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Calgary Transit "On Demand" Pilot Project

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Announced on May 3, 2019:
https://www.calgarytransit.com/news/calgary-transit-demand

 

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A one-year pilot project to explore a new way to offer transit service

Calgary Transit On Demand is a new way to provide transit service to communities that currently don’t have traditional bus service. This pilot project offers on demand, shared-ride transportation to connect people in Carrington and Livingston to the North Pointe transit hub and amenities.

 

 

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Kinda sounds like these new communities aren't showing up on GPS yet.

That could be a challenge considering this is aimed towards new communities which wouldn't be fully developed yet.

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2 hours ago, Transit Fan said:

Kinda sounds like these new communities aren't showing up on GPS yet.

That could be a challenge considering this is aimed towards new communities which wouldn't be fully developed yet.

It might be an issue... but how about just having fixed stop locations, but having the service still use calling/texting/internet requests, that could be directed to the driver so they can then show up & pick up the passengers regardless? 

Example: https://winnipegtransit.com/en/service/dart/

https://winnipegtransit.com/en/service/dart/102/

Attachment is a map of a current Winnipeg DART (dial-a-ride transit) route, which in the case of the new communities - even without GPS, it can still be easily applied. Might cost a few extra thousand for some basic bus stops and concrete paving stones if need be, but it could work without the need for GPS or any post-1980s technology. Plus there's also the benefit of later on, being able to convert those bus stops into fixed-route service.

DART_102_Web_Site_Map.pdf

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On 8/8/2019 at 5:42 PM, downbeat said:

The pilot project is back. Launches tomorrow (Friday, August 9).

http://www.calgarytransit.com/news/calgary-transit-demand

Its funny how they will spend all of that money with on-demand there in Carrington, yet they will remove service for significant parts of SE Calgary, and not even think about implementing on-demand/dial-a-ride where people actually need it...

Priorities, much?

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52 minutes ago, armorand said:

Its funny how they will spend all of that money with on-demand there in Carrington, yet they will remove service for significant parts of SE Calgary, and not even think about implementing on-demand/dial-a-ride where people actually need it...

Priorities, much?

The On Demand service does not come out of Calgary Transit’s operating budget, it’s a totally different funding source. They could cut this pilot, but it’d have zero impact on the service cuts for September.

Plus, this could prove out a model that could significantly decrease CTs costs in the future and provide service to many communities that wouldn’t warrant service otherwise. And it funnels people onto Transit’s regular service. 

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I decided to go check out the CT On-Demand service, which from the looks of it is being operated by Southland Transportation.  Two vehicles were being used today, former Southland CT Access unit 3418 (a 2008 Girardin MB-IV G5 with a Ford chassis) and the other is a brand new Ford Transit passenger van, numbered 8169.  I have reportedly heard rumors that a Dodge Caravan #5300 was to be used for the service, but I didn't see it being used this time.  Ridership was pretty steady going both ways, the vehicles were around 3/4 full on both vehicles heading to and from North Pointe.  Attatched is both buses operating the service today, the 10th of January, 2020.

Southland Transportation 8169 1-10-19.jpg

Southland Transportation 3418 1-10-19.jpg

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Awesome, someone finally ventured out there and got pictures! Thanks for doing that and sharing here!

Interesting that they are unmarked.

The back end system for this service is supported by RideCo. Their case study is and interesting read and accessible here: https://blog.rideco.com/calgary-transit-case-study-rideco-solves-first-last-mile-gap-6e047fc8570f?gi=8e704f7d5cc9

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Very cool stats there.

I wonder if it would be possible to extend the pilot to areas in Calgary’s far southeast during late-night weekend hours, when regular transit is apparently economically unfeasible?

Those two on-demand vehicles would have finished servicing the far north neighbourhoods by then.

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31 minutes ago, downbeat said:

Very cool stats there.

I wonder if it would be possible to extend the pilot to areas in Calgary’s far southeast during late-night weekend hours, when regular transit is apparently economically unfeasible?

Those two on-demand vehicles would have finished servicing the far north neighbourhoods by then.

With a successful pilot, I hope to see it rolled out to more areas (and not just limited to Calgary either)!

I can foresee politics coming into play when it comes to any further expansion though.

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4 hours ago, downbeat said:

Very cool stats there.

I wonder if it would be possible to extend the pilot to areas in Calgary’s far southeast during late-night weekend hours, when regular transit is apparently economically unfeasible?

Those two on-demand vehicles would have finished servicing the far north neighbourhoods by then.

They could also just extend the 14 into Auburn Bay on weekends, and boost the ridership to that critical 23 pph, to breakeven. But rest of the Southeast? Mahogany might be a candidate. Low ridership to begin with, nothing of value in the neighborhood for major employment either, with no direct connection to Somerset... on-demand from Somerset to Mahogany, would solve some problems, as long as they don't decide to cut the 302 as well...

It feels the rest of the SE could use circular routes, but with the 14 extended to Auburn Bay & a test on-demand for Mahogany, the SE mess could just be fixed by circle routes, with maybe one more on-demand between McKenzie Towne and Somerset. If they refuse to run any normal bus routes from the SE to the train, they could at least have on-demand from McKenzie Towne/130 Ave. It would at least solve the absolute worst part of the SE transit losses.

Still though, the Winnipeg DART model would be way better for this. At least it would keep CT drivers with shifts and hours, instead of outsourcing it to Southland, all at the cost of a telephone line & a headset. Plus utilizing current bus stops too - that way, it wont take extra time winding in and out of all of the bays. Winnipeg Transit DART worked well, using fixed stops but on-demand service, by phone call.

Of course, it wouldn't stop at anyones doorsteps off the main roads... but sooner or later, when the 40 footers come roaring in, those people wil have to walk up to 400 metres to the bus stop anyway (if not longer), so might be better long-term just to get them used to more traditional transit, before 1.2 million others start demanding door-to-door transit service, in all of the nooks & crannies considered unservicable by the larger vehicles (40ft and above) of Calgary Transit.

Just curious... Shepard is now part of the City of Calgary, right? Because now that I think about it... Shepard and some of the industrial out there, would be a good on-demand transit service experiment. Residential in Shepard, tons of industrial as well. Seems like a good fit. Would help to boose ridership on the 23 and 147-150 as well, with timed transfers and connections to Shepard, with whats gotta be at least 500-800 jobs out there, plus Ralph Klein park, the tow yards and stuff as well. It might just work for Shepard.

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