TTC Orion VII Retirements Tracking

[PrimeTio]

From my understanding, buses which are in bad condition and aren’t worry of maintenance are being retired. 

[Xtrazsteve]

18 minutes ago, Young said:

I don’t see how that makes sense cause if they’re retiring 100 buses for service cut then why are we getting almost 300 more buses to replace the retired buses 

You realize they didn’t just place the order now. It was ordered back in 2021 when they haven’t realized ridership won’t come back. Same thing for the 60 streetcars.

18 minutes ago, PrimeTio said:

From my understanding, buses which are in bad condition and aren’t worry of maintenance are being retired. 

TTC wanted to retire all the Orion’s in 15 years. That’s definitely not happening in the current situation

[Toro]

7 hours ago, Kumiko Oumae said:

Despite battery being burnt, #1216 isn’t retired yet but still tracking online on the southeast end of the garage. @Shemar, I suggest you change the status to “Stored” awaiting repairs or its fate. Has anyone visited Malvern recently if that bus is parted out?

It been towed for scrap by now

[ilovettc]

11 hours ago, BusFanForever said:

1034 has been retired.

Can I please have Evidence of proof that 1034 is retired  like a photo of 1034 missing parts cause my friends don't trust you and they are saying 1034 is NOT RETIRED 

[Shemar]

7 minutes ago, ilovettc said:

Can I please have Evidence of proof that 1034 is retired  like a photo of 1034 missing parts cause my friends don't trust you and they are saying 1034 is NOT RETIRED 

He works with the TTC out of MtD division. And a bus could be retired and still have all of its parts intact if you didn't know.

[T3G]

1 hour ago, ilovettc said:

Can I please have Evidence of proof that 1034 is retired  like a photo of 1034 missing parts cause my friends don't trust you and they are saying 1034 is NOT RETIRED 

Why should anyone on this forum care whether your friends think the bus is retired or not?

 

Knock off the attitude towards people who give valid information. You've been told about this before.

[PrimeTio]

56 minutes ago, T3G said:

Why should anyone on this forum care whether your friends think the bus is retired or not?

 

Knock off the attitude towards people who give valid information. You've been told about this before.

Ignore him, he’s known for doing this amongst members on this board and other places. He spams this board with his ttc sightings while he sits on transee for 7 hours a day. If anyone here comes across his posts, just simply ignore. Now to move on, does anyone know when the mass retirements will start taking place for the Orions?

[Shemar]

1 hour ago, PrimeTio said:

Ignore him, he’s known for doing this amongst members on this board and other places. He spams this board with his ttc sightings while he sits on transee for 7 hours a day. If anyone here comes across his posts, just simply ignore. Now to move on, does anyone know when the mass retirements will start taking place for the Orions?

I would assume when the new hybrids begin to enter service.

[The Queensway]

16 hours ago, CJ. said:

7950 is now retired and in early stages of parts stripping

Dang, that was quick considering that its conversion to Event Support happened not that long ago, 2 years to be the exact.

[CJ.]

1 minute ago, The Queensway said:

Dang, that was quick considering that its conversion to Event Support happened not that long ago, 2 years to be the exact.

Only these 2 (7937 and 7950) are being retired. They weren't Event Support buses just divison workhorses. The actual ES bus will stay from what I am hearing

[BusFanForever]

7 hours ago, ilovettc said:

Can I please have Evidence of proof that 1034 is retired  like a photo of 1034 missing parts cause my friends don't trust you and they are saying 1034 is NOT RETIRED 

No, you can't have proof. You and your mouth breathing friends will have to wait until it's pushed outside. If you're lucky you can snap your own picts before it's towed away. 

 

7 hours ago, Shemar said:

He works with the TTC out of MtD division. And a bus could be retired and still have all of its parts intact if you didn't know.

It was in an accident, had mechanical problems and parts were needed to repair other buses. It's no longer intact despite what the mouth breathers think.

[CJ.]

Apparently this is his YouTube channel.. 

Why the fuck is he chasing the bus while recording? I feel bad for the driver

 

[FinchtheTTCfan]

20 hours ago, PrimeTio said:

From my understanding, buses which are in bad condition and aren’t worry of maintenance are being retired. 

Yeah that seems like what’s happening for now, I’m sure once the new buses start to arrive in big numbers the Orions will retire faster and not just be retired by condition

[CJ.]

7937 is also retired.

@BusFanForever Have you seen that one at Mount Dennis or is it towed out already? Another mount dennis employee couldn't spot it where the tracker had it pointed

[Toro]

Im not sure if this was mentioned but what division is gonna decommission 7937/7950? And was 8010 at Hillcrest for part harvesting/decommissioning or do they plan on making another zombie out of it?

[CJ.]

38 minutes ago, Toro said:

Im not sure if this was mentioned but what division is gonna decommission 7937/7950? And was 8010 at Hillcrest for part harvesting/decommissioning or do they plan on making another zombie out of it?

7950 has started to be decommissioned by Birchmount but its supposed to be towed to Queensway for them to store it till the scrapper takes it or finish the stripping process

Nobody seems to know where 7937 actually is so that one may already be gone. Or maybe its jailed at North Queen with the airport buses

[MRD10]

4 hours ago, CJ. said:

Or maybe its jailed at North Queen with the airport buses

Why were some of the Airport Orions resurrected? 

[CJ.]

9 hours ago, MRD10 said:

Why were some of the Airport Orions resurrected? 

Some novas are out of service because of wrap installation, I think

[MRD10]

19 hours ago, CJ. said:

Why the fuck is he chasing the bus while recording? I feel bad for the driver

Reminder to those foamers chasing after buses... they sometimes can't see you!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z69GgqMZ_HI

[CJ.]

6 hours ago, MRD10 said:

Reminder to those foamers chasing after buses... they sometimes can't see you!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z69GgqMZ_HI

Yes but unfortunately many will still decide to verbally abuse system operators but when an operator decides to talk back in defense, its time for an interview with the supervisor and suspension! 

[Kumiko Oumae]

On 3/18/2023 at 8:10 PM, CJ. said:

7950 has started to be decommissioned by Birchmount but its supposed to be towed to Queensway for them to store it till the scrapper takes it or finish the stripping process

Nobody seems to know where 7937 actually is so that one may already be gone. Or maybe its jailed at North Queen with the airport buses

By retiring that bus, this would officially mean Birchmount is now officially purged of Orion VIIs and is now Orion-free.

[T3G]

On 3/17/2023 at 10:21 PM, Xtrazsteve said:

You realize they didn’t just place the order now. It was ordered back in 2021 when they haven’t realized ridership won’t come back. Same thing for the 60 streetcars.

What is the current status of the ridership return? I seem to remember it was around 70-75% of where it was pre-COVID, is that accurate?

I don't see that as being an adequate reason to slash the service, especially when you consider that a lot of the routes with cuts weren't that hugely frequent to begin with in the periods that they had service reduced (9, 21, 40, 41, 133). Perhaps you could get away with removing the odd bus from a more frequent route, in the name of savings, but not these, surely. Many routes were packed to the gills pre-covid, this just leaves more breathing room. And on the topic of the 60 streetcars, we should consider ourselves fortunate that they didn't cancel the new order because "ridership won't come back". Considering they failed to predict the nearly 50% increase in ridership that occurred on the streetcar network between the placing of the order and the delivery of the last car, I'm not sure anyone should trust any follow up predictions on how busy the streetcar network is going to get in future!

[Xtrazsteve]

5 minutes ago, T3G said:

What is the current status of the ridership return? I seem to remember it was around 70-75% of where it was pre-COVID, is that accurate?

I don't see that as being an adequate reason to slash the service, especially when you consider that a lot of the routes with cuts weren't that hugely frequent to begin with in the periods that they had service reduced (9, 21, 40, 41, 133). Perhaps you could get away with removing the odd bus from a more frequent route, in the name of savings, but not these, surely. Many routes were packed to the gills pre-covid, this just leaves more breathing room. And on the topic of the 60 streetcars, we should consider ourselves fortunate that they didn't cancel the new order because "ridership won't come back". Considering they failed to predict the nearly 50% increase in ridership that occurred on the streetcar network between the placing of the order and the delivery of the last car, I'm not sure anyone should trust any follow up predictions on how busy the streetcar network is going to get in future!

I'm pretty sure we are now seeing the effects of the traditional "short subway rider trips" subsidizing the bus network ended. These trips mainly by downtown officer workers were cheap to offer as they are on high capacity vehicles (trains and streetcars) are no longer made. Suburb trips are often long and on buses are much more expensive to provide are the ones stuffing up the network. It costs $5-7 to offer these trips hence these cuts. In fact the more suburb riders take these trips, the more subsidies they need or raise fares to $4+.

[T3G]

Kind of a self defeating argument, isn't it? If we want more people to utilize transit in the suburbs, we have to invest for transit in the suburbs, otherwise more and more people will be pushed to take the car, and transit in the suburbs will get shittier and shittier.

Funny how there's money in the budget for a monster subway line out to Scarborough Centre, but when it comes to supporting the overwhelming majority of the borough with a robust bus service, they cry that the coffers are empty. How much more bus service could we have bought with the funds that we are sinking into the SSE?

[Xtrazsteve]

1 hour ago, T3G said:

Kind of a self defeating argument, isn't it? If we want more people to utilize transit in the suburbs, we have to invest for transit in the suburbs, otherwise more and more people will be pushed to take the car, and transit in the suburbs will get shittier and shittier.

Funny how there's money in the budget for a monster subway line out to Scarborough Centre, but when it comes to supporting the overwhelming majority of the borough with a robust bus service, they cry that the coffers are empty. How much more bus service could we have bought with the funds that we are sinking into the SSE?

I'm pretty sure half those on the buses don't want to be on a bus if they can just drive. It's the cost of car ownership that has driven them onto buses. We might need to make driving more difficult and expensive to get them on transit such as bus lanes and gas tax to fund transit.

Operation budget and capital budget are two totally different things. The governments love funding expansions but have no money to actually move the trains. It's like having a kid versus raising a kid. They can't just write a cheque and have the problem solved. They need a sustainable source of income to continuously fund the system. Since there is no funding in the current budget, they reallocated these bus operation funds for line 5 and 6 that is "suppose" to open later this year. Basically saving money to operate a train that might not run, especially line 5. We wonder why they don't pressure the Ford government to provide some operating subsidies or create a more reliable income to run these expansions. How would they ever fund operation on Eg West, Yonge North, SSE and Ontraio Line with this strategy? Let's not talk about the current problems like headways on ummm Line 2...