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1 minute ago, TTC7447 said:

You may want to check the date on that tweet in addition to earlier posts on the thread before claiming this happened today...

Blame BlogTO for reporting it late then, shouldn't have relied on it in the first place

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Earlier I was looking on Transsee to try to find at least one of 7 electric buses I have yet to ride (5 Proterras and 2 BYDs). I looked for 3756 and Transsee put it on Hwy 404 but last seen November 22. 

It looked like it was going to Newmarket, IIRC the factory is in/around Newmarket as in 2019 I saw two TTC painted but at the time unlettered BYD buses. So is there a reason 3756 would be going to the factory that TTC can't do?

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1 hour ago, Tom1122 said:

Earlier I was looking on Transsee to try to find at least one of 7 electric buses I have yet to ride (5 Proterras and 2 BYDs). I looked for 3756 and Transsee put it on Hwy 404 but last seen November 22. 

It looked like it was going to Newmarket, IIRC the factory is in/around Newmarket as in 2019 I saw two TTC painted but at the time unlettered BYD buses. So is there a reason 3756 would be going to the factory that TTC can't do?

TTC can't do work covered under warranty on their own buses in-house. The manufacturer would, or whatever company they designate to do the repairs.

Given these are also the TTC's first fully electric buses, it could also be an issue with a component or system that TTC staff aren't currently trained or equipped to repair.

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19 hours ago, Articulated said:

Demonstrators are fairly common; many manufacturers tour their buses around for transit systems to look at, even ones that are extremely unlikely to ever be ordered. The costs are usually covered by the manufacturer, so it doesn't really cost the transit system anything to have them on property. Since the vast majority never see passenger service, most fans don't know they exist or ever visited.

There's a wristful irony about electric bus demonstrators in that Flyer leased one of their rebuilds back form the TTC and demonstrated it in a bunch of places.  I've seen pictures of it running in Hamilton, Boston, and Edmonton.  I think it was trialled in a few more places and Flyer did get some trolleybus sales out of it.

Eventually, it hasn't happened yet, but eventually my travels will have me cross paths with one of the current TTC electric buses but until then, the last time I rode on a TTC electric bus was on Bay St. in the fall of 1992 when they were put out for the last gasp of running out the lease period on the Edmonton BBCs.  My regular twice a day electric bus ride got shut down in December 1991 when the 61 Nortown line was changed to bus.  There was no reprieve or last stand for the three lines out of Eglinton and even though it was billed as a temporary mothballing pending a final decision later at the time, everyone knew they were never going to come back.  I'll gather my thoughts on it and write a more detailed post on it in a few days in December when we come up on 30 years (Where did the last three decades go?) from the beginning of the end.

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30 minutes ago, Wayside Observer said:

There's a wristful irony about electric bus demonstrators in that Flyer leased one of their rebuilds back form the TTC and demonstrated it in a bunch of places.  I've seen pictures of it running in Hamilton, Boston, and Edmonton.  I think it was trialled in a few more places and Flyer did get some trolleybus sales out of it.

Eventually, it hasn't happened yet, but eventually my travels will have me cross paths with one of the current TTC electric buses but until then, the last time I rode on a TTC electric bus was on Bay St. in the fall of 1992 when they were put out for the last gasp of running out the lease period on the Edmonton BBCs.  My regular twice a day electric bus ride got shut down in December 1991 when the 61 Nortown line was changed to bus.  There was no reprieve or last stand for the three lines out of Eglinton and even though it was billed as a temporary mothballing pending a final decision later at the time, everyone knew they were never going to come back.  I'll gather my thoughts on it and write a more detailed post on it in a few days in December when we come up on 30 years (Where did the last three decades go?) from the beginning of the end.

It's kinda too bad they don't run the Proterras on Bay anymore.

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6 hours ago, FabianColeyLOVESBUSES said:

I saw the demo on the flatbed truck at Arrow Road Garage today its heading to other cities for trial I was told by the flatbed truck driver. The employees at Arrow Road loved it though except for the windows. I  got to speak to some folks I know at the Division. 

Whats wrong with the windows?

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12 hours ago, Bus_Medic said:

Frameless flush windows, demos tend to have all the bells and whistles. A non issue in a bulk order to our standard spec.

Ah, right...

Are frameless windows less durable, or harder to repair/replace? or  is it just the question of upfront cost.

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Any idea if Hillcrest presently has a place to charge electric buses. Presumably 3728 will be taken to Hillcrest for repairs. Once the bus is fixed, would it be able to be charged or would it just be towed back to Mount Dennis (Hopefully properly this time! 😆 )

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On 11/28/2021 at 6:44 AM, FabianColeyLOVESBUSES said:

There is actually two Nova full electric bus prototypes at Arrow Road. The LFSE and the LFSE+. I guess TTC might consider ordering some electric buses from Nova in the future.

So what's the difference between the LFSE and the LFSE+?

 

On 11/27/2021 at 5:56 PM, Tom1122 said:

I wonder if the incident with 3728 will cause TTC to reconsider getting a fleet of their own tow trucks.

I'm surprised the TTC doesn't have their own Tow Trucks? I thought they did? OC has I think 1 or 2 of their own, I would of thoght the TTC would have at least 1 or 2 of their own considering the size of their bus fleet?

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4 hours ago, MCIBUS said:

So what's the difference between the LFSE and the LFSE+?

 

I'm surprised the TTC doesn't have their own Tow Trucks? I thought they did? OC has I think 1 or 2 of their own, I would of thoght the TTC would have at least 1 or 2 of their own considering the size of their bus fleet?

One is charged at the garage, the other is charged throughout the day at the ends of its route.

 

The TTC never had dedicated tow trucks, and would flat tow their buses using two mechanics, a service truck  and a drawbar. This practice ended in the early 1990s, and they’ve been subcontracting out all towing since.

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22 hours ago, Tom1122 said:

Any idea if Hillcrest presently has a place to charge electric buses. Presumably 3728 will be taken to Hillcrest for repairs. Once the bus is fixed, would it be able to be charged or would it just be towed back to Mount Dennis (Hopefully properly this time! 😆 )

No chargers at Hillcrest last time I was there several months ago. Some Proterras have sat out of service for months without being charged had little to no high voltage battery drain. The 24v batteries drain after a week or so but once they are boosted and the bus is turned on, the high voltage system takes over and the bus can be driven. 

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The Protera's have had success in other places I wonder why the TTC is having such bad luck with them? 

I can understand New Flyers success, seeing that they have taken an existing bus and converted it to an EV. They have a baseline to start with.

 So the question is, what do do with a bunch of oddball poorly performing EV buses? 

Keep then around and run them as they are able to? But then maintenance and parts for such a small fleet is expensive. 

Or sell them off to the highest bidder? But who would want them? Possibly the manufacturer would buy them back to not tarnish their reputation?

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3 hours ago, Shaun said:

The Protera's have had success in other places I wonder why the TTC is having such bad luck with them? 

 So the question is, what do do with a bunch of oddball poorly performing EV buses? 

You are perhaps jumping to conclusions. Wait for the TTC's final report.

Edmonton's Proterra's have had some teething issues which did look pretty grim at times. Right now there's about 5 MIA buses. That is a SIGNIFICANT improvement from 1 year ago. Longest block we are aware of was 15 hours long. There might have even been a 16 hour block, so, as they've learned more about the buses the utilization has improved. 

I would imagine the same thing will play out with the TTC with improvements over the first report.

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6 hours ago, M. Parsons said:

You are perhaps jumping to conclusions. Wait for the TTC's final report.

Edmonton's Proterra's have had some teething issues which did look pretty grim at times. Right now there's about 5 MIA buses. That is a SIGNIFICANT improvement from 1 year ago. Longest block we are aware of was 15 hours long. There might have even been a 16 hour block, so, as they've learned more about the buses the utilization has improved. 

I would imagine the same thing will play out with the TTC with improvements over the first report.

I hope so. A number of them have been out of service for months. This is probably due to parts and warranty issues. 

TTC also have a tendency to put them on shorter blocks in the winter months. So each unit won't do more than 8-10 hours each day over the two rush hour blocks.

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7 minutes ago, Articulated said:

This could also go into the Missing in Action buses thread, but 3752 has reappeared in service today for the first time since September 7th. This now brings the total of functioning BYD buses back up to 3: 3752, 3753, and 3755. 3754 used to be the third serviceable one, but it hasn't been out since December 22nd.

Can confirm, rode 3752 this morning on 67B Pharmacy.  

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I was planning to write a longer post elsewhere in a different thread but the day got away from me today, so 11:09 PM, I'll put a quick one here:

30 years ago was a grim day in North Toronto.  All fall and early winter, riding the Flyers twice a day every day and seeing them running while I was out and about was a surreal experience knowing that it was a death watch and the clock was ticking fast on the whole thing getting shut down.  The third week of December came and 61 Nortown and 74 Mount Pleasant went a few days early.  Then, on December 28, 1991, was the end of electric buses out of Eglinton when the last 103 Nortown East of the night went out of service.  And that was it, electric bus service in our neighbourhood was gone, completely gone.

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