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10 hours ago, MCIBUS said:

These DD Buses are either at one of the repair depot(warranty work) or are no longer in service due to fire or other issues:

8010,8017.8038,8102,8134,8139 & 8155.

Either then 8017(tragic accident), I'm not sure which caught fire or in for warranty repairs?

 

8134 is at Thermo King in Vars when I went by this afternoon

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Good afternoon all,

I have been informed by a friend of mine that he spotted 8161-64 on the 401 in the GTA this afternoon. The units are supposedly in the new livery also.

 

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I’m super curious to see how the new livery looks. This will be the first time we can directly compare the new livery with the older one side by side on the same model vehicle. I wonder if they will be delivered to First like the most recent order of Nova.

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Here are pictures of buses 8161 to 8166 that have been pre-delivered to Thermo King in Vars (the vicinity of Hwy 417/Rockdale exit).

These pictures are NOT to be re-posted elsewhere (including social media like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc.) and is for viewing from this discussion board only. Furthermore, I will NOT be granting permission for anyone requesting to re-use these pictures. 

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42 minutes ago, JCL said:

Here are pictures of buses 8161 to 8166 that have been pre-delivered to Thermo King in Vars (the vicinity of Hwy 417/Rockdale exit).

These pictures are NOT to be re-posted elsewhere (including social media like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc.) and is for viewing from this discussion board only. Furthermore, I will NOT be granting permission for anyone requesting to re-use these pictures. 

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The back looks...incomplete.

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1 hour ago, JCL said:

Here are pictures of buses 8161 to 8166 that have been pre-delivered to Thermo King in Vars (the vicinity of Hwy 417/Rockdale exit).

These pictures are NOT to be re-posted elsewhere (including social media like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc.) and is for viewing from this discussion board only. Furthermore, I will NOT be granting permission for anyone requesting to re-use these pictures. 

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I notice that they've gone back to the older fleet number font that they used on the 8000s as well. It also appears that they're using it on all sides of the buses instead of only front or only side. Minor detail, but interesting nonetheless. They only put one rear fleet number this time instead of two.

One observation I had was that 8101-8160 have inconsistent fonts for fleet numbers, using both the font for the 8000s but also the new font as well in some places. 8101-8111 in particular only use the new font for the large fleet number at the rear if I recall correctly.

I think the new livery definitely gives these buses a much-needed refresh but I'm still used to the older livery. The back though, I'm not too impressed with. 

Edit: I also don't see any cameras on the rear this time.

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12 hours ago, JCL said:

pre-delivered to Thermo King in Vars

Thermo King? Do the buses not get their AC systems installed at the assembly plant? Or is this for something else?

Pardon my ignorance as I'm not that familiar with how the assembly process goes from a non-technical perspective.

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9 minutes ago, wowzhao said:

Thermo King? Do the buses not get their AC systems installed at the assembly plant? Or is this for something else?

Pardon my ignorance as I'm not that familiar with how the assembly process goes from a non-technical perspective.

OC Transpo contracts out their pre-delivery inspections. Thermo King has always been the vendor that has done the double deckers.

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I must say, the new livery don't look too bad. Are the specs in comparison to the 2015/2017 order any different?

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I think they look good. I find it kind of funny they left the “octranspo.com” on the side. The Novas don’t have it and putting actual urls on stuff feels very late 90s/early 2000s.

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20 hours ago, OC Transpo/STO Fan said:

I also don't see any cameras on the rear this time.

I'm sure it's where the rear destination sign is as there seems to be more bezel on the rear destination sign than previous orders, or its installed before revenue service by them or a 3rd party. No way would they not include a camera for backing up, that's downright dangerous!

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11 hours ago, Enviro_1203 said:

OC Transpo contracts out their pre-delivery inspections. Thermo King has always been the vendor that has done the double deckers.

For the double decker, it was actually Wajax, although some did end up at Thermo King (when it was previously located on Stevenage). 

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22 hours ago, OC Transpo/STO Fan said:

Edit: I also don't see any cameras on the rear this time.

 

2 hours ago, Loud-Invero said:

I'm sure it's where the rear destination sign is as there seems to be more bezel on the rear destination sign than previous orders, or its installed before revenue service by them or a 3rd party. No way would they not include a camera for backing up, that's downright dangerous!

From what I can make out (it’s centred right above the top rear grill) 

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On 2/9/2020 at 8:32 PM, OC Transpo/STO Fan said:

I notice that they've gone back to the older fleet number font that they used on the 8000s as well. It also appears that they're using it on all sides of the buses instead of only front or only side. Minor detail, but interesting nonetheless. They only put one rear fleet number this time instead of two.

One observation I had was that 8101-8160 have inconsistent fonts for fleet numbers, using both the font for the 8000s but also the new font as well in some places. 8101-8111 in particular only use the new font for the large fleet number at the rear if I recall correctly.

8001 to 8075 were delivered with light Arial numbers, with 8016's being weirdly stretched horizontally. They originally had a front fleet number inside at the top middle of the lower windshield (8002 had a serif font instead of Arial for this one). At some point a number of years ago, these buses had other numbers added, as well as the side fleet numbers boldened with a heavier font resembling Franklin Gothic. Top right rear numbers were also added.

8101 to 814...3? were originally delivered with the same fonts as the 8000s, minus the lower windshield, but most have not undergone the same treatment on the side numbers. Some have had numbers added, but I don't recall if they have top right rear numbers. The front numbers on the first batch of 8100s were originally small Frutiger numbers outside at the bottom centre of the top windshield. 

814...4? to 8160 were delivered with Frutiger front and rear numbers, but a mix of Frutiger and Arial side numbers.

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On 2/9/2020 at 7:35 PM, JCL said:

Here are pictures of buses 8161 to 8166 that have been pre-delivered to Thermo King in Vars (the vicinity of Hwy 417/Rockdale exit).

The following are at Thermo King, parked outside as of this morning: 8162, 8163, 8164, 8165, 8166, 8167 (new), 8168 (new), 8169 (new). 

Did not see 8161 (might be inside the building, though)

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I noticed that on the wiki, 8161-8179 has been listed as having ISL9 engines in them. I thought they had L9s in them since they are 2020 models?

I also find it interesting that 8144-8160 have EPA 2013 ISL9 engines despite being 2017 models and 2017 being the year that the L9 replaced the ISL9.

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6 minutes ago, OC Transpo/STO Fan said:

I noticed that on the wiki, 8161-8179 has been listed as having ISL9 engines in them. I thought they had L9s in them since they are 2020 models?

I also find it interesting that 8144-8160 have EPA 2013 ISL9 engines despite being 2017 models and 2017 being the year that the L9 replaced the ISL9.

Specs will be adjusted once the information becomes available.

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On 2/16/2020 at 10:23 AM, JCL said:

The following are at Thermo King, parked outside as of this morning: 8162, 8163, 8164, 8165, 8166, 8167 (new), 8168 (new), 8169 (new). 

Did not see 8161 (might be inside the building, though)

The following are at Thermo King, parked outside as of this morning (Feb 23): 8161, 8162, 8163, 8166, 8167, 8168, 8169, 8170 (new), 8171 (new), 8172 (new)

Not seen are: 8164 and 8165 (they might be inside)

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On 2/23/2020 at 10:25 AM, JCL said:

The following are at Thermo King, parked outside as of this morning (Feb 23): 8161, 8162, 8163, 8166, 8167, 8168, 8169, 8170 (new), 8171 (new), 8172 (new)

Not seen are: 8164 and 8165 (they might be inside)

The following are at Thermo King parked outside as of this afternoon (Mar 1): 8161, 8162, 8163, 8164, 8166, 8168, 8169, 8170, 8171, 8172, 8173, (new)

Not seen are: 8165, and 8167

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So there's 4 or 6 left to show up? After these final DD Buses show up, what are the chances of OC ordering more DD Buses in the next 5-8 years?

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On 3/1/2020 at 3:23 PM, JCL said:

The following are at Thermo King parked outside as of this afternoon (Mar 1): 8161, 8162, 8163, 8164, 8166, 8168, 8169, 8170, 8171, 8172, 8173, (new)

Not seen are: 8165, and 8167

The following are at Thermo King parked outside as of this morning (Mar 8):

  • 8162 (plated - 418 4BL; and being worked on by Thermo King staff with its engines on)
  • 8163 (plated - 418 3BL)
  • 8164 (plated - 418 8BL; and with its engines on)
  • 8165 (plated - 418 9BL; note there are two fleet number decals at the front of the bus -- "8165" next to the destination sign on the left, and "8160" on the top-deck front passenger window in the centre)
  • 8166
  • 8167 (plated - 419 0BL)
  • 8169
  • 8171
  • 8172
  • 8173
  • 8175 (new)
  • 8176 (new)

There is one unidentified unit with no fleet number in front (likely to have been peeled off), but the licence plate reads 418 2BL -- I do suspect it's 8161. 

Not seen are: 8168 and 8170 - presumably inside the building. 

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A friend of mine (who doesn't have a CPTDB account) shared this image on a Discord server I'm in. 8174 was spotted yesterday in Whitby, Ontario.

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