 81 THORNCLIFFE PARK - Danforth
  • 82 ROSEDALE - Danforth
  • 83 JONES - Danforth
  • 84 SHEPPARD WEST - Arrow Road
  • 85 SHEPPARD EAST - Malvern
  • 86 SCARBOROUGH - Birchmount
  • 87 COSBURN - Danforth
  • 88 SOUTH LEASIDE - Eglinton
  • 89 WESTON - Arrow Road
  • 90 VAUGHAN - Eglinton
  • 91 WOODBINE - Danforth
  • 92 WOODBINE SOUTH - Danforth
  • 93 EXHIBITION EAST - Wilson
  • 94 WELLESLEY - Danforth
  • 95 YORK MILLS - Malvern
  • 96 WILSON - Arrow Road
  • 97 YONGE - Eglinton 
  • 98 WILLOWDALE-SENLAC - Wilson
  • 99 ARROW ROAD - Arrow Road
  • 100 FLEMINGDON PARK - Danforth
  • 102 MARKHAM ROAD - Malvern
  • 103 MOUNT PLEASANT NORTH - Eglinton
  • 104 FAYWOOD - Wilson
  • 105 DUFFERIN NORTH - Wilson
  • 106 YORK UNIVERSITY - Arrow Road
  • 107 KEELE NORTH - Arrow Road
  • 108 DOWNSVIEW - Arrow Road
  • 109 RANEE - Wilson
  • 110 ISLINGTON SOUTH - Arrow Road/Queensway
  • 111 EAST MALL - Queensway
  • 112 WEST MALL - Queensway
  • 113 DANFORTH - Birchmount
  • 115 SILVER HILLS - Wilson
  • 116 MORNINGSIDE - Birchmount
  • 117 ALNESS - Wilson
  • 120 CALVINGTON - Arrow Road
  • 122 GRAYDON HALL - Wilson
  • 123 SHORNCLIFFE - Queensway
  • 124 SUNNYBROOK - Wilson
  • 125 DREWRY - Wilson
  • 126 CHRISTIE - Eglinton
  • 127 DAVENPORT - Eglinton
  • 129 McCOWAN NORTH - Malvern
  • 130 MIDDLEFIELD - Malvern
  • 131 NUGGET - Malvern
  • 132 MILNER - Malvern
  • 133 NEILSON - Malvern
  • 134 PROGRESS - Malvern
  • 135 GERRARD - Birchmount
  • 139 HUNTINGWOOD - Malvern
  • 141 DOWNTOWN/MOUNT PLEASANT EXPRESS - Eglinton
  • 142 DOWNTOWN/AVENUE ROAD EXPRESS - Eglinton
  • 143 DOWNTOWN/BEACH EXPRESS - Birchmount 
  • 144 DOWNTOWN/DON VALLEY EXPRESS - Wilson
  • 160 BATHURST NORTH - Wilson
  • 161 ROGERS ROAD - Wilson
  • 162 LAWRENCE-DONWAY - Eglinton
  • 165 WESTON ROAD NORTH - Arrow Road
  • 191 HIGHWAY 27 ROCKET - Arrow Road
  • 192 AIRPORT ROCKET - Eglinton
  • 196 YORK UNIVERSITY ROCKET - Wilson
  • 300 BLOOR-DANFORTH - Danforth/Queensway
  • 301 QUEEN - Roncesvalles/Russell
  • 302 DANFORTH ROAD-McCOWAN - Birchmount
  • 303 DON MILLS - Danforth
  • 305 EGLINTON EAST - Eglinton
  • 306 CARLTON - Roncesvalles/Russell
  • 307 EGLINTON WEST - Queensway/Wilson
  • 308 FINCH EAST - Arrow Road/Malvern
  • 309 FINCH WEST - Arrow Road/Malvern
  • 310 BATHURST - Wilson
  • 311 ISLINGTON - Arrow Road/Queensway
  • 312 ST. CLAIR - Arrow Road
  • 313 JANE - Arrow Road
  • 316 OSSINGTON - Wilson
  • 319 WILSON - Arrow Road
  • 320 YONGE - Eglinton/Wilson
  • 321 YORK MILLS - Malvern
  • 322 COXWELL - Birchmount
  • 324 VICTORIA PARK - Birchmount
  • 329 DUFFERIN - Wilson
  • 400 LAWRENCE MANOR - Lakeshore
  • 402 PARKDALE - Lakeshore
  • 403 SOUTH DON MILLS - Lakeshore
  • 404 EAST YORK - Lakeshore
  • 501 QUEEN - Roncesvalles/Russell
  • 502 DOWNTOWNER - Russell
  • 503 KINGSTON ROAD - Russell
  • 504 KING - Roncesvalles/Russell
  • 505 DUNDAS - Roncesvalles/Russell
  • 506 CARLTON - Roncesvalles/Russell
  • 508 LAKE SHORE - Roncesvalles
  • 509 HARBOURFRONT - Roncesvalles
  • 510 SPADINA - Russell
  • 511 BATHURST - Roncesvalles 
  • 512 ST. CLAIR - Roncesvalles 
  • 601 BLOOR-DANFORTH - Danforth
  • 602 YONGE-UNIVERSITY-SPADINA - Wilson
  • 603 SCARBOROUGH RT - Danforth
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The 191/927 has been operating for almost 30 years from Arrow Rd going from some rush hour commuter route to a frequent route for regular riders. Definitely a beginning of a new era.

 

In 2022/23,  we would likely see another major route movement as the Crosstown/Finch West LRTs open up. Maybe Mt Dennis would take the 52 back after the 32 boil down to 8 or so runs west of Mt Dennis Station, one bus for the 170 Emmett and 4 or so buses on the 58 Trethewey. Finch would just be left with the 1 bus looping around Milvan.

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Interestingly the 396 Wilson Night bus is actually split with 2 runs from Mt Dennis (927 Highway 27 Express) and 1 run from Arrow (96 Wilson) which is currently done by 46 Martin Grove. The tripper westbound at 1:45am from York Mills Station is still being done by Arrow (96 Wilson) while the morning tripping westbound at 5:05am is done by 45 Kipling, currently done by 46 Martin Grove.

 

Also one of the 329 run is being done by 927 deadheading from Steeles/Martin Grove to Dufferin.

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21 minutes ago, Young said:

Do the new route changes start at 12AM or 9am?

They will start once the last bus ends their shift, so 3am. But with Sunday service, most routes start at around 8am, so expect to see them out by then.

I'm not sure about Blue Night service, but I assume the change would occur tomorrow night.

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On 3/26/2021 at 6:16 AM, Xtrazsteve said:

Interestingly the 396 Wilson Night bus is actually split with 2 runs from Mt Dennis (927 Highway 27 Express) and 1 run from Arrow (96 Wilson) which is currently done by 46 Martin Grove. The tripper westbound at 1:45am from York Mills Station is still being done by Arrow (96 Wilson) while the morning tripping westbound at 5:05am is done by 45 Kipling, currently done by 46 Martin Grove.

 

Also one of the 329 run is being done by 927 deadheading from Steeles/Martin Grove to Dufferin.

There’s also the 320 YONGE NIGHT and 300 BLOOR-DANFORTH NIGHT. McNicoll is also doing these two routes as well given they inherit from their previous divisions.

300 BLOOR-DANFORTH BLUE NIGHT
- Monday-Friday: 1 run from 43 (40), 1 run from 57 (78), 1 run from 68 (67)
- Saturday: -
- Sunday: 3 runs from 43 (42, 44, 62)

320 YONGE BLUE NIGHT
- Monday-Friday: 2 runs from 51 (58, 90)
- Saturday: 1 run from 51 (46)
- Sunday: 1 run from 42 (41)

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3 hours ago, Young said:

Do the new route changes start at 12AM or 9am?

It starts with whatever runs are scheduled for Sunday. So late blue night trips would be from the old division but early morning trips are from the new division. So around 5am you'll see Wilson operated 352 buses going home while Arrow operated 52A buses starting to appear. 

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With all the route movement Arrow Road only as 2  North -South route 45 and 945 to the Bloor subway Line thats pretty strange . Since 2008 to now arrow road has lost the 89 , 35 , 935, 41 , 37 , 46 and 927 .

To me the 35 / 935  Jane is hardest to see running out of different garage.

Who ever picked these routes to be moved around i am guessing has never driven or rode these routes the 52 and 89 what were they thinking Lol

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1 hour ago, dre said:

With all the route movement Arrow Road only as 2  North -South route 45 and 945 to the Bloor subway Line thats pretty strange . Since 2008 to now arrow road has lost the 89 , 35 , 935, 41 , 37 , 46 and 927 .

To me the 35 / 935  Jane is hardest to see running out of different garage.

Who ever picked these routes to be moved around i am guessing has never driven or rode these routes the 52 and 89 what were they thinking Lol

927 HIGHWAY 27 EXPRESS is even operating Orion VII hybrids since Arrow Rd used to. Because the batteries on both of their OG and NG buses may still face challenges while running on high speeds on the 427, would that be feasible if Queensway transfers some of their 79xxs (#7965-#7979) to Mount Dennis? It would be similar to how the #76xxs and #79xxs moved to Arrow when Mount Dennis opened so they can use diesels on 191.

Another option would be the transfer of some LFS HEVs to Mount Dennis since they improve better on highways.

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1 hour ago, dre said:

With all the route movement Arrow Road only as 2  North -South route 45 and 945 to the Bloor subway Line thats pretty strange . Since 2008 to now arrow road has lost the 89 , 35 , 935, 41 , 37 , 46 and 927 .

To me the 35 / 935  Jane is hardest to see running out of different garage.

Who ever picked these routes to be moved around i am guessing has never driven or rode these routes the 52 and 89 what were they thinking Lol

The 927 and 35/935 moved cause they want to operated artics on them. MtD is designed to operated more artics than Arrow Rd.

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41 minutes ago, Xtrazsteve said:

The 927 and 35/935 moved cause they want to operated artics on them. MtD is designed to operated more artics than Arrow Rd.

Right now, Mount Dennis has 37 artic buses while Arrow Rd has 36 artic buses. Today, most of the artics out of MtD are on Dufferin and Keele. The 927 and 35/935 are all hybrids today

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