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On 12/20/2019 at 8:54 AM, PCC Guy said:

They didn't mention deleting photos, but I've still been hearing rumors that it's occurring on random accounts. I am not really able to confirm if this is 100% true or not.

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On 12/12/2018 at 7:11 PM, Matt Dunlop said:

Wow. Thankfully I have 999 photos, so nothing of mine will be lost! I'm not going to pay for pro... not when I can upload photos to Facebook for free. 

LOL. Your account shows it's Pro now?

As per the topic of the day. I'm in different. I'd be annoyed, but, if I wanted a photo gallery type of set up to dump images on I should be able to set something up with Gallery on the server we have Barp on, and I'd save money since I wouldn't be feeding Flickr. Not everyone has that option, and some people have invested a hell of a lot more time and effort into their collection on Flickr than I have, but,that's my view on it.

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On 12/23/2019 at 9:27 PM, M. Parsons said:

LOL. Your account shows it's Pro now?

As per the topic of the day. I'm in different. I'd be annoyed, but, if I wanted a photo gallery type of set up to dump images on I should be able to set something up with Gallery on the server we have Barp on, and I'd save money since I wouldn't be feeding Flickr. Not everyone has that option, and some people have invested a hell of a lot more time and effort into their collection on Flickr than I have, but,that's my view on it.

Yeah, I decided to go for Pro although I'm not sure why I did. I don't upload much but at least it's less than $10/month. 

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I've spent countless hours on making descriptions and tags for these photos (all 35,000 of them). These photos aren't the most important, but I more or less upload them for archival purposes, along with the occasional artistic shot. I don't like mass-posting photos on FB, and IG is just really for occasional photos, not archives. I just wish Flickr gave more a damn about this.

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From this staff post in response the concerns over that announcement, it doesn't sound like they are about to just disappear overnight like some are suggesting. Rather they just need to get some more revenue coming in long term if they are going to keep the site going long term.

https://www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/72157712280985623/page4/#reply72157712303453822

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Don-MacAskillsays: Hey all,

First of all, thank you for being so passionate about Flickr. This is the reason we love this community and the reason we're all working so hard to ensure it not only survives, but thrives. And for our Flickr Pros, especially, thank you so much for supporting us. We couldn't do this without you.

I wanted to address a few of the most common questions & concerns I've seen in the last ~341 messages:

- Flickr is not in danger of being shut down, and shutting it down is not one of our contingency plans. Your photos are safe. We just need to generate a little more revenue to ensure they're safe _forever_. We're close, thanks to the big surge in support from this community in the last year, but we're not quite there yet. We have to reach a break-even run rate. But we will get there, one way or the other. And again, we're close.

- We are not trying to push people to move to SmugMug. They're very different platforms with very different use cases. The earlier email was simply trying to make sure that our Flickr Pro members know they can _also_ get 50% off at SmugMug as part of their Flickr Pro perks. That's all. Some photographers would like to use both for the things each is good at, and we wanted to make that easier and cheaper to do. There is absolutely no plan to move everyone to SmugMug, there never has been.

- We are not getting rid of Flickr free accounts and going Pro-only. We believe photographers who can't or won't join Flickr Pro can still make big, important contributions to our community, and we love having them participate. We will almost certainly continue to make changes to features that are Free vs Pro, to continue to fine-tune what is appropriate for Pro members to receive above and beyond Free. You can expect to see Pro continue to get better relative to Free, and Free will likely lose some access and features. But Free members will always be able to meaningfully contribute to the community, including with their amazing photography.

- Less than 1% of Flickr members pay for Flickr Pro. We don't think that's fair, and it makes improving Flickr more difficult, so we're working hard to change that ratio, including sending this letter. If we had 1% membership in Flickr Pro, Flickr would be safe for the forseeable future, likely forever. It would be making enough revenue that we could invest in all the new and improved features listed on this thread. We hope we'll get there, but we need your help. That's what the letter was all about, getting the community's help, not doom & gloom.

- There has been a lot of talk about the cost of storage and servers and cloud computing. You're right that those are very expensive, particularly at Flickr's mammoth scale, but the more important costs, and the ones I hope you're all aware of, are our people. There are lot of great feature requests and improvement ideas on this thread, many of which we're working on, and all of which take a lot of talented, hard-working people to make happen. The reason we're here today, with Flickr safe in AWS, faster, with fewer Pandas, and with amazing Heroic Support, is due to all of their hard work. I have been in the trenches with all of them, and you'd be amazed at just how hard they worked to make this happen. I continue to be in awe. If you want Flickr to continue to improve, at an even faster pace, like I do, then this isn't about storage and servers - it's about people.

I deeply love Flickr, our photographers, and our members. I think most of you do, too. I'm trying hard to do everything I can to ensure it lasts forever, including writing & sending an open, honest, transparent letter about how we'll get there.

I hope you'll help us all out.
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For myself, I have no plans to discontinue using Flickr. With my variety of photo topic interests and 20,000+ photos and videos posted on my account I think $50 a year is reasonable. There are some improvements I'd like to see such as fixing the 'collections' up and having those posted more prominently again. However the site has certainly improved over the past year since they took over. (It was common to run into glitches before)

Nothing online is guaranteed. Servers can crash, malware can wipe out data, sites can be sold and changed, etc. I always view online posting and sharing photos as a way to broadcast and share my perspective. I maintain backups of all my photos and have never just assumed that what I put online will forever be available to me. 11 years ago when I went to downtown St. Paul with my shiny new P&S camera I simply wanted to get some photos of Metro Transit buses to share with my fellow transitfans and to have for my own amusement. I was mesmerized after discovering a different transit forum and seeing all the photos and news on other systems, so wanted to reciprocate that in a way. A year later I decided to hop on the Flickr bandwagon as it seemed a good spot to post and organize my growing collection of photos. I have been happy there since. I've met a lot of awesome people through Flickr, and made some good friends. Overall I have no regrets. My time spent on there has provided me countless hours of entertainment and honestly at times provided a needed distraction during some rough moments in life. Sure, if the site eventually goes dark it'll be disappointing, but I'm sure I can find something else if it gets to that point.

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Could not help posting this here. This is a thread in the forums about photographers complaining of too many school buses 😂

https://www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/72157712444783066/

 

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Stickwork-Steve  says:

Why are there so many uninteresting and pointless photos of school buses today in Explore? Do we really need to see 10 or so pics of average looking school buses in a parking lot......no. I think the flickr bot can do better.
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Nionyn_  says:

Maybe it's to celebrate the New Year?

Everybody knows that nothing says "Happy New Year" like school buses in a parking lot.
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J. Turano  says:

I agree about the school buses. I thought, and correct me if I'm wrong, that you could only have one picture posted in Explore at a time. I've noticed a trend where photographers will have a number of pictures posted in Explore at a time. I may be alone in this, but how many shots of planes, cars, trucks, and buses do we need to see in Explore. How creative is that?
I thought, and again correct me if I'm wrong, that Explore was all about the most creative shots for the day. I used to be inspired by viewing Explore. How inspiring are planes, trains, cars, and trucks! Come on Flickr, you need to be a lot more selective in choosing shots for Explore.
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Pictures from the Ghost Garden  says:

62089664@N07.jpg?1520806523#62089664@N07 Darren LoPrinzi:

it’s consistently much more overrun with bird photos than it is bus photos. Why are people so hyper-focused on the buses?



From an objective point of view that is probably because the nature of bird photography requires specialised equipment and a degree of skill in terms of use of apertures and shutter speeds. Consequently the bird photos generally have attributes that will appeal to a wider audience, and not just those with an interest in ornithology.

On the other hand many of the bus photos are just grab shots of passing vehicles. Even where there is the opportunity to more carefully compose the image, the result is almost always a record shot pure and simple, totally appropriate and adequate to fulfil the purposes of the bus enthusiast but pictorially of little interest to others, though some may contain elements that may be of social history value in years to come depending on setting and content.

Also, as they are all yellow, they draw particular attention to the way that the current iteration of the Explore algorithm sometimes selects large numbers of photos by the same photographer on the same day. I challenge even the most contrary of commentators to come up with a convincing case why this particular tendency of the algorithm is either desirable or one that was an intentional outcome.

Start visiting Explore regularly though and constant repetition of style and subject soon becomes obvious, it’s not just birds and buses.
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Pictures from the Ghost Garden  says:

27950735@N08.jpg?1380725852#27950735@N08 Oldt1mer - Keith:

It's the views which are being manipulated and getting these, er, pictures into Explore.



Not necessarily. I wonder many of those 5000 views are just the result of the photo being in Explore. There have been suggestions that this whole multi bus thing is a stunt but it is also possible that the photographers involved are just going about their bus spotting hobby and every so often the regular activity on their photos is picked up the flawed(?) algorithm and hey presto, multiple yellow buses in Explore.

Many of the accounts involved have been posting multiple photos of buses day in day out for years and most don’t get Explored. They don’t appear interested in the fact that they get Explored. Are they really manipulating their way in?

 

 

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That's why I just focus on photographing school buses if they're used as a substitute for a regular transit bus (see Orangeville) or as a commuter route (see Howard Bus Service).

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6 hours ago, Chris W said:

That's why I just focus on photographing school buses if they're used as a substitute for a regular transit bus (see Orangeville) or as a commuter route (see Howard Bus Service).

I don't think they care about some people posting tons of school bus photos on Flickr, their complaint (which I can understand) was simply so many school bus photos appearing repetitively in the 'Explore' feed.

As an aside though it is kind of funny how for some (many?) of us we will go out of our way to grab a shot of a motorcoach or transit bus spotted somewhere, yet happen across a school bus with perfect 3/4 sun angle in a parking lot or where ever, easy shot, but meh just not interested.

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