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3 hours ago, ThatBusGuy said:

9695, 9697 to RTC

These must be purely expansion since no d40lf’s are left in rtc

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16 minutes ago, cleowin said:

These must be purely expansion since no d40lf’s are left in rtc

I think RTC might have a couple to send to WVMT still

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Just now, jmward said:

I think RTC might have a couple to send to WVMT still

16133 and 16137. Even still, RTC has gained more than 2 LFSs since all the D40LFs left/retired, so there seems to be somewhat of an expansion taking place

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24 minutes ago, ThatBusGuy said:

16133 and 16137. Even still, RTC has gained more than 2 LFSs since all the D40LFs left/retired, so there seems to be somewhat of an expansion taking place

Isnt RTC at capacity? I figured they can hold around 200 vehicles

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We won't be retiring the next buses until 2022 or 2023 rolls around. By then Marpole Transit Center will have commenced operations. This means that there will be extra space left over from retiring buses.

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43 minutes ago, Express691 said:

We won't be retiring the next buses until 2022 or 2023 rolls around. By then Marpole Transit Center will have commenced operations. This means that there will be extra space left over from retiring buses.

I hope the Nova LFS 2nd gen's are the first to go, but it'll likely be the D/C40LFR's

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4 hours ago, Express691 said:

We won't be retiring the next buses until 2022 or 2023 rolls around. By then Marpole Transit Center will have commenced operations. This means that there will be extra space left over from retiring buses.

Which ones are going to be retired by then? Or are the remaining d40/60 LF's sticking around till then?

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20 minutes ago, WillieTL said:

Which ones are going to be retired by then? Or are the remaining d40/60 LF's sticking around till then?

I thought it was already stated somewhere that the remaining D40LFs and D60LFs are going to be gone by the end of this year. I'm assuming the next buses to go are the 2006 C40LFRs, D40LFRs, and E40LF/Rs.

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2 hours ago, Imgursdownvote4love said:

I thought it was already stated somewhere that the remaining D40LFs and D60LFs are going to be gone by the end of this year. I'm assuming the next buses to go are the 2006 C40LFRs, D40LFRs, and E40LF/Rs.

And it will be a very big decision on the trolleys, replace them with new ones or retire the system in favor of battery electric buses ... 

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7 minutes ago, Phillip said:

And it will be a very big decision on the trolleys, replace them with new ones or retire the system in favor of battery electric buses ... 

Let's hope some XT40s hit the roads...

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40 minutes ago, Phillip said:

And it will be a very big decision on the trolleys, replace them with new ones or retire the system in favor of battery electric buses ... 

With all the investment in trolley infrastructure, and Vancouver's commitment to clean air, I can see them purchasing trolleys with In-Motion-Charging when it comes time to replace the trolleys. The best of both worlds !!!

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5 hours ago, Imgursdownvote4love said:

I thought it was already stated somewhere that the remaining D40LFs and D60LFs are going to be gone by the end of this year. I'm assuming the next buses to go are the 2006 C40LFRs, D40LFRs, and E40LF/Rs.

Yes. And that includes the 9600 Novas.

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6 hours ago, Imgursdownvote4love said:

I thought it was already stated somewhere that the remaining D40LFs and D60LFs are going to be gone by the end of this year. I'm assuming the next buses to go are the 2006 C40LFRs, D40LFRs, and E40LF/Rs.

This is probably not exactly the right place for this, but since it's being discussed here, I'll keep it here. From page 83 of the October 2018 board meeting report, looks like this is the replacement schedule for the next 10 years:

 

2023: 107 40-foot buses (50 C40LFR currently at PTC (3308-3357) + 57 D40LFR currently at STC (7447-7499, 7501-7504))

2024: 126 40-foot buses (120 LFS currently at BTC/RTC/VTC (9605-9699, 9701-9725) + 6 LFS currently at WVMT (701-706)) + 16 60-foot buses (16 D60LFR currently at PTC (8102-8117))

2025: 78 40-foot buses (69 LFS currently at BTC (9726-9791, 9797-9799) + 9 Orion V currently at RTC (9277-9285))

2026: 197 40-foot buses (141 LFS HEV currently at HTC/VTC (9401-9499, 9501-9542) + 47 LFS currently at RTC (9543-9581, 9583-9590) + 9 LFS currently at WVMT (901-909)) + 39 60-foot buses (39 DE60LFR currently at BTC/PTC (8118-8156))

2027: 188 40-foot trolleys (188 E40LFR currently at VTC (2101-2199, 2201-2289))

2028: 74 60-foot trolleys (74 E60LFR currently at VTC (2501-2574))

2029: 17 40-foot buses (17 XD40 currently at WVMT (1201-1217)) + 25 60-foot buses (25 XDE60 currently at RTC (12001-12025))

 

So it seems like the "standard" buses have a 17-year replacement cycle, but the trolleys have a slightly longer cycle (19-22 years). Of course, knowing TransLink, the buses will probably stay for a bit longer than 17 years, and there will be more ordered probably between now and 2023 as expansion buses.

https://www.translink.ca/-/media/Documents/about_translink/governance_and_board/board_minutes_and_reports/2018/October/18_10_04_Open_Board_Meeting_Report.pdf

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9 hours ago, Imgursdownvote4love said:

Let's hope some XT40s hit the roads...

I hope so too. I lived in Edmonton in 2008/09 when they shut their system down, saddest thing ever...☹️ 

Their attitude towards trolleys were bad, city management were anti-trolley. 

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I sometimes question whether we should be replacing all of the trolleybuses at once, as it seems to enable messy public debates and recurring economic arguments for/against it. It'd give me peace of mind if we could somehow enshrine its continued existence in law or policy (e.g. historical status) like the recent movement to phase out fossil-fuel-only vehicles.

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2 minutes ago, Millennium2002 said:

I sometimes question whether we should be replacing all of the trolleybuses at once, as it seems to enable messy recurring economic arguments for/against it.

You can't buy trolleybuses off the shelf in North America, though. The effort and cost involved in designing and configuring a trolleybus, simply isn't worth it for a small order. Furthermore, having a fleet of a single type is nice in terms of economies of scale.

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7 hours ago, Phillip said:

I hope so too. I lived in Edmonton in 2008/09 when they shut their system down, saddest thing ever...☹️ 

Their attitude towards trolleys were bad, city management were anti-trolley. 

Didn't CMBC just invest in a substation or something in East Van? If they were replacing the trolleys anyway, I doubt they would spend a couple million on that.

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I think it was said somewhere that we spend several million each year maintaining the trolleybus network. It's not a trivial amount by any means, but a whole fleet purchase of ~200+ trolleybuses costing a million or two each easily dwarfs that by several orders of magnitude. And this is the tricky part... Because some people might look at that without seeing the whole picture and jump to the conclusion "THE COST OF NEW TROLLEYS IS TOO DAMN HIGH". And this is where the demolitionists would come in; they'll try to argue that we'd save over the long run by tearing everything down (demolition usually being cheaper than building) and buying a more conventional fleet.

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HTC D40LF count falls down to 8 with 7316 7266 and 7280 returning to STC.

9676 is now in RTC (they can hold around 220 buses total not including the buses out for the N10, and after all retirements).

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