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I can understand the desire for battery buses in cities where no trolley infrastructure exists. But Vancouver already has a lot of wires, why not make use of them? The charger installed at Marpole loop wouldn't be needed if the trial buses could hook up to the trolley wires already in the area.

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12 hours ago, 9924 said:

Would you drive your car with only 20kms of range?

That is not the all-day range; it is the range between each recharging session.

Let me explain this in a practical example in the hope that you will understand.

Imagine a trolleybus with IMC on the new R4 runs under the wires from Joyce Stn. to Crown and in the process recharges its batteries to a full 20km range. It then runs on batteries to UBC and return using, say, 12km of range leaving 8km range.

It then runs under the wires from Crown to Joyce Stn. and return. During that time, the In Motion Charging is operating, so that by the time the bus is back at Crown, it again has 20km range for the 12 km round trip to UBC and back.  In addition the R4 would probably get a recharge at UBC during its turnaround time.

So the 20km range is not for the whole day, but for any one "excursion" away from the wires. Over the service day, the IMC trolleybus on the R4 would do many trips on battery.

Of course the same principle applies to the battery buses. Translink is testing rapid charge buses may have a range of only 75km. But that doesn't mean they only travel 75km per shift. They recharge at the charging stations at the end of the line.  

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On 8/3/2019 at 11:38 PM, Firebrand said:

Zurich and Prague (the latter of which is even reviving its old trolleybus network) will have to disagree with you on that part, which seem to be working fine with their trolleys with IMC. This is just pandering for battery buses at this point.

There will always be examples going against the trend.

On 8/3/2019 at 11:52 PM, ThatBusGuy said:

I can understand the desire for battery buses in cities where no trolley infrastructure exists. But Vancouver already has a lot of wires, why not make use of them? The charger installed at Marpole loop wouldn't be needed if the trial buses could hook up to the trolley wires already in the area.

Because the trolley infrastructure will cost more money to maintain in the long run.  The trolley infrastructure is prone to various forms of damage.  Trolleys block traffic every time they de-wire, sometimes for longer periods of times if they get all tangled.

On 8/4/2019 at 6:14 AM, martin607 said:

That is not the all-day range; it is the range between each recharging session.

Let me explain this in a practical example in the hope that you will understand.

Imagine a trolleybus with IMC on the new R4 runs under the wires from Joyce Stn. to Crown and in the process recharges its batteries to a full 20km range. It then runs on batteries to UBC and return using, say, 12km of range leaving 8km range.

It then runs under the wires from Crown to Joyce Stn. and return. During that time, the In Motion Charging is operating, so that by the time the bus is back at Crown, it again has 20km range for the 12 km round trip to UBC and back.  In addition the R4 would probably get a recharge at UBC during its turnaround time.

So the 20km range is not for the whole day, but for any one "excursion" away from the wires. Over the service day, the IMC trolleybus on the R4 would do many trips on battery.

Of course the same principle applies to the battery buses. Translink is testing rapid charge buses may have a range of only 75km. But that doesn't mean they only travel 75km per shift. They recharge at the charging stations at the end of the line.  

Is this a joke?  Do you honestly believe that I don't know this?

I'll explain this a little more simplified.  You don't pull your car into a gas station, just fill up half a litre just so you can make it 20kms until you get back to the gas station.

Give it another 15-20 years, probably even less and EV buses will only need to be charged twice or maybe even just once a day.

Half a century ago it was "Rail to Rubber". Today, its "Wire to Battery".

This will be my last post on the topic, enjoy your trolleys while you can, they'll be gone sooner than you think.

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2 hours ago, 99.bline said:

Thank God

Awwww, muffin 😭

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37 minutes ago, Matt Dunlop said:

With BC Transit having plans of a fully-electric fleet in 20 years, will TransLink do the same? 

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My guess is we'll find out in 2022 when the trial is done.

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19 hours ago, Matt Dunlop said:

With BC Transit having plans of a fully-electric fleet in 20 years, will TransLink do the same? 

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This announcement was kinda cool... But, this change is actually legislated, so it was sort of akin to BC Transit making an announcement that they'll have buses in the future. 

 

There is, certainly, some room for what specific technology will be used. But alas, TransLink will need to follow in pretty close lockstep. 

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Isnt TL's long term plan to be 80% electric, 20% diesel? in which only Shuttles & Suburbans are Diesel?

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1 hour ago, cleowin said:

Isnt TL's long term plan to be 80% electric, 20% diesel? in which only Shuttles & Suburbans are Diesel?

In time, everything can be electric... seeing as BC Transit wants everything electric by 2040, Alexander Dennis and Grande West may try adding an electric powerplant to their fleet to keep business with BC Transit. There's already an electric shuttle bus on the market. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_electric_bus_makers_and_models

http://www.motivps.com/motivps/portfolio-items/shuttle-bus/

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21 hours ago, Dane said:

This announcement was kinda cool... But, this change is actually legislated, so it was sort of akin to BC Transit making an announcement that they'll have buses in the future. 

 

There is, certainly, some room for what specific technology will be used. But alas, TransLink will need to follow in pretty close lockstep. 

It's interesting that BC Transit is scheduling "heavy duty" operations first. Many other places tend to use their first battery buses on the lighter and medium routes first. This is because of range and maximum passenger load issues.  

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1 hour ago, neopasturquoise said:

Final look of the fast-charge station at Marpole Loop

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I wonder if that's what they were working on at 22nd Street Station today...

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1 hour ago, 8010 said:

Driver on the 100 announced that the electric buses are launching at 3:00p today.

Today is the launch, the buses enter service tomorrow. Looks like the XE40 will be in service tomorrow, they're wrapped up.  They said two more will enter service by October 1, probably the Novas....

 

6 additional battery buses are confirmed for 2020/2021.

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55 minutes ago, GORDOOM said:

People announcing the imminent death of the trolleybus network in 3... 2... 1...

Nah, you guys get triggered way too easy 🤣

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2 hours ago, GORDOOM said:

People announcing the imminent death of the trolleybus network in 3... 2... 1...

I should add that current thinking at translink is it would be best to operate trolleys alongside battery technology for the foreseeable future. They aren't planning any trolley expansion, but they won't be going anywhere especially downtown. (Their presentation noted charging stations downtown are infeasable and overnight charging doesn't allow enough distance for many routes)

Subject to change though, as always!

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UBC might be able to pull off charging stations for the 25 and the 33. Might as well start looking at XE60's so that both the 25 and the 49 can use them. Or for the sake of humanity, why not on the 100?

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4 hours ago, Community Shuttle said:

Nova published photos of 19301-19302 wrapped up on Facebook. I guess that's why they were delivered without liveries.

It was just 19302, but I assume that 19301 will be wrapped the same.

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8 hours ago, jmward said:

I should add that current thinking at translink is it would be best to operate trolleys alongside battery technology for the foreseeable future. They aren't planning any trolley expansion, but they won't be going anywhere especially downtown. (Their presentation noted charging stations downtown are infeasable and overnight charging doesn't allow enough distance for many routes)

Subject to change though, as always!

Thanks. Do you have access to the presentation that could be shared?

What you say fits in with the informal indications that I am picking up from various sources in Translink: The battery buses will be a replacement for the diesel buses and the virtues of trolleybuses on the heaviest duty routes are recognised.

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