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TTC Nova Bus Fleet Rebuilds & Retirements Tracking


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43 minutes ago, Shemar said:

8552 8597 8603 8605 8608 8613 8615 remain. Although I wonder what happened to 8552 as it hasn't seen service for more than a year.

Ah thanks, so its just a handful left. yeah who knows what happened to 8552, 15+ months according to transsee.

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7 hours ago, PrimeTio said:


the 86xx are 6 year old, how come they get built this early? I’m not that good with TTC but I’m curious on why they don’t just rebuild them after 7-8 years.

When TTC started the mid-life rebuild program, buses we’re getting refurbished at roughly 6 years old. Different fleets in the past received their midlife rebuild later than recent fleets

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You have to keep the manpower in Hillcrest working steadily.

If you furlough or lay off your tradespeople, most are going to obtain employment elsewhere, and won’t be coming back.

Anyone in Human Resources will tell you that filling any skilled trades job is difficult to begin with.

Compound that with the Commission’s rigid structure (imagine telling a bodyman who’s used to a 9-5 Monday to Friday dealership job that due to the seniority based union environment, they’ll never see a day shift or weekends off for the next decade) and retention becomes a serious problem. So they do their best to maximize their workforce’s value by keeping the work flowing.

If that means overhaul a year early, so be it. 

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2017 and 2018 were two extremely large bus purchase years, and what makes it more difficult is that they were back-to-back. So the TTC has to go from rebuilding ~100 buses per year to having 727 buses needing to go through refurbishment over two years. It's not possible to scale up that quickly, from the perspectives of manpower, equipment, and facilities, only to need to drop it all back down 2 years later. So you need to spread the work over a longer period, and if that means starting a year earlier (and likely ending a year later) in order to meet your existing capacity, so be it.

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3 hours ago, MK78 said:

Are they gonna repaint the 8620+ series at all? They were in the newer livery already, though not quite matching the older Nova rebuilds.

You don't even know if there is any cracks or dents or whatever is under the hood. A paint job is nothing compared to the amount of other work that goes into the rebuild. Plus the factory delivered livery ain't paint, just decals. So they'll all have red backs when they're done just like the 8400s.

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On the topic of spreading out work, the TTC recently did a procurement process to get bids from outside contractors for mid life refurbishment on Nova LFSs. Procurement documents specified 102 buses from 8620-8694 series (2023), 102 buses from 3100-3369 series (2024) and 102 buses from 3400-3654 series (2025). Given the discussion above, is TTC looking to outsource some of the bus mid life work only due to the large volume of buses needing mid life work in a short timeframe as well as the long standing issues retaining skilled tradespeople, and not necessarily a desire to eventually outsource more and more of this work in the future?

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Here are a list of 2017 L9s that are at Hillcrest for rebuild:

8620, 8621, 8622, 8623, 8624, 8625, 8626, 8627, 8628, 8629, 8630, 8631, 8632, 8633, 8636, 8638, 8639, 8641, 8642, 8643, 8644, 8645, 8646, 8648, 8649, 8660, 8662

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10 hours ago, Shemar said:

Here are a list of 2017 L9s that are at Hillcrest for rebuild:

8620, 8621, 8622, 8623, 8624, 8625, 8626, 8627, 8628, 8629, 8630, 8631, 8632, 8633, 8636, 8638, 8639, 8641, 8642, 8643, 8644, 8645, 8646, 8648, 8649, 8660, 8662

Holy crap that's a lot at once!

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