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4 minutes ago, Orion VI said:

Don't really know if this would work but, you know how MTA has Highway Coaches in operation (D4500, X3-45 and they just demoed a J4500), right? Couldn't the TTC do this, and use them as express route buses, and use the electric buses from normal routes? (the highway coaches would be diesel)

Er...what's GO lol

Do you know what the upfront and long term cost difference is between a 40 foot diesel and a 45 foot commuter coach?

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You’ll see the express routes eliminated before that happens.

The UPX can handle the airport traffic, and the downtown express only really exists because of one stubborn city councilor.

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1 minute ago, Doppelkupplung said:

Er...what's GO lol

Do you know what the upfront and long term cost difference is between a 40 foot diesel and a 45 foot commuter coach? Its big.

What could work in this situation then is the TTC could transfer all express routes to GO. Is that what you're saying? 

 

BTW I don't really think having a 100% Battery Electric fleet is that realistic. I know the technology will obviously improve before this happens, but just going on the Highway (I sometimes see buses doing this on the 401 and the Allen) could severely deplete the bus's charge. As we've said. Why doesn't the TTC use the chargers that comedown from a pole: https://www.google.com/search?q=electric+bus&rlz=1C1GCEB_enCA765CA766&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiDh43177HgAhVHQ6wKHe2PBgEQ_AUIDigB&biw=1440&bih=819#imgrc=RHQyxyLJwXKUCM:  

 

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You guys are worrying about the minutiae of a deadline 20 years from now?  In 1999, battery electric anything wasn’t anything more than a novelty.

Let the universe work itself out. There are pressing issues in the present that need more attention.

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6 minutes ago, Orion VI said:

What could work in this situation then is the TTC could transfer all express routes to GO. Is that what you're saying? 

So you're saying the 935 Jane Express should now be run by 45 foot, highfloor single-exit MCIs? Not to mention the difficulty of on/offloading handicap persons?

Look dude, wherever you're going with this express thing, its not gonna happen. Diesel buses will be needed in capacity for many routes until electric buses are more advanced and more reliable. So expect to see them for the forseeable future. 

1 minute ago, Bus_Medic said:

You guys are worrying about the minutiae of a deadline 20 years from now?  In 1999, battery electric anything wasn’t anything more than a novelty.

Let the universe work itself out. There are pressing issues in the present that need more attention.

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17 minutes ago, Doppelkupplung said:

So you're saying the 935 Jane Express should now be run by 45 foot, highfloor single-exit MCIs? Not to mention the difficulty of on/offloading handicap persons?

Look dude, wherever you're going with this express thing, its not gonna happen. Diesel buses will be needed in capacity for many routes until electric buses are more advanced and more reliable. So expect to see them for the forseeable future. 

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the thread is at Page 4, I think is obvious Orion VI is just trolling along like a trolly troll 

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18 hours ago, Orion VI said:

We covered this a while ago. The TTC doesn't want to have buses that are tied to infrastructure that will force the design of routes. Those chargers go at the ends of each route (and sometimes mid-route, too). What if the route needs to be changed? That infrastructure now needs to be uprooted and moved.


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4 hours ago, smallspy said:

We covered this a while ago. The TTC doesn't want to have buses that are tied to infrastructure that will force the design of routes. Those chargers go at the ends of each route (and sometimes mid-route, too). What if the route needs to be changed? That infrastructure now needs to be uprooted and moved.

It wouldn't hurt them if they had some sort of charging at the main bus stations, for top-ups. Don't all TTC bus routes end up connecting to a Subway/RT station?

I just don't see the city the size of Toronto being reliably served with pure electric buses, not without a major breakthru in battery technology or charging stations.

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4 minutes ago, MK78 said:

It wouldn't hurt them if they had some sort of charging at the main bus stations, for top-ups. Don't all TTC bus routes end up connecting to a Subway/RT station?

 

Most routes do, but not all. Plus, there's the issue of range, as the types of battery vehicles designed to be charged frequently may not have enough range to complete round trips on some of the longer routes - especially once you factor in things like any detours that may be necessary.

 

If you have a vehicle that is designed to operate for a "day" of service, there is no restriction to what routes it could do as there is no hardware that they need to use outside of the garage. Any restrictions have to do with battery usage and how long they are able to run for that "day".

 

4 minutes ago, MK78 said:

I just don't see the city the size of Toronto being reliably served with pure electric buses, not without a major breakthru in battery technology or charging stations.

And yet, a city far, far bigger than ours is served by a fleet of electric buses only.....

 

Try and be a little bit less closed-minded. The technology is improving, and is already being used elsewhere. It will happen here someday, too.

 

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43 minutes ago, smallspy said:

 

Most routes do, but not all. Plus, there's the issue of range, as the types of battery vehicles designed to be charged frequently may not have enough range to complete round trips on some of the longer routes - especially once you factor in things like any detours that may be necessary.

 

If you have a vehicle that is designed to operate for a "day" of service, there is no restriction to what routes it could do as there is no hardware that they need to use outside of the garage. Any restrictions have to do with battery usage and how long they are able to run for that "day".

 

And yet, a city far, far bigger than ours is served by a fleet of electric buses only.....

 

Try and be a little bit less closed-minded. The technology is improving, and is already being used elsewhere. It will happen here someday, too.

 

Dan

What city is that? Is it cold climate?

I googled and I assume you mean Shenzhen, China. Well, the climate there is quite warm, with average lows in their "winter" of 12C. So yeah.

And who's gonna complain in China about the range? Off with their heads! :)

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On 2/10/2019 at 2:04 PM, Orion VI said:

Don't really know if this would work but, you know how MTA has Highway Coaches in operation (D4500, X3-45 and they just demoed a J4500), right? Couldn't the TTC do this, and use them as express route buses, and use the electric buses from normal routes? (the highway coaches would be diesel)

This would only work on the airport Express route. 

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