MK78 Posted November 8, 2022 Report Share Posted November 8, 2022 4 hours ago, TTC7957 said: Due to a “critical safety issue” and numerous other problems with the BYD bus fleet such as height clearance and battery/electric issues, they have been permanently removed from service. If true, good riddance. I hope the TTC learned from their mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A Posted November 8, 2022 Report Share Posted November 8, 2022 7 hours ago, TTC7957 said: Due to a “critical safety issue” and numerous other problems with the BYD bus fleet such as height clearance and battery/electric issues, they have been permanently removed from service. At least that’s what I heard.. I would like to see an official statement before it can be considered true. If so that's not going to look very good on BYD. A few bus systems returned or canceled their orders. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTC7957 Posted November 8, 2022 Report Share Posted November 8, 2022 1 hour ago, G.A said: I would like to see an official statement before it can be considered true. If so that's not going to look very good on BYD. A few bus systems returned or canceled their orders. Yeah for sure, but tbh I wouldn't be too surprised. The buses never were able to fit through some overpasses in city due to the height, safety issues (which they never disclosed to the public), battery discharge issues and electrical system issues, and a buggy system in general along with quality control problems. You'd think after all the garbage the city has ordered in the past they'd learn by now, but they definitely didn't. BYD bus #3752 actually came back to the city recently (not sure if it's still here), I think a week or two ago. It was the only unit here and it wasn't even on TTC property, it was at 843 Eastern Avenue (311 City Vehicle maintenance area). I guess lets see what happens because there is bound to be an official announcement or something soon about the situation eventually... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MK78 Posted November 9, 2022 Report Share Posted November 9, 2022 40 minutes ago, TTC7957 said: The buses never were able to fit through some overpasses in city due to the height, safety issues (which they never disclosed to the public), How did they even accept them into service to begin with? surely they must have measured the height when they arrived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Articulated Posted November 9, 2022 Report Share Posted November 9, 2022 9 minutes ago, MK78 said: How did they even accept them into service to begin with? surely they must have measured the height when they arrived. I'm not aware of any specific on-road locations where the BYDs were restricted from; but that's not saying they may not exist somewhere in the City. The one incident I am aware of occurred inside Don Mills Station; the height limit for BYDs over the roadway was fine, but one bus mounted the curb as they were turning out of a platform, and that allowed the bus to come into contact with the mechanical ventilation over the passenger platforms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keee Posted November 9, 2022 Report Share Posted November 9, 2022 5 hours ago, TTC7957 said: Yeah for sure, but tbh I wouldn't be too surprised. The buses never were able to fit through some overpasses in city due to the height, safety issues (which they never disclosed to the public), battery discharge issues and electrical system issues, and a buggy system in general along with quality control problems. You'd think after all the garbage the city has ordered in the past they'd learn by now, but they definitely didn't. BYD bus #3752 actually came back to the city recently (not sure if it's still here), I think a week or two ago. It was the only unit here and it wasn't even on TTC property, it was at 843 Eastern Avenue (311 City Vehicle maintenance area). I guess lets see what happens because there is bound to be an official announcement or something soon about the situation eventually... So where are the others? Scrap station or BYD's plant in Newmarket? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun Posted November 9, 2022 Report Share Posted November 9, 2022 17 hours ago, Articulated said: I'm not aware of any specific on-road locations where the BYDs were restricted from; but that's not saying they may not exist somewhere in the City. The one incident I am aware of occurred inside Don Mills Station; the height limit for BYDs over the roadway was fine, but one bus mounted the curb as they were turning out of a platform, and that allowed the bus to come into contact with the mechanical ventilation over the passenger platforms. The Orion VII HEV barely has enough clearance to fit under those vents as well. I believe this was a NO CNG station as well when they were around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Articulated Posted November 9, 2022 Report Share Posted November 9, 2022 The TTC can accommodate for specific locational concerns, and has a long history of doing so previously. Prohibiting CNG buses from certain stations was one of the most visible. For a time, hybrids were also partially restricted from 35 Jane at one point due to clearance with the canopy at the furthest east bay at Jane Station; this was resolved by extending the platform edge. The issue with BYD buses was resolved by not assigning them to routes out of Don Mills Station (since they're all based at Eglinton, that only really applies to the 25/925). But it's an overcomable issue, and not something that would necessitate their sudden retirement from the system. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTC7957 Posted November 10, 2022 Report Share Posted November 10, 2022 I think there was also a problem with the wheel axles bc a few buses had to get maintenance on that quite a few times above normal. There was a BYD bus that had something fail while it was doing a tight turn. There was also many more consistent issues with the buses not handling sharp turns properly as well and who knows what else there is that wasn't disclosed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun Posted November 10, 2022 Report Share Posted November 10, 2022 3 hours ago, TTC7957 said: I think there was also a problem with the wheel axles bc a few buses had to get maintenance on that quite a few times above normal. There was a BYD bus that had something fail while it was doing a tight turn. There was also many more consistent issues with the buses not handling sharp turns properly as well and who knows what else there is that wasn't disclosed. I guess they don't use the standard ZF front axle. https://www.zf.com/products/en/cv/products_65813.html EDIT. They do use ZF from axles. https://en.byd.com/bus/k9m/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keee Posted November 12, 2022 Report Share Posted November 12, 2022 Someone said that #3752 was the only unit here in the city, while I saw #3754 in Eglinton garage today. On TransSee this unit is "Last Seen" in August, hence I have no idea if it's the first unit that BYD returns, or it just secretly stays in the garage for months and no one discovered. (p.s. #3752 not found) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTC7957 Posted November 13, 2022 Report Share Posted November 13, 2022 20 hours ago, Keee said: Someone said that #3752 was the only unit here in the city, while I saw #3754 in Eglinton garage today. On TransSee this unit is "Last Seen" in August, hence I have no idea if it's the first unit that BYD returns, or it just secretly stays in the garage for months and no one discovered. (p.s. #3752 not found) Also to add to this, #3751 and 3757 are back and were at Wilson Station with a bunch of orange vest guys inside. Both returned to Arrow Road Garage and they are right at the back, just barely visible from the fence. #3759 is also at Arrow Road next to #3751, the electric bus wrap is gone and its missing its bike rack. It is what I believe that #3754 never ended up moving from that location in the first place, but just nobody noticed it was still here because its only one of two tracking in eglinton while the rest that moved around aren't tracking. #3752 must also be at Eglinton, maybe inside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keee Posted November 13, 2022 Report Share Posted November 13, 2022 3 hours ago, TTC7957 said: Also to add to this, #3751 and 3757 are back and were at Wilson Station with a bunch of orange vest guys inside. Both returned to Arrow Road Garage and they are right at the back, just barely visible from the fence. #3759 is also at Arrow Road next to #3751, the electric bus wrap is gone and its missing its bike rack. It is what I believe that #3754 never ended up moving from that location in the first place, but just nobody noticed it was still here because its only one of two tracking in eglinton while the rest that moved around aren't tracking. #3752 must also be at Eglinton, maybe inside. This is interesting. It reveals that now those BYDs might use DC charging, as I believe only Eglinton has the AC charging used to be dedicated to BYD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTC7957 Posted November 14, 2022 Report Share Posted November 14, 2022 3 hours ago, Keee said: This is interesting. It reveals that now those BYDs might use DC charging, as I believe only Eglinton has the AC charging used to be dedicated to BYD. Arrow doesn't have AC charging. They are just there for whatever they are doing with them. Perhaps there is a convertor or maybe they shift from Eglinton to there time to time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bus_Medic Posted November 14, 2022 Report Share Posted November 14, 2022 44 minutes ago, TTC7957 said: Arrow doesn't have AC charging. They are just there for whatever they are doing with them. Perhaps there is a convertor or maybe they shift from Eglinton to there time to time Or it’s just a convenient place to store them before being offloaded. Arrow does have more square footage than any other division. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilovettc Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 BYDS Update on TransSee 3754 was at Eglinton then it got driven to BYD Newmarket Power Plant this Morning 3756 is back at Eglinton Garage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 Just now, ilovettc said: BYDS Update on TransSee 3754 was at Eglinton then it got driven to BYD Newmarket Power Plant this Morning 3756 is back at Eglinton Garage I saw a Proterra on Eglinton west. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kumiko Oumae Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 According to the new service summary, the XE40s will be split with Arrow Road and Birchmount so I assume Arrow will retain 15 while Birchmount will get 10? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTC Guy Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 55 minutes ago, Kumiko Oumae said: According to the new service summary, the XE40s will be split with Arrow Road and Birchmount so I assume Arrow will retain 15 while Birchmount will get 10? Yup, 3715-3724 to Bmt, 3700-3714 will stay at Arrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilovettc Posted November 29, 2022 Report Share Posted November 29, 2022 3756 at Arrow Rd Garage For some weird reason today some of the E Buses are going to Scarborough Convention Centre and then going back to the Garages TransSee^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andythagiant Posted November 29, 2022 Report Share Posted November 29, 2022 1 hour ago, ilovettc said: 3756 at Arrow Rd Garage For some weird reason today some of the E Buses are going to Scarborough Convention Centre and then going back to the Garages TransSee^^ It’s for CUTRIC’s Low Carbon Smart Mobility and Smart Rail Conference from Nov 28-30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilovettc Posted November 30, 2022 Report Share Posted November 30, 2022 TransSee 3740 (**Mt Dennis**) & 3756 (**Eglinton**) at Arrow Rd Garage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leylandvictory2 Posted December 3, 2022 Report Share Posted December 3, 2022 On 11/8/2022 at 7:38 PM, Articulated said: I'm not aware of any specific on-road locations where the BYDs were restricted from; but that's not saying they may not exist somewhere in the City. The one incident I am aware of occurred inside Don Mills Station; the height limit for BYDs over the roadway was fine, but one bus mounted the curb as they were turning out of a platform, and that allowed the bus to come into contact with the mechanical ventilation over the passenger platforms. the byd bus that was involved in the accident at don mills station did not mount the curb. The driver did a manuever called over hang maneuver. it is a maneuver where a portion of the bus (right before the front axel) was laying over the sidewalk or in this case the platform in order to make the bus align closer to the platform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom1122 Posted December 9, 2022 Report Share Posted December 9, 2022 According to Transsee, 3724 was running along Danforth Avenue but wasn't in service? Driver training perhaps? Also, Proterra 3739 has been hanging around Birchmount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom1122 Posted December 23, 2022 Report Share Posted December 23, 2022 3713 got its electric bus wrap back after it was removed following being warpped for pride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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