smallspy Posted May 9, 2019 Report Share Posted May 9, 2019 7 hours ago, M. Parsons said: However, the interesting one is quality concerns. TTC must have staff or representatives checking out buses in production and they must not like what they see if quality is a concern at this stage. It's pretty typical for agencies procuring vehicles to have representatives inspecting vehicles at the manufacturers facility. They absolutely do. It's part of every vehicle procurement that the TTC goes through. 7 hours ago, M. Parsons said: Guess we'll see what more becomes of this. Indeed. Dan 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dowlingm Posted May 10, 2019 Report Share Posted May 10, 2019 The facility inspectors was an interesting one during the Flexity procurement, given that TTC kept claiming that Bombardier were promising them cars on various schedules, yet the facility inspectors must surely have been giving TTC enough feedback on their inspections to infer production rate (and maybe MDBF too). Perhaps a lesson has been learned for this process and the nature of the inspection contracts/arrangements have changed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genius101 Posted May 14, 2019 Report Share Posted May 14, 2019 The 3700s should be delivered to Queensway to replace the soon to be retiring 7900s and 8000s. They handle new flyer buses well and it's only fair that they get the procurement of this series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtrazsteve Posted May 14, 2019 Report Share Posted May 14, 2019 20 minutes ago, Genius101 said: The 3700s should be delivered to Queensway to replace the soon to be retiring 7900s and 8000s. They handle new flyer buses well and it's only fair that they get the procurement of this series. Nah they should have sent the BYDs there XD. It's only fair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bus_7246 Posted May 14, 2019 Report Share Posted May 14, 2019 5 hours ago, Genius101 said: The 3700s should be delivered to Queensway to replace the soon to be retiring 7900s and 8000s. They handle new flyer buses well and it's only fair that they get the procurement of this series. Queensway or Birchmount cannot receive any new vehicles in the near future because of old architecture that allowed for only diesel vehicles. Hybrids and battery-electric buses exceed the height clearance that allows for these vehicle to operate inside the buildings. Also, Queensway was known for their reputation with Flyers/New Flyers in the past. But times have changed, and generations of employees have come and gone. What was the case over 5 years ago is definitely not the case today 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Someguy3071 Posted May 14, 2019 Report Share Posted May 14, 2019 9 hours ago, Genius101 said: They handle new flyer buses well and it's only fair that they get the procurement of this series. You do realize that these new electric buses have very little in common with old New Flyer buses? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TechnicaProductions Posted May 14, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 14, 2019 3701 is delivered at Arrow 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommike Posted May 14, 2019 Report Share Posted May 14, 2019 hi do anyone now xe40 have the higher power to do hilly roads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genius101 Posted May 14, 2019 Report Share Posted May 14, 2019 7 hours ago, bus_7246 said: Queensway or Birchmount cannot receive any new vehicles in the near future because of old architecture that allowed for only diesel vehicles. Hybrids and battery-electric buses exceed the height clearance that allows for these vehicle to operate inside the buildings. Also, Queensway was known for their reputation with Flyers/New Flyers in the past. But times have changed, and generations of employees have come and gone. What was the case over 5 years ago is definitely not the case today That means more "hand me downs" to replace the 7900s and 8000s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandeWest_B35G Posted May 14, 2019 Report Share Posted May 14, 2019 TTC Electric Bus Deliveries This post with be edited until the first spotting on the next page is posted. Green- delivered, in service Black- delivered, not in service Red- not delivered New Flyer XE40: 3700 3701 3702 3703 3704 3705 3706 3707 3708 3709 3710 3711 3712 3713 3714 3715 3716 3717 3718 3719 2/20 delivered, 0/20 in service. BYD K9M: 3720 3721 3722 3723 3724 3725 3726 3727 3728 3729 3730-3739 cancelled 0/10 delivered, 0/10 in service. Proterra Catalyst BE40: 3740 3741 3742 3743 3744 3745 3746 3747 3748 3749 3750 3751 3752 3753 3754 3755 3756 3757 3758 3759 0/20 delivered, 0/20 in service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mar_AC_23 Posted May 14, 2019 Report Share Posted May 14, 2019 16 minutes ago, Imgursdownvote4love said: TTC Electric Bus Deliveries This post with be edited until the first spotting on the next page is posted. Green- delivered, in service Black- delivered, not in service Red- not delivered New Flyer XE40: 3700 3701 3702 3703 3704 3705 3706 3707 3708 3709 3710 3711 3712 3713 3714 3715 3716 3717 3718 3719 2/20 delivered, 0/20 in service. BYD K9M: 3720 3721 3722 3723 3724 3725 3726 3727 3728 3729 3730-3739 cancelled 0/10 delivered, 0/10 in service. Proterra Catalyst BE40: 3740 3741 3742 3743 3744 3745 3746 3747 3748 3749 3750 3751 3752 3753 3754 3755 3756 3757 3758 3759 0/20 delivered, 0/20 in service. You already have this list posted multiple times on this thread. It's not necessary and it's a waste of time. Just update one of them instead of posting a new one each time a vehicle is delivered, for example. I believe I mentioned this to you before. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandeWest_B35G Posted May 14, 2019 Report Share Posted May 14, 2019 3 hours ago, Shemar said: You already have this list posted multiple times on this thread First, I'm on mobile, so it's hard to scroll through pages. If there's a better way than either repeatedly pressing 'prevous page' or copying the link and pasting it back (editing the 'page=X' part), I'd love to know. Secondly, I only copied the NFI section. I guess it copied the whole thing instead. Sorry for that. Also, I'd love it if @TechnicaProductions put a link to whatever the first one was in the topic post. Finally, what I think is "not necessary and a waste of time" is quoting the entirety of a large post, as it is annoying having to scroll past them. I admit I am in the wrong. I am used to posting these in the prairie provinces' forums (where it'll be updated several times before a new page is created). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommike Posted May 15, 2019 Report Share Posted May 15, 2019 hi what the grey things on both side of rear door? it kinda looks like out side door opener? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutharsan Posted May 15, 2019 Report Share Posted May 15, 2019 11 hours ago, TechnicaProductions said: 3701 is delivered at Arrow was it driven by contract driver or by truck with flatbed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A Posted May 15, 2019 Report Share Posted May 15, 2019 5 minutes ago, Sutharsan said: was it driven by contract driver or by truck with flatbed? Like 3700, it was flatbeded in. All electrics are trucked in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtrazsteve Posted May 15, 2019 Report Share Posted May 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Sutharsan said: was it driven by contract driver or by truck with flatbed? If you thought about it, it's impossible to drive them in from Minnesota. Where would they be about to charge the bus and who's going to pay for the hotel while the driver waits for the damn thing to charge for 4-6+ hours? Logistically speaking, these overnight charging electric buses have the word fail written all over it. Until they invent a way to easily swap the batteries, it's going to be a nightmare to ensure all buses are charged when they have 250 of them. If they have to fill up an empty diesel bus, it'll just be late for service. Charging an empty bus, they'll lose the entire shift. They can't temporarily allocate more bus to a garage. Not only they won't have enough chargers, they grid can only handle so many buses being charged at the same time. The garage can't even handle different types of buses either. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meltingtomato Posted May 15, 2019 Report Share Posted May 15, 2019 Perhaps it came up during the initial procurement, but why was a (for lack of a better term) more conventional plug-in electric bus chosen over the "dock to overhead catenary" that (many) XE40s and LFSes use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallspy Posted May 15, 2019 Report Share Posted May 15, 2019 8 hours ago, Xtrazsteve said: Logistically speaking, these overnight charging electric buses have the word fail written all over it. Until they invent a way to easily swap the batteries, it's going to be a nightmare to ensure all buses are charged when they have 250 of them. If they have to fill up an empty diesel bus, it'll just be late for service. Charging an empty bus, they'll lose the entire shift. They can't temporarily allocate more bus to a garage. Not only they won't have enough chargers, they grid can only handle so many buses being charged at the same time. The garage can't even handle different types of buses either. And how have they done it elsewhere? I'll be the first to admit the the technology may not be ready for prime-time usage right now, but as the technology improves it will become so. There are ways around all of the problems that you've listed, and most of them are not even that important in the grand scheme of things. 6 hours ago, meltingtomato said: Perhaps it came up during the initial procurement, but why was a (for lack of a better term) more conventional plug-in electric bus chosen over the "dock to overhead catenary" that (many) XE40s and LFSes use? It's been covered several times here, but the gist of it is: An overnight-charged bus can operate on any given route. There is no additional infrastructure, beyond what is needed at the garage, needed to support it in the fleet or on the street. A bus that gets charged at the end of its routes needs a lot of infrastructure at the loops (and potentially even in the middle of the route), and thus it makes it much harder to change (lengthen, shorten, or move the terminals of) the route if the requirements dictate it. As well, the buses will only be able to operate on those routes where the infrastructure has been installed. Dan 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandeWest_B35G Posted May 15, 2019 Report Share Posted May 15, 2019 9 hours ago, Xtrazsteve said: Until they invent a way to easily swap the batteries, It's been done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutharsan Posted May 15, 2019 Report Share Posted May 15, 2019 9 hours ago, Xtrazsteve said: If you thought about it, it's impossible to drive them in from Minnesota. Where would they be about to charge the bus and who's going to pay for the hotel while the driver waits for the damn thing to charge for 4-6+ hours? Logistically speaking, these overnight charging electric buses have the word fail written all over it. Until they invent a way to easily swap the batteries, it's going to be a nightmare to ensure all buses are charged when they have 250 of them. If they have to fill up an empty diesel bus, it'll just be late for service. Charging an empty bus, they'll lose the entire shift. They can't temporarily allocate more bus to a garage. Not only they won't have enough chargers, they grid can only handle so many buses being charged at the same time. The garage can't even handle different types of buses either. Thanks for your information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meltingtomato Posted May 16, 2019 Report Share Posted May 16, 2019 13 hours ago, smallspy said: It's been covered several times here, but the gist of it is: -snip- Ah, thanks for the insight. If that's the case, I assume that those that overhead charge can't be charged overnight for a combined longer range than just garage charging alone? Seems like better solution (albeit more expensive upfront), but I see can see why it would be unattractive, especially for an initial fleet for an already high upfront investment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallspy Posted May 16, 2019 Report Share Posted May 16, 2019 10 hours ago, meltingtomato said: Ah, thanks for the insight. If that's the case, I assume that those that overhead charge can't be charged overnight for a combined longer range than just garage charging alone? That's correct. They only have enough batteries to last for a considerably shorter range - 20 to 30 miles or so, and in some cases even less. The converse, of course, is that they also have fewer batteries, meaning that the vehicles weigh less. Quote Seems like better solution (albeit more expensive upfront), but I see can see why it would be unattractive, especially for an initial fleet for an already high upfront investment. They both have their advantages and disadvantages, and to be honest, those will even vary from property-to-property. In a place like Toronto, which has many well-established routes, the installation of the infrastructure at the ends of the line isn't actually that big a problem, save for cost and siting concerns. That said, there are other places - and even locations in Toronto - where the ridership patterns may be more transient and less established, and where the installation of infrastructure at every loop may be a far bigger issue and thus the overnight-charging bus may make more sense there. Dan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leylandvictory2 Posted May 16, 2019 Report Share Posted May 16, 2019 On 5/15/2019 at 12:57 AM, Xtrazsteve said: If you thought about it, it's impossible to drive them in from Minnesota. Where would they be about to charge the bus and who's going to pay for the hotel while the driver waits for the damn thing to charge for 4-6+ hours? I don't see that a problem. Drivers need to "recharge" too after driving 12 to 13 hours not to mention there is a regulation as how many hours a commercial driver can drive in a day, a week and 2 week period. When BYD bus demoed a bus in Buffalo, they have a truck carrying a portable charger with the bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bus_Medic Posted May 16, 2019 Report Share Posted May 16, 2019 1 hour ago, leylandvictory2 said: I don't see that a problem. Drivers need to "recharge" too after driving 12 to 13 hours not to mention there is a regulation as how many hours a commercial driver can drive in a day, a week and 2 week period. When BYD bus demoed a bus in Buffalo, they have a truck carrying a portable charger with the bus. In theory during delivery, the 200-250 mile range will be used up in about four hours of continuous interstate driving at 65 miles per hour, and that’s not even counting the diminishing efficiency of maintaining a speed greater than 55 mph. (Since you cited the US, I’m keeping the units imperial) What do you suggest they do for the other 8 hours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtrazsteve Posted May 17, 2019 Report Share Posted May 17, 2019 4 hours ago, leylandvictory2 said: I don't see that a problem. Drivers need to "recharge" too after driving 12 to 13 hours not to mention there is a regulation as how many hours a commercial driver can drive in a day, a week and 2 week period. When BYD bus demoed a bus in Buffalo, they have a truck carrying a portable charger with the bus. Then there are unforeseeable situations such as traffic jams, road closures or anything would add time or distance to the trip. There isn't much flexibility in the routing or timing with electric vehicles. Plus they would have to handle the logistics of where, how and paying for the electricity to charge the bus. With two drivers, the truck can keep going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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