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Can anyone grow this list for Eastern Canada and the US?

Western Canada:

BC:

-BC Transit:

  -New Flyer XN40

  Past:

  -New Look (Methanol)

-Coast Mountain Bus Company:

  -New Flyer C40LFR

  -New Flyer XN40

  Past:

  -New Flyer C40

  -New Flyer C40LF

AB:

-Calgary Transit:

  -New Flyer XN40

  -NovaBUS LFS CNG

  Past:

  -Overland ELF CNG

-Edmonton Transit Service:

  Past:

  -New Flyer C40LFR

  -Overland ELF CNG

-Medicine Hat Transit:

  -New Flyer C40LFR

  -New Flyer XN40

  Past:

  -T6H-5307N (Methanol)

  -Classic (Methanol)

  Future:

  -Grande West Vicinity 35' CNG

-Red Deer Transit:

  -NovaBUS LFS CNG

ON:

-Hamilton Street Railway

  -NovaBUS LFS CNG

  Past:

  -New Flyer C40LF

-Toronto Transit Commission

  Past:

  -Orion V

  -Orion VI

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BC Transit HAD Hydrogen buses in their fleet a while back (1000-1024, New Flyer H40LFR). 

It is not confirmed, but there may be Grande West Vicinity CNG and New Flyer XN40s coming to Victoria Regional Transit System and Campbell River Transit System. 

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TTC in Toronto was also a former CNG costumer.

and HSR in Hamilton still operates CNG today.

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So just a couple of questions:

1. Why are CNG buses less prevalent in Canada compared to the US?

2. Why are they less common in Eastern Canada?

Any insights are appreciated!

 

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US Government funding and tax incentives, I believe, and most of the producing fields are west of Manitoba... there is one that reaches into Ontario under Lake Erie from Ohio and Pennsylvania...although with pipelines coast to coast, it shouldn’t matter much.

Local employment stimulus perhaps?

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1 hour ago, Buzz2kb said:

So just a couple of questions:

1. Why are CNG buses less prevalent in Canada compared to the US?

2. Why are they less common in Eastern Canada?

Any insights are appreciated!

 

One thing I can say is that the City of Medicine Hat produces its own natural gas

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HSR, where I'm from, has had a mix of Compressed Natural Gas powered buses from 1992 onwards. Our first were the converted GM New Looks, then the 9100/9200 Orion Vs, 1999 Orion VIs, 2002 Ford ELF cutaways and 1996, 1998 and 2002-03 New Flyer C40LFs.

In 2015, HSR overhauled the CNG fuelling facility and currently we have 29 New Flyer XN60 artics, 11 Grande West Vicinity CNG 30 foot buses and 97 NovaBus LFS Natural Gas 40 footers. We're locked in with CNG until at least 2021 because of the work on the fuelling station. We re-invested in CNG at the time when the price of CNG was less than the price of diesel.

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Cornwall Transit:

Former

Orion V CNG

Orion II CNG

London Transit Commission:

Former

Orion V CNG (Ex Chatham Transit)

Orion VI CNG

Mississauga Transit (MiWay):

Former 

Orion V CNG

Grand River Transit:

Former

C40LF ex (Kitchener Transit)

Burlington Transit:

Former 

Orion II CNG

 

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Aside from the above Canadian agencies, I've seen the following in my travels in the US Northeast:

Centro of Syracuse

Past

  • NovaBus RTS
  • Orion V

Present

  • New Flyer C40LF
  • Orion VII

NFTA Metro Bus (Buffalo)

Past

  • Orion V

Present

  • NovaBus LFS

Erie Metropolitan Transit Authority

Past

  • New Flyer C35LF & C40LF
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1 hour ago, tomsbuspage said:

Aside from the above Canadian agencies, I've seen the following in my travels in the US Northeast:

Centro of Syracuse

Past

  • NovaBus RTS
  • Orion V

Present

  • New Flyer C40LF
  • Orion VII

NFTA Metro Bus (Buffalo)

Past

  • Orion V

Present

  • NovaBus LFS

Erie Metropolitan Transit Authority

Past

  • New Flyer C35LF & C40LF

Don't forget MTA New York City:

  • New Flyer C40LF, XN40, XN60
  • Orion V, VII
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Bolded means they're still active. Italicized means they're retired

LNG:

  • Santa Monica Big Blue Bus (New Flyer L40LF, NABI 40-LFW LNG)
  • Houston Metro (New Flyer L40LF)
  • Sun Metro (New Flyer L40HF)
  • Lynx (New Flyer L35LF)
  • Anaheim Resort Transit (NABI 40-LFW LNG)
  • Rabbit Transit (New Flyer L35LF)
  • Valley Metro (New Flyer L40LF, NABI 45C-LFW LNG)
  • Capital Area Transit Authority (New Flyer L35LF)

CNG:

There are literally countless

  • MBTA (New Flyer XN40 XcelsiorNABI 40-LFW CNGNeoplan AN460LF CNG)
  • LACMTA (Everything they have, New Flyer C40HFNeoplan AN440 CNG, TMC RTS-06 Methanol)
  • CTA (New Flyer F40LF)
  • Santa Monica Big Blue Bus (Everything they have that's not an L40LF)
  • OCTA (Everything they have but the XHE40)
  • Long Beach Transit (Everything but the 2002 D40LF and 2005, 2007 GE40LF, 2009 GE40LFA)
  • Torrance Transit (Everything but the Gilligs)
  • San Diego MTS (Everything they have but the Bluebird things)
  • NCTD (Everything they have but the 2000 D40LF)
  • Montebello Bus Lines (The XN40s)
  • CATA
  • EMTA
  • NFTA
  • Portland, ME
  • NYMTA
  • NJT
  • NICE Bus
  • CCCTA
  • Santa Cruz MTD
  • GCRTA
  • BARTA
  • Riverside Transit Authority
  • COTA
  • Amtran
  • Rabbit Transit
  • SARTA
  • BWAT
  • CENTRO
  • Trinity Metro
  • WMATA
  • Simi Valley
  • VVTA
  • Pasadena Transit
  • Foothill
  • Omnitrans
  • Valley Metro
  • Whatever Citizens Area Transit calls themselves now
  • IndiGo i THINK (Might wanna double check me on that)
  • Arlington Transit
  • MCT Ride On
  • SunLine
  • Miami Dade Transit
  • Birmingham MAX Transit (Is that what they call their transit system??)
  • Kansas City I think
  • Dallas DART
  • Glendale Beeline
  • Houston Metro
  • San Antonio VIA
  • Springfield, IL i think
  • Sonoma County Transit
  • Solano County Transit
  • Sun Metro
  • Akron Metro
  • MARTA
  • Lynx
  • Probably Broward County Transit?
  • Santa Clarita Transit
  • MMVTA
  • Culver CityBus
  • Pierce Transit
  • Macon Bibb

For Methanol the old Triboro Coach and/or Queens Surface had Methanol TMC RTS. Someone should check me on that though...

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Anyway that's all I can think of off the top of my head if you dig further you can easily create a really long list. 

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On 6/14/2019 at 4:00 PM, tomsbuspage said:

Aside from the above Canadian agencies, I've seen the following in my travels in the US Northeast:

Centro of Syracuse

Past

  • NovaBus RTS
  • Orion V

Present

  • New Flyer C40LF
  • Orion VII

 

Centro also received Gillig 40-foot CNG buses in 2016 and 2017, with another 12 due this year.

Agencies in the Northeast U.S. that formerly operated CNG buses included Rochester-Genesee RTA and Broome County Transit in New York and the Rhode Island Public Transit Authority. 

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Miami Dade Transit had their first 1992 CNG and Methanol Flxible Metro B ADB (40102-6C CNG and 40102-6T Methanol) but later Converted to Diesel in late 1990s due to the buses running slow. 

By the way, Miami Dade Transit has 2018-19 New Flyer XN40 CNGs and they we're the 2nd CNG buses for Miami. 

And 2019 181 Gillig BRT Plus CNGs are on order and they will be delivered this October. 

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