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Saw a similar topic created for Toronto's remaining 1980's CLRV/ALRV streetcars, so I decided to create this page for the Edmonton area's last remaining 90's buses. ETS #4046-4174 and StAT #853-857 are some of the last 1990's New Flyers left in service in Canada (definitely the last ones left in the Edmonton area), and StAT #855 is the last transit vehicle in the Edmonton area with rollsigns instead of digital signage. All these buses are due to be replaced in the near-future. So, in a manner similar to the Toronto streetcar page, I will keep a running track on this comment of which of our late-90's buses remain in service, and which ones have been retired. At the time of this comment, the only bus from this category to be retired so far is ETS #4086, which was axed in 2014 due to an engine fire. Would greatly appreciate input from you guys, to help us keep track of active and retired 90's New Flyers. 
Notes: bus - denotes a retired bus; bus* - denotes a rollsign-carrying bus. Bus - denotes 1999 New Flyer; bus - denotes 1998 New Flyer.

StAT:
853 854 855* 856 857

ETS:
4046 4047 4048 4049 4050 4051 4052 4053 4054 4055 4056 4057 4058 4059 4060 4061 4062 4063 4064 4065 4066 4067 4068 4069 4070 4071 4072 4073 4074 4075 4076 4077 4078 4079 4080 4081 4082 4083 4084 4085 4086 4087 4088 4089 4090 4091 4092 4093 4094 4095 4096 4097 4098 4099 4100 4101 4102 4103 4104 4105 4106 4107 4108 4109 4110 4111 4112 4113 4114 4115 4116 4117 4118 4119 4120 4121 4122 4123 4124 4125 4126 4127 4128 4129 4130 4131 4132 4133 4134 4135 4136 4137 4138 4139 4140 4141 4142 4143 4144 4145 4146 4147 4148 4149 4150 4151 4152 4153 4154 4155 4156 4157 4158 4159 4160 4161 4162 4163 4164 4165 4166 4167 4168 4169 4170 4171 4172 4173 4174

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On 1/30/2018 at 8:30 AM, awstott said:

Here is an easy way for the ETS fleet. https://transit55.ca/edmonton/model?id=1998_New_Flyer_D40LF and https://transit55.ca/edmonton/model?id=1999_New_Flyer_D40LF.  Thanks to @1604 for making such an awesome tool.

Is that who made Transit55? I'm going to have to message him when Victoria transit gets Smart Bus, see if Victoria can get added to that site. 

As for the 1998 D40LFs, they all seem to be active in Edmonton... I'm sure they'll retire by the end of this year, beginning of next year. Most systems dont' retire buses until they're just too worn out, whether it be before 20 years or after 20 years. 

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On 2018-02-04 at 7:30 AM, Matt Dunlop said:

Is that who made Transit55? I'm going to have to message him when Victoria transit gets Smart Bus, see if Victoria can get added to that site. 

I'm sure everyone can appreciate how amazing and helpful transit 55 is to fan/operators and just transit users in general. That being said it also take a great deal of time and effort to make it happen! This is also considering that there in no monetary compensation for these efforts.  

 

So in regards to just adding Victoria, mabes as fans and users we should consider raising some sort of compensation for these efforts.... 

 

just a thought, it may be offside but a wise man once said there's no such thing as a free lunch

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On 2/5/2018 at 12:35 PM, vicinity said:

I'm sure everyone can appreciate how amazing and helpful transit 55 is to fan/operators and just transit users in general. That being said it also take a great deal of time and effort to make it happen! This is also considering that there in no monetary compensation for these efforts.  

 

So in regards to just adding Victoria, mabes as fans and users we should consider raising some sort of compensation for these efforts.... 

 

just a thought, it may be offside but a wise man once said there's no such thing as a free lunch

I'll message that user when Victoria's Smart bus system is in effect. I was told it was going to be a very cheap and basic. Basically just tied with an app (likely Transit app) and shows the time the bus will show up via GPS. It won't show the index or paddle that the bus is running on like Edmonton and Calgary does. 

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4090 is likely the first to bite the dust with the arrival of the 7000's.

It's sitting with 4047, 4087, 4117, and 4184 in the Paterson Compound. 4090 was noticeably missing parts, but I don't think we noticed anything missing on the other buses.

4047 in particular hasn't been seen since January 31.

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I have returned. 😏

Overall, a decent list, but I will throw some edits on there.

4105 is outside Centennial currently, but, on my mini-tour of Centennial earlier this month, the garage official confirmed that it is not retired. She will likely return to service when the school specials hit the roads again in September. 

4161 and 4171 are currently active as we speak. 

4167 did see service for a brief period at the beginning of June, and has been MIA for as long as 4105. If 4105 is being stored, then I wouldn't write 4167 off yet, either.

With MIA's, we'll get a better idea of what is retired and what isn't once September arrives. It is doubtful, barring any critical failures, that any of the remaining 90's units will be retired until the new electric buses arrive.

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UPDATES:

4105 returned to service last week. Two all-day runs, with an AM peak run sandwiched in-between. It, and 4113, are the only two pre-millennium buses to be running out of Centennial currently.

4108 now MIA. Yet to run in September, as per T55.

4167 is sitting in the Paterson compound, retired.

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On 7/29/2019 at 10:12 AM, ETS's 4083 said:

4161 and 4171 are currently active as we speak.

NOW it is likely safe to declare 4161 retired. Sitting in a deadbeat area at Westwood, chilling with 4191 and 4192 from the 2000 Series.

4108 is still frustrating. One appearance here, one appearance there, a run of consecutive appearances in relief of fellow Westwood `98 LF 4117, and now sitting with some inactive LFR's at Westwood. Tough to gauge it, honestly.

4113 yet to run in December. It was seeing heavy use on the 23 in the days leading up to its most recent run, so I'm not sure if those runs killed it, or if it just needs additional maintenance.

4105, 4115, 4117, and 4120 are the four 1998's remaining in service, otherwise. Active 1999's are 4128, 4129, 4132, 4143, 4144, 4145, 4150, 4151, 4155, 4156, 4158, 4159, 4162, 4165, 4166, 4168, 4169, 4170, 4171, 4172, and 4174.

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On 12/19/2019 at 6:23 AM, ETS's 4083 said:

4108 is still frustrating. One appearance here, one appearance there, a run of consecutive appearances in relief of fellow Westwood `98 LF 4117, and now sitting with some inactive LFR's at Westwood. Tough to gauge it, honestly.

Thanks to Andrew Stott for the heads-up this morning... 4108's in the Paterson morgue. She gone. Pour one out for 4108. *Taps*

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I rode 4115 on what ended up being its second-last day in service. Rode it on the 15- NAIT at the end of its January 29 AM peak run. It ran in the PM peak that afternoon, and had one last run the next day. @awstott has reported it as currently sitting in Paterson Compound with no engine.

Interior photo from after everyone but me got off at the second-last stop on the run. I got off at the NAIT Loop, after which 4115 entered Westwood.

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10 minutes ago, HannibalXoner said:

Went back to Paterson today, here’s a list of the 99 buses I saw there were only 1999 buses there

Cool. Coincidentally I updated the wiki last night... scroll down for a list of active units.

https://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php/Edmonton_Transit_Service

Based on what is tracking vs. what we have seen parked, we are most likely down to 12 units total for the 1998's & 1999's. Keep in mind, however, that none will be dispatched for the foreseeable future due to their lack of driver shields.

 

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