T3G Posted September 13 Report Share Posted September 13 10 hours ago, Toro said: Is TTC seriously phasing them out because they're diesel powered or cause they're "old" (the latter of which isn't really true)? Remember that they've de facto had a 12 year lifespan for the last 6 years or so. It hasn't been feasible to execute up to this point but technically they are, by the TTC's definition, past their best before date. The fact though that the long unreliable NGs have retired in only miniscule amounts since the big culls during COVID, while they're pulling younger diesel buses from service, definitely smells of politics though. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyerD901 Posted September 13 Report Share Posted September 13 7 hours ago, T3G said: Remember that they've de facto had a 12 year lifespan for the last 6 years or so. It hasn't been feasible to execute up to this point but technically they are, by the TTC's definition, past their best before date. The fact though that the long unreliable NGs have retired in only miniscule amounts since the big culls during COVID, while they're pulling younger diesel buses from service, definitely smells of politics though. Definitely political. We all know the Orion hybrids are worse. They weren't good 15 years ago. They're definitely worse after wear and tear plus the same garbage componets. In saying that, a flip on part, I saw 1000 on its way to Mount Dennis. Good to see 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
81-717 Posted September 13 Report Share Posted September 13 7 hours ago, T3G said: The fact though that the long unreliable NGs have retired in only miniscule amounts since the big culls during COVID, while they're pulling younger diesel buses from service, definitely smells of politics though. 1 minute ago, FlyerD901 said: Definitely political. We all know the Orion hybrids are worse. They weren't good 15 years ago. They're definitely worse after wear and tear plus the same garbage componets. So is the plan for the NG hybrids to be the very last Orions to retire, in that case? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T3G Posted September 13 Report Share Posted September 13 I would assume so, being "clean" buses. Even now it is ironic to think that 10 years ago they were discussing retiring the 1000s early and converting the rest to diesel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mar_AC_23 Posted September 13 Author Report Share Posted September 13 8157 is now retired 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtrazsteve Posted September 14 Report Share Posted September 14 8 hours ago, T3G said: I would assume so, being "clean" buses. Even now it is ironic to think that 10 years ago they were discussing retiring the 1000s early and converting the rest to diesel. All the 1700s and 3/4 of the 1500s did end up retiring early. Too bad the 1700s retired before the 29 Dufferin and 52 Lawrence West swap division. It would been nice to see a change. I'm grateful the 8100s and 8300s made it to Queensway before being shove out the door. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mar_AC_23 Posted September 14 Author Report Share Posted September 14 8102 is now retired 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mar_AC_23 Posted September 14 Author Report Share Posted September 14 8107 is now retired and has been decommissioned. 8138 and 8187 are also retired. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Flyer Posted September 14 Report Share Posted September 14 8098 has been decommissioned. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elijah bey Posted September 14 Report Share Posted September 14 2 hours ago, New Flyer said: 8098 has been decommissioned. What about the other 20+ 8000's at North queen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genius101 Posted September 14 Report Share Posted September 14 20 hours ago, Xtrazsteve said: I’m grateful the 8100s and 8300s made it to Queensway before being shove out the door. I contradict there’s nothing to be grateful about seeing senior buses on their final legs move to Queensway for a short period of time before hitting the graveyard for good 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Flyer Posted September 14 Report Share Posted September 14 15 minutes ago, Genius101 said: I contradict there’s nothing to be grateful about seeing senior buses on their final legs move to Queensway for a short period of time before hitting the graveyard for good Actually, there’s nothing like riding a good old bus before it retires. It’s almost the same as riding a brand new one straight out of delivery. 25 minutes ago, Elijah bey said: What about the other 20+ 8000's at North queen. Probably still there. I’m sure that a few have moved back to be decommissioned and towed out for scrap. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtrazsteve Posted September 14 Report Share Posted September 14 21 minutes ago, Genius101 said: I contradict there’s nothing to be grateful about seeing senior buses on their final legs move to Queensway for a short period of time before hitting the graveyard for good I love to grab a bunch of photos of them on Queensway routes before they become genetic Nova routes. How about that. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wil9402 Posted September 14 Report Share Posted September 14 On 8/26/2024 at 8:36 PM, bus_7246 said: I was down at Hillcrest again today. I took a better look at 1562, and I’ll say that it’s inactive rather than retired as it still had presto equipment onboard It's safe to say that 1562 is now retired. It was moved back Malvern and parted out. Fleet numbers have been removed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfVP Posted September 15 Report Share Posted September 15 1 hour ago, Xtrazsteve said: I love to grab a bunch of photos of them on Queensway routes before they become genetic Nova routes. How about that. I agree. The fleet variety that Queensway currently has, it is nice to see. Being at a 99% NOVA division, I wish we could have had a few of the Orion NGs sent our way before they are finally retired off. Driving a NOVA day in and day out with no end in sight, it does get very repetitive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mar_AC_23 Posted September 15 Author Report Share Posted September 15 8320 is now retired 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raptorjays Posted September 15 Report Share Posted September 15 3 hours ago, Genius101 said: I contradict there’s nothing to be grateful about seeing senior buses on their final legs move to Queensway for a short period of time before hitting the graveyard for good All of sudden, Queensway division became a retirement home for the older fleets.. Given 8100-8219 and 8300s are retiring faster than I thought, there could be a chance which all of them could be gone by the end of the year.. right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TransitFan88 Posted September 15 Report Share Posted September 15 32 minutes ago, raptorjays said: All of sudden, Queensway division became a retirement home for the older fleets… You forgot to tag @Genius101. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genius101 Posted September 15 Report Share Posted September 15 35 minutes ago, raptorjays said: All of sudden, Queensway division became a retirement home for the older fleets.. Given 8100-8219 and 8300s are retiring faster than I thought, there could be a chance which all of them could be gone by the end of the year.. right? They are retiring at a rate much faster than anticipated but I think it’s a safe bet that many of the 8100s and 8300s will make it into the new year. I also think all the remaining 2012 3Gs at Wilson will eventually migrate to Queensway at some point it’s the only logical place for them to move, NOT the east end. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5242 Posted September 15 Report Share Posted September 15 8120 has been at North Queen for over a week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTC Guy Posted September 15 Report Share Posted September 15 4 hours ago, 5242 said: 8120 has been at North Queen for over a week, that doesn't seem good. Stop speculating, not useful or helpful. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toro Posted September 15 Report Share Posted September 15 1366 retired since May and has slowly been stripped of its parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pccstreetcar4549 Posted September 15 Report Share Posted September 15 16 hours ago, raptorjays said: All of sudden, Queensway division became a retirement home for the older fleets.. Given 8100-8219 and 8300s are retiring faster than I thought, there could be a chance which all of them could be gone by the end of the year.. right? Queens way always has been where ttc sends the odd balls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mar_AC_23 Posted September 15 Author Report Share Posted September 15 On 9/14/2024 at 3:36 PM, New Flyer said: 8098 has been decommissioned. This bus hasn't been decommissioned yet. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elijah bey Posted September 15 Report Share Posted September 15 1 hour ago, Mar_AC_23 said: This bus hasn't been decommissioned yet. Then why is it there? ALSO is 8091 still at Queensway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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