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13 hours ago, Waiting for 30 Minutes said:

They get ticketed and progressively disciplined.

Are you able to elaborate on possible punishments a driver may face? I know if you get into an at-fault accident, you have to take the 6-week training course again (at minimum wage), but that's all I know.

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12 hours ago, Loud-Invero said:

Are you able to elaborate on possible punishments a driver may face? I know if you get into an at-fault accident, you have to take the 6-week training course again (at minimum wage), but that's all I know.

Internal discipline is never shared, but I have no idea where you got that 6 week training at minimum wage part. Imagine if you made a mistake at your job and your employer said “go back to training and btw im taking away half your wages”? 

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13 hours ago, Loud-Invero said:

Are you able to elaborate on possible punishments a driver may face? I know if you get into an at-fault accident, you have to take the 6-week training course again (at minimum wage), but that's all I know.

1 hour ago, ZümmyZüm said:

Internal discipline is never shared, but I have no idea where you got that 6 week training at minimum wage part. Imagine if you made a mistake at your job and your employer said “go back to training and btw im taking away half your wages”? 

Progressive discipline may include written warnings, suspension(s), and termination.

The retraining at minimum wage after an at-fault collision is not true.

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Not sure exactly when it happened, but the rear red strip portion changed from what yo see in the pic to one you saw prior to the KFC/Maple Leaf paint scheme. OC Transpo was moved to the almost rear of the bus and the rear portion of the red stripe was some what slightly different.

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19 hours ago, MCIBUS said:

Not sure exactly when it happened, but the rear red strip portion changed from what yo see in the pic to one you saw prior to the KFC/Maple Leaf paint scheme. OC Transpo was moved to the almost rear of the bus and the rear portion of the red stripe was some what slightly different.

It didn't take long.  Paul Bateson took this photo of 7301 in July 1973:

04275 - OC 7301 - Ottawa, Wellington Street - 10 Jul 1973
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OC Transpo at the May 11 Transit Commission meeting dedicated a section of its report to some upgrades they were planning to roll out to the API, supposedly to improve user experience on transit apps and the like. Does anyone know if they've released extra details anywhere about what exactly they're doing on that front?

Not a developer myself, so I probably wouldn't understand the exact technical details, but I'm more curious about if this is going to be more about improving back-end system reliability or if users are going to see a noticeable improvement in any field, for example the current issue I'm noticing with tracked buses constantly falling off the map for no reason or rubber-banding back to a specific spot along the route.

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15 hours ago, wowzhao said:

OC Transpo at the May 11 Transit Commission meeting dedicated a section of its report to some upgrades they were planning to roll out to the API, supposedly to improve user experience on transit apps and the like. Does anyone know if they've released extra details anywhere about what exactly they're doing on that front?

Not a developer myself, so I probably wouldn't understand the exact technical details, but I'm more curious about if this is going to be more about improving back-end system reliability or if users are going to see a noticeable improvement in any field, for example the current issue I'm noticing with tracked buses constantly falling off the map for no reason or rubber-banding back to a specific spot along the route.

We're moving to a formal relationship with the Transit app.

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On 5/15/2023 at 8:07 PM, wowzhao said:

OC Transpo at the May 11 Transit Commission meeting dedicated a section of its report to some upgrades they were planning to roll out to the API, supposedly to improve user experience on transit apps and the like. Does anyone know if they've released extra details anywhere about what exactly they're doing on that front?

Beyond a formal relationship with the Transit app, the data that OC Transpo publishes will now follow a standardized format that is easier for apps to consume, and also happens to provide more useful forms of information. For example, OC Transpo's API currently allows you to get the next three buses that are set to arrive for each route at a given stop. This is an intuitive API based on the way that real-time data is typically used, but it's actually very limiting since it only gives a user a very small window into the real time data.

The GTFS-realtime standard offers a more "global" view of the transit network. It offers three types of feeds: trip updates, service alerts, and vehicle positions. Unlike with the current API where an app effectively asks OC Transpo "can I see the next few trips for this stop?", GTFS-rt basically gives access to every (active) trip update, every service alert, and every vehicle position all at once in a single API request. There are also additional properties contained in the GTFS-rt standard that allow more information to be fed through the feed, like if a trip is cancelled for example.

Edit: to put it another way, the GTFS-rt format would make it trivial for a seasoned software developer to make a map that shows the real time location of every vehicle on the road.

On 5/15/2023 at 8:07 PM, wowzhao said:

Not a developer myself, so I probably wouldn't understand the exact technical details, but I'm more curious about if this is going to be more about improving back-end system reliability or if users are going to see a noticeable improvement in any field, for example the current issue I'm noticing with tracked buses constantly falling off the map for no reason or rubber-banding back to a specific spot along the route.

My understanding is that the raw data that OC Transpo gets (from their dispatching systems) is reasonably good, but the server that all that data is being fed into that generates the actual API responses is "antique garbage". In the commission meeting they said that they had made some efforts to improve the responses that were being served and anecdotally I have seen an improvement recently, specifically in regards to rubber-banding.

So in addition to a better data format, the (software) infrastructure that powers the API will also be getting an upgrade which should hopefully translate into better data quality overall.

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On 5/12/2023 at 10:58 AM, Waiting for 30 Minutes said:

Progressive discipline may include written warnings, suspension(s), and termination.

As in the federal government, where I work.

On 5/14/2023 at 3:15 AM, MCIBUS said:

Not sure exactly when it happened, but the rear red strip portion changed from what yo see in the pic to one you saw prior to the KFC/Maple Leaf paint scheme. OC Transpo was moved to the almost rear of the bus and the rear portion of the red stripe was some what slightly different.

The Transpo was after Transpo 72, a public transit exhibition in Washington, DC in May-June 1972.

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3 hours ago, bsnider001 said:

Anyone know why the 85 is so bunched up on weekends?

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Traffic crossing into Gatineau destroys the schedule. You have the Chaudiere bridge closed and with Champlain bridge down to 1 lane each way people decide to flood the portage bridge 

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On 5/21/2023 at 12:57 PM, bsnider001 said:

Anyone know why the 85 is so bunched up on weekends?

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21 hours ago, ZümmyZüm said:

Traffic crossing into Gatineau destroys the schedule. You have the Chaudiere bridge closed and with Champlain bridge down to 1 lane each way people decide to flood the portage bridge 

This weekend is also the busiest weekend of the Tulip Festival, which creates lots of delays on Preston Street and near Dow's Lake.

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4 minutes ago, CanadianBrick1 said:

I was comparing artic fleet sizes and when I counted the older D60LF's my total keeps on coming up to 227 and I feel like I'm going crazy lol. I don't know how I'm miscounting, even after doing it one by one

That's correct, there were 227 of them.

6001-6100 (100), 6102-6178 (77), 6301-6350 (50) 

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OC Transpo has confirmed that those with transfers and day passes can be scanned via barcode reader on-board buses. Multi-day passes (3, 5 and 7 day) now are tapped on the device since all buses are equipped with the new payment devices. 

Seniors with a fare concession on their Presto card will not be charged when they tap on Wednesday and Sunday. 

Credit card/mobile payments are not yet enabled for buses yet. When it is ready, it will be announced. 

https://www.octranspo.com/en/news/article/scan-your-transfer-when-you-board-the-bus-and-more/

 

Final comments:

I remember when the multi-day passes were first introduced and having to use one during Line 1. The operator simply asked me to show him since the Presto Next Generation devices were not equipped to process such fares. This was back in October 2019. 

Will be a process for people scanning transfers and day passes. Operator saying "lower" or having to manually show how to scan a transfer/day pass. 

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