translink fan Posted September 29, 2018 Report Share Posted September 29, 2018 5 hours ago, roeco said: I know how PTB works in BC!!! Ive been following it for 15 yrs. And according to BC PTB website ebus was published first...If they didn't apply first not sure why it would be published first. And if they can make a case for their application which shouldn't be a problem since everyone seems to have the same one Greyhound is abandoning their corridors and Vancouver to Kamloops and Kelowna, plus they also want to operate Kelowna to Kamloops which would provide connectivity and are pretty well used corridors especially Van to Kelowna. And I think PTB will look at that all around connectivity as a plus. Also Pacific Western Group is much bigger than Greyhound and I believe they have larger plans going forward than just 3 corridors. I don't think the PTB just picks the first applicant no..? Here it doesn't mention that they approve the first applicant right away. But it does break down the process for the license approval which you already know: PTB Licensing The PTB considering all applications first before making a decision makes sense. Why go with the first application before giving everyone else a chance to apply for it? Got to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RZ350 Posted September 29, 2018 Report Share Posted September 29, 2018 11 hours ago, roeco said: I know how PTB works in BC!!! Ive been following it for 15 yrs. And according to BC PTB website ebus was published first...If they didn't apply first not sure why it would be published first. And if they can make a case for their application which shouldn't be a problem since everyone seems to have the same one Greyhound is abandoning their corridors and Vancouver to Kamloops and Kelowna, plus they also want to operate Kelowna to Kamloops which would provide connectivity and are pretty well used corridors especially Van to Kelowna. And I think PTB will look at that all around connectivity as a plus. Also Pacific Western Group is much bigger than Greyhound and I believe they have larger plans going forward than just 3 corridors. You may have followed them, but I have had the misfortune of dealing with them. However, there has been an announcement made that PT is supposed to be "Fast Tracking" Greyhound replacement applications. in this province that doesn't mean much, but they do have to make it look like they are trying to come up with something. As for why it would be published first? it's the first one PT took seriously. I happen to know the person who applied first, and they were summarily rejected. A court case is possibly looming on that one. stay tuned....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roeco Posted September 29, 2018 Report Share Posted September 29, 2018 8 hours ago, RZ350 said: You may have followed them, but I have had the misfortune of dealing with them. However, there has been an announcement made that PT is supposed to be "Fast Tracking" Greyhound replacement applications. in this province that doesn't mean much, but they do have to make it look like they are trying to come up with something. As for why it would be published first? it's the first one PT took seriously. I happen to know the person who applied first, and they were summarily rejected. A court case is possibly looming on that one. stay tuned....... I wasn't aware you could get rejected by applying ...unless of course documents are not filled out properly. And really Im not sure why everyone is applying for the same routes. I know theirs def at least 2 other routes that Greyhound currently operates in BC that could be quite viable. Vancouver-Kamloops-Prince George is def a very viable run and currently no applicants.Also Vancouver to Kelowna via Hwy 3 and Penticton. A good way to apply for something no one else has and still run to Kamloops and Kelowna lol. I think now days being creative is the Key!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RZ350 Posted September 29, 2018 Report Share Posted September 29, 2018 5 hours ago, roeco said: I wasn't aware you could get rejected by applying ...unless of course documents are not filled out properly. And really Im not sure why everyone is applying for the same routes. I know theirs def at least 2 other routes that Greyhound currently operates in BC that could be quite viable. Vancouver-Kamloops-Prince George is def a very viable run and currently no applicants.Also Vancouver to Kelowna via Hwy 3 and Penticton. A good way to apply for something no one else has and still run to Kamloops and Kelowna lol. I think now days being creative is the Key!! Personally, I was looking at possibly attempting to run a bus across Highway three, and then up to Calgary, but the numbers don't look very promising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roeco Posted September 30, 2018 Report Share Posted September 30, 2018 15 hours ago, RZ350 said: Personally, I was looking at possibly attempting to run a bus across Highway three, and then up to Calgary, but the numbers don't look very promising. It looks like Rider Express of Regina got their approval to operate Vancouver-Calgary-Winnipeg service starting in mid Oct. As well as they will be starting a Edmonton to Saskatoon service in late Oct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9924 Posted October 2, 2018 Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 On 9/29/2018 at 7:30 AM, roeco said: I wasn't aware you could get rejected by applying ...unless of course documents are not filled out properly. And really Im not sure why everyone is applying for the same routes. I know theirs def at least 2 other routes that Greyhound currently operates in BC that could be quite viable. Vancouver-Kamloops-Prince George is def a very viable run and currently no applicants.Also Vancouver to Kelowna via Hwy 3 and Penticton. A good way to apply for something no one else has and still run to Kamloops and Kelowna lol. I think now days being creative is the Key!! If your runs were viable, applicants would be filing an application for them as well - assuming they have the equipment/manpower required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 I'm wondering how Greyhound is going to keep operating even in Ontario when a lot of their buses have Alberta plates? Will they need to re-register them with Ontario plates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRT_BMT_IND Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 IRP/IFTA means it doesn't matter where the bus is registered. Parts of the old Cha-Co, PMCL, and Voyageur subfleets used to have Ontario plates but everything is Alberta now AFAIK. In Ontario they even run Texas plated US buses on domestic schedules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roeco Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 7 minutes ago, IRT_BMT_IND said: IRP/IFTA means it doesn't matter where the bus is registered. Parts of the old Cha-Co, PMCL, and Voyageur subfleets used to have Ontario plates but everything is Alberta now AFAIK. In Ontario they even run Texas plated US buses on domestic schedules. Im pretty sure they will have to be re registered as you have to have a valid address of your companies office in the jurisdiction you have your vehicles registered!! And Since Greyhound will have NO registered office in the west...Im thinkin that they will be re registered to Ontario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ns8401 Posted October 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 1 hour ago, roeco said: Im pretty sure they will have to be re registered as you have to have a valid address of your companies office in the jurisdiction you have your vehicles registered!! And Since Greyhound will have NO registered office in the west...Im thinkin that they will be re registered to Ontario. Keep leasing the space and employ a couple people to do accounting 3 times a month... why bother redoing everything when you can leave your “office” right where it is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck600 Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 On 9/30/2018 at 5:23 AM, roeco said: It looks like Rider Express of Regina got their approval to operate Vancouver-Calgary-Winnipeg service starting in mid Oct. As well as they will be starting a Edmonton to Saskatoon service in late Oct. I've haven't seen any approval granted in BC. Do you have a link to the BC PTB approval? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vortoozo Posted October 10, 2018 Report Share Posted October 10, 2018 2 hours ago, canuck600 said: I've haven't seen any approval granted in BC. Do you have a link to the BC PTB approval? No, they do not have approval. Not sure this is the best way to go about it, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck600 Posted October 10, 2018 Report Share Posted October 10, 2018 Definitely not the way to go about it. Hopefully the PWT group get authority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roeco Posted October 10, 2018 Report Share Posted October 10, 2018 3 hours ago, canuck600 said: oops sorry was supposed to say they r looking to get approval..not sure why I wrote that 24 minutes ago, canuck600 said: Definitely not the way to go about it. Hopefully the PWT group get authority. 1 hour ago, vortoozo said: No, they do not have approval. Not sure this is the best way to go about it, either. No not at all....says decision pending. so who knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ns8401 Posted October 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2018 2 hours ago, canuck600 said: Definitely not the way to go about it. Hopefully the PWT group get authority. Sounds like they are trying to give B.C. a swift kick in the rear to decide one way or the other... but then again if you piss them off they may just say no... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vortoozo Posted October 10, 2018 Report Share Posted October 10, 2018 44 minutes ago, ns8401 said: Sounds like they are trying to give B.C. a swift kick in the rear to decide one way or the other... but then again if you piss them off they may just say no... They seem to be quite disorganized. I mean - they are expecting to start the route in 10 days, but haven't posted a schedule, stop locations, never mind begun taking reservations, etc. They should take the time to do it right instead of half-ass it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9924 Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 On 10/9/2018 at 5:31 PM, vortoozo said: No, they do not have approval. Not sure this is the best way to go about it, either. I disagree. A lot of people are frustrated at the loss of Greyhound and are complaining that other companies aren't picking up the slack but in reality, they (the public) don't understand how public transportation in BC works. This helps bring it out into the open and maybe the public will start holding the Government more open in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roeco Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 16 hours ago, 9924 said: I disagree. A lot of people are frustrated at the loss of Greyhound and are complaining that other companies aren't picking up the slack but in reality, they (the public) don't understand how public transportation in BC works. This helps bring it out into the open and maybe the public will start holding the Government more open in the future. Well if you look at the Fast track process in BC now and with the pending schedule cancellations Greyhound has announced it should be pretty easy to step in,once approved . I do agree that Rider Express should have had all their stops and schedule figured out weeks ahead approved or not!! Its very important for that to be done. ebus on the other hand im sure they have their ducks lined up for their service...I would think it would be a no brainer to use Pacific Central in Vancouver for any service no matter what!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northwesterner Posted October 12, 2018 Report Share Posted October 12, 2018 On 9/29/2018 at 7:30 AM, roeco said: I wasn't aware you could get rejected by applying ...unless of course documents are not filled out properly. And really Im not sure why everyone is applying for the same routes. I know theirs def at least 2 other routes that Greyhound currently operates in BC that could be quite viable. Vancouver-Kamloops-Prince George is def a very viable run and currently no applicants.Also Vancouver to Kelowna via Hwy 3 and Penticton. A good way to apply for something no one else has and still run to Kamloops and Kelowna lol. I think now days being creative is the Key!! You keep talking about what is and isn't viable. The folks who know what is and isn't viable are the ones putting together business plans and trying to figure out if there is an opportunity. If they haven't applied for those routes, they probably aren't actually viable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RZ350 Posted October 12, 2018 Report Share Posted October 12, 2018 6 hours ago, roeco said: Well if you look at the Fast track process in BC now and with the pending schedule cancellations Greyhound has announced it should be pretty easy to step in,once approved . I do agree that Rider Express should have had all their stops and schedule figured out weeks ahead approved or not!! Its very important for that to be done. ebus on the other hand im sure they have their ducks lined up for their service...I would think it would be a no brainer to use Pacific Central in Vancouver for any service no matter what!! you should look into what it costs to Operate out of Pacific Central. Hint, it's very expensive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ns8401 Posted October 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2018 11 hours ago, northwesterner said: You keep talking about what is and isn't viable. The folks who know what is and isn't viable are the ones putting together business plans and trying to figure out if there is an opportunity. If they haven't applied for those routes, they probably aren't actually viable. No different than the railroads cutting track miles as branch lines became unprofitable... subsidies are the only thing that saved several of them too... if you can’t make money and nobody cares then the route will be abandoned.. that doesn’t say permanently but you’re right... nobody wants to lose money, kinda defeats the purpose and all... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roeco Posted October 12, 2018 Report Share Posted October 12, 2018 16 hours ago, RZ350 said: . you should look into what it costs to Operate out of Pacific Central. Hint, it's very expensive. I'm sure it is...But its not like Pacific Central is a place where just anyone would want to be. Its specialized and works very well for its purpose. Whats gonna be left for intercity bus co. Wilsons and Tofino plus Via Rail, Amtrak, Oh yeah and Greyhound USA and Bolt !! With PCS loosing one its major tenants Im sure its gonna hurt PCS. Does anyone know is the GCX building on Thornton St is it leased by Greyhound and owned by whoever owns PCS? As well as the Hound garage?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShermanOaks Posted October 13, 2018 Report Share Posted October 13, 2018 The dust appears to be settling in Manitoba ... As noted in previous posts by others, Winnipeg-Thompson is hot commodity with three companies announcing plans to operate including Maple Bus Lines, Thompson Bus and Kasper Transportation. Maple Bus Lines will be operating two routes, one via the Interlake on Highway 6 and the other via PLAP-Dauphin-Swan River-The Pas-Snow Lake Jct-Thompson. They also have authority for Thomspon-Cross Lake. Coaches and depots are ready to go and website is up and running. Expect to see these folks ou and about very soon! Thompson Bus has been reported to be up and running between Thompson and Gillam, and is close to obtaining coaches and starting the Winnipeg journey at some point soon. Kelsey Bus Lines has also applied to operate The Pas-Winnipeg, but not much said or reported about this? Current operators that will be left after Greyhound closes up shop in the west are Dauphin-Brandon-Winnipeg Air Shuttle which operates multiple daily trips using 15-passenger vans, and Kasper Transportation operating Winnipeg-Selkirk and Winnipeg-Kenora-Sioux Lookout-Thunder Bay with 15-passenger vans. Rider Express has apparently been given authority for Winnipeg to the Saskatchewan border. Media reports have them operating Winnipeg-Regina-Calgary and possibly all the way to Vancouver using motor coaches based out of a Calgary base. This is interesting stuff. Staying tuned ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roeco Posted October 13, 2018 Report Share Posted October 13, 2018 3 hours ago, ShermanOaks said: The dust appears to be settling in Manitoba ... As noted in previous posts by others, Winnipeg-Thompson is hot commodity with three companies announcing plans to operate including Maple Bus Lines, Thompson Bus and Kasper Transportation. Maple Bus Lines will be operating two routes, one via the Interlake on Highway 6 and the other via PLAP-Dauphin-Swan River-The Pas-Snow Lake Jct-Thompson. They also have authority for Thomspon-Cross Lake. Coaches and depots are ready to go and website is up and running. Expect to see these folks ou and about very soon! Thompson Bus has been reported to be up and running between Thompson and Gillam, and is close to obtaining coaches and starting the Winnipeg journey at some point soon. Kelsey Bus Lines has also applied to operate The Pas-Winnipeg, but not much said or reported about this? Current operators that will be left after Greyhound closes up shop in the west are Dauphin-Brandon-Winnipeg Air Shuttle which operates multiple daily trips using 15-passenger vans, and Kasper Transportation operating Winnipeg-Selkirk and Winnipeg-Kenora-Sioux Lookout-Thunder Bay with 15-passenger vans. Rider Express has apparently been given authority for Winnipeg to the Saskatchewan border. Media reports have them operating Winnipeg-Regina-Calgary and possibly all the way to Vancouver using motor coaches based out of a Calgary base. This is interesting stuff. Staying tuned ... RIDER EXPRESS was approved in BC...And whats interesting is they will be copying Greyhound's exact departure times from Vancouver-Kamloops-Calgary. 7:30 am and 6:pm. Calgary to Winnipeg 11:30pm On return. Winnipeg to Calgary at 11:30pm, Calgary to Kamloops- Vancouver at 7:30am and 7:30 pm. Service is expected to start Oct.22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck600 Posted October 13, 2018 Report Share Posted October 13, 2018 You keep saying Rider Express is approved in BC but I've yet to see proof. Do the words Rider Express appear anywhere in the latest PTB bulletin? http://www.ptboard.bc.ca/Bulletins/2018/20181010_Bulletin.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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