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52 minutes ago, downbeat said:

This happened too quickly to grab a photo … but I saw 7644 running on MAX Purple this afternoon displaying its route number. I’m guessing its older-style flip-dot electronic roll sign demands it?

Every time i've seen the Max Purple serviced by one of those older buses, they've always displayed 307. Possibly a limitation of those older signs?

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6 hours ago, Transit Fan said:

Every time i've seen the Max Purple serviced by one of those older buses, they've always displayed 307. Possibly a limitation of those older signs?

They haven't been programmed in a while, so they just display X Route X instead (for the most part). Besides, I wouldn't see a good reason for CT to reprogram them because most of the 7600s wont be around in the next 5 or 6 years.

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2 hours ago, R. Meu said:

They haven't been programmed in a while, so they just display X Route X instead (for the most part). Besides, I wouldn't see a good reason for CT to reprogram them because most of the 7600s wont be around in the next 5 or 6 years.

Ah, that explains it. :) 

The bus I saw had 307 MAX PURPLE on the front and the side, and just 307 on the back.

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Took a few rides on the 17 Ave transitway for the first time this afternoon. My first impressions weren’t too bad. 9th Avenue to 44th Street station took me 13 minutes. Signalling is clearly an ongoing issue, particularly the ones near the 9th Avenue station and the 26th Street station. Waited an easy 2-3 minutes at those each time which made the bus considerably late. The rest of the transitway seems to function well. Station areas are well designed and I had no confusion or difficulty using the infrastructure. Bus time displays at the stations were erroneous. A Route 1 pulled up as the display indicated 20 minutes until the next Route 1 and 18 minutes until the next MAX Purple.

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Might the bus have been a floater? I’ve come to understand such departures don’t show up on any schedules, anywhere. 

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1 minute ago, downbeat said:

Might the bus have been a floater? I’ve come to understand such departures don’t show up on any schedules, anywhere. 

The bus appeared on Transit55.

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29 minutes ago, Nick B said:

Took a few rides on the 17 Ave transitway for the first time this afternoon. My first impressions weren’t too bad. 9th Avenue to 44th Street station took me 13 minutes. Signalling is clearly an ongoing issue, particularly the ones near the 9th Avenue station and the 26th Street station. Waited an easy 2-3 minutes at those each time which made the bus considerably late. The rest of the transitway seems to function well. Station areas are well designed and I had no confusion or difficulty using the infrastructure. Bus time displays at the stations were erroneous. A Route 1 pulled up as the display indicated 20 minutes until the next Route 1 and 18 minutes until the next MAX Purple.

I've noticed the "real-time" displays are very hit or miss. I've been on plenty of non-floater Max Purple's that weren't super late but didn't display "Due" when the bus was at the station. Which is odd considering the real-time info in the app is relatively accurate. I would've thought the displays would be pulling info from the same source.

The signals are definitely an issue still and kind of spoil what is otherwise a really great project. The stations turned out really nice and the overall improvements to the avenue are a big plus for the area.

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10 hours ago, Blake M said:

On the topic of the Southwest BRT, does anyone know if there will be feeder route changes in the southwest? 

I thought that's what they were doing when they changed all of those routes (when they introduced MAX Orange, Purple, and Teal)

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4 hours ago, Jaymaud0804 said:

I thought that's what they were doing when they changed all of those routes (when they introduced MAX Orange, Purple, and Teal)

Still one more to come, and in my opinion, the routes west of MacLeod need a bit of an overhaul

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18 hours ago, Blake M said:

On the topic of the Southwest BRT, does anyone know if there will be feeder route changes in the southwest? 

Yes. Lots in the SW are still being optioned out. Stay tuned. It sounds public consultations are to begin in the Spring. They will be noticable.

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Makes sense for them to want to optimize the SW bus network as well to coincide with the new MAX route.

The recent changes didn't really affect much of the routes in the deep SW. Yes, there were changes to the 9 and 20 but that was more or less due to the Circle Route getting split into multiple parts. I'd expect to see a lot of changes in 2019 to the feeder routes and express buses in the area. For example, the 18 likely won't exist in its current form since it will duplicate half of the new MAX route.

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Looks like an extra bus will be added to MAX Purple effective January 28th on both weekdays and weekends.

  • Rush hour roundtrip increased from 72 to 84 minutes.
  • Weekday midday roundtrip increased from 66 to 80 minutes. Frequency bumped from 22 to 20 minutes.
  • Weekday evening roundtrip increased from 60 to 75 minutes. Frequency bumped from 30 to 25 minutes.
  • All day on weekends is same as weekday evenings.

https://transit55.ca/calgary/block_explorer?id=307&date=2019-01-28

https://transit55.ca/calgary/block_explorer?id=307&date=2019-02-02

Good to see an actual fix similar to what happened to the Route 1 last week (which seemed to have helped greatly). The extra time allows for some lengthier layovers at both ends at all times of day. The bump in frequency is another bonus.

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Are there buses with signs still not programmed correctly for the Max Teal? Saw a Max Teal 7800-series bus on 37th Street SW today displaying the old 306 BRT MRU Heritage. Took me by surprise for sure.

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2 hours ago, Vancouver said:

Are there buses with signs still not programmed correctly for the Max Teal? Saw a Max Teal 7800-series bus on 37th Street SW today displaying the old 306 BRT MRU Heritage. Took me by surprise for sure.

Nah the driver just punched in the destination code wrong

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On my Christmas visit to Calgary I rode Max Purple from downtown to 36 Street SE. My impression of the infrastructure is that it appears to be modeled on York Region's Viva rapidways, at least along 17 Avenue SE, rather than Ottawa. The Deerfoot overpass saved my bus a good 5 minutes. When I got off at 36 I just missed 2 buses going south into Dover, but a 135 came in about 5 minutes.

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On 1/14/2019 at 6:51 PM, Blake M said:

Nah the driver just punched in the destination code wrong

Or if the driver likes to tinker with the destination signs ;)

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2 hours ago, R. Meu said:

Or if the driver likes to tinker with the destination signs ;)

Saw it today too. "306 BRU Heritage" Lol

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Some random numbers have been added to the 17 Ave transitway, I assume they're mile markers from the start of the transitway. There's one on a traffic signal pole at 33 Street EB saying 2.7, 33 Street WB saying 2.6, and another i noticed at 52 Street WB saying 4.5

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3 hours ago, Blake M said:

Some random numbers have been added to the 17 Ave transitway, I assume they're mile markers from the start of the transitway. There's one on a traffic signal pole at 33 Street EB saying 2.7, 33 Street WB saying 2.6, and another i noticed at 52 Street WB saying 4.5

Probably is. According to Maps, those are the distance from 9th and Blackfoot.

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7 hours ago, Transit Fan said:

I've noticed these signs the last couple of days as well.

What would be the use of having these kind of distance markers along the route?

MAX Purple thinking it's a train?

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Assuming things run on time with the upcoming schedule adjustments for Routes 1 and MAX Purple, as listed below, the distribution of eastbound departures between Route 1 and MAX Purple will be far more even on weekday late-nights and weekend mornings.

Effective Jan. 28, 2019
Route 1 and MAX Purple consolidated departure board
Eastbound from stop 3392
SB 1st Street @ 7th Avenue S.W. (Brookfield Place)
(Compiled manually from schedules listed on Calgary Transit website. Please pardon any transcription errors.)

WEEKDAY AM PEAK

  1 0506
  1 0536
  1 0551
307 0552

307 0604
  1 0610
307 0616
  1 0619
307 0628
  1 0630
307 0640
  1 0647
307 0652
  1 0659
  
307 0704
  1 0711
307 0716
  1 0723
307 0728
  1 0735
307 0740
  1 0747
307 0752
  1 0759
  
307 0804
  1 0811
307 0816
  1 0823
307 0828
  1 0835
307 0840
  1 0847
307 0852
  1 0859
  
307 0908
  1 0911
  1 0922
307 0928
  1 0934
  1 0946
307 0948


WEEKDAY MIDDAY
(1000-1459, departure pattern repeats)

  1 xx01
307 xx08
  1 xx16
307 xx28
  1 xx31
  1 xx46
307 xx48


WEEKDAY PM PEAK

  1 1501
307 1505
307 1517
  1 1520
307 1529
  1 1536
307 1541
  1 1548
307 1553

  1 1600
307 1605
  1 1612
307 1617
  1 1624
307 1629
  1 1636
307 1641
  1 1648
307 1653

  1 1700
307 1705
  1 1712
307 1717
  1 1724
307 1729
  1 1736
307 1741
  1 1748
307 1753

  1 1800
307 1805
  1 1812
307 1817
  1 1824
307 1829
  1 1836
  1 1846
307 1854
  1 1857


WEEKDAY EVENING

  1 1907
  1 1917
307 1920
  1 1934
307 1943
  1 1953
  
307 2008
  1 2013
  1 2033
307 2033
  1 2053
307 2057

  1 2112
307 2122
  1 2132
307 2147
  1 2151
  
  1 2208
307 2212
  1 2227
307 2237
  1 2247
  
307 2302
  1 2317
307 2327
  1 2345
307 2345

307 0020
  1 0022

WEEKEND

  1 0600
307 0613
  1 0625
307 0638
  1 0650
  
307 0703
  1 0715
307 0728
  1 0740
307 0753

  1 0806
307 0818
  1 0835
307 0843
  1 0859
  
307 0908
  1 0918
307 0933
  1 0937
  1 0956
307 0958

  1 1015
307 1023
  1 1034
307 1048
  1 1053
  
  1 1112
307 1113
  1 1131
307 1138
  1 1150
  
307 1203
  1 1209
  1 1228
307 1228
  1 1247
307 1253

  1 1306
307 1318
  1 1325
307 1343
  1 1344
  
  1 1403
307 1408
  1 1422
307 1433
  1 1441
307 1458

  1 1500
  1 1519
307 1523
  1 1538
307 1548
  1 1557
  
307 1613
  1 1616
  1 1635
307 1638
  1 1654
  
307 1703
  1 1713
307 1728
  1 1732
  1 1751
307 1753

  1 1810
307 1818
  1 1829
307 1843
  1 1848
  
  1 1907
307 1908
  1 1926
307 1933
  1 1945
307 1958

  1 2004
  1 2021
307 2023
  1 2038
307 2048
  1 2057
  
307 2113
  1 2118
  1 2143
307 2143

  1 2208
  1 2232
  1 2257
  
  1 2322
  1 2345
  
  1 0020 (Sat only)

 

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Looking now at westbound service … notice how Route 1 and MAX Purple will be running back-to-back in the transitway on weekend mornings. I guess this is what allows the perfectly-spaced departures from city centre, as noted in my previous message.

Effective Jan. 28, 2019
Route 1 and MAX Purple consolidated departure board
Westbound from stop 9817
36th Street S.E. Station
(Compiled manually from schedules listed on Calgary Transit website. Please pardon any transcription errors.)

WEEKDAY AM PEAK

  1 0442

  1 0512
  1 0527
307 0534
  1 0542
307 0546
  1 0558
307 0558

307 0610
  1 0614
307 0622
  1 0629
307 0635
  1 0643
307 0648
  1 0655

307 0700
  1 0707
307 0712
  1 0719
307 0724
  1 0731
307 0736
  1 0743
307 0748
  1 0755

307 0800
  1 0807
307 0812
  1 0819
307 0824
  1 0831
307 0836
  1 0843
307 0848
  1 0855


WEEKDAY MIDDAY
(0900-1459, departure pattern repeats)

307 xx00
  1 xx09
307 xx20
  1 xx24
  1 xx39
307 xx40
  1 xx54


WEEKDAY PM PEAK

307 1502
  1 1507
  1 1519
307 1519
  1 1531
307 1536
  1 1543
307 1548
  1 1555

307 1600
  1 1607
307 1612
  1 1619
307 1624
  1 1631
307 1636
  1 1643
307 1648
  1 1655

307 1700
  1 1707
307 1712
  1 1719
307 1724
  1 1731
307 1736
  1 1743
307 1748
  1 1755


WEEKDAY EVENING

307 1800
  1 1807
307 1812
  1 1819
307 1824
  1 1831
307 1834
  1 1843
307 1845
  1 1857

307 1901
  1 1911
307 1918
  1 1931
307 1943
  1 1951

307 2008
  1 2011
  1 2031
307 2032
  1 2051
307 2057

  1 2111
307 2121
  1 2131
307 2146
  1 2151

  1 2211
307 2211
  1 2231
307 2236
  1 2251

307 2301
  1 2311
307 2324
  1 2331
307 2354

  1 0001
  1 0022 (terminates City Centre)


WEEKEND

  1 0548
307 0548

  1 0613
307 0613
  1 0638
307 0638

  1 0703
307 0703
  1 0728
307 0728
  1 0753
307 0753

  1 0813
307 0818
  1 0832
307 0843
  1 0851

307 0908
  1 0910
  1 0929
307 0933
  1 0948
307 0958

  1 1007
307 1023
  1 1026
  1 1045
307 1048

  1 1104
307 1113
  1 1123
307 1138
  1 1142

  1 1201
307 1203
  1 1220
307 1228
  1 1239
397 1253
  1 1258

  1 1317
307 1318
  1 1336
307 1343
  1 1355

307 1408
  1 1414
  1 1433
307 1433
  1 1452
307 1458

  1 1511
307 1523
  1 1530
307 1548
  1 1549

  1 1608
307 1613
  1 1627
307 1638
  1 1646

307 1703
  1 1705
  1 1724
307 1728
  1 1743
397 1753

  1 1802
307 1818
  1 1821
  1 1840
307 1843
  1 1859

307 1908
  1 1918
307 1933
  1 1937
  1 1955
307 1958

  1 2016
307 2023
  1 2041
307 2048

  1 2106
307 2113
  1 2131
307 2138
  1 2156

307 2203
  1 2221
307 2228
  1 2246

  1 2309
  1 2334
 
  1 0004 (terminates Bowness, Saturday)
         (terminates City Centre, Sunday)

 

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The two schedules may be synced slightly better but I feel that the off peak service is kind of overkill. When a Max Purple departs and a #1 is scheduled within minutes after it (or vice versa), chances are that the trailing bus is going to be relatively empty. Since the changes were first proposed last spring, i've been opposed to the idea of having both the 1 and MAX operate in parallel in its current form. Why? Because we've seen this exact scenario years ago when the 305 used to have all day service. The 305 was ultimately cut to only peak hours due to low ridership.

The problem is you can't cut frequency on the #1 too much because then the west leg will have a significant drop in service. But currently, ensuring that the #1 has adequate frequency on the west leg means that the east leg overlaps too much with the Max Purple. The other issue is that if they don't run at identical frequencies, there is always going to be overlaps at various points throughout the day.

I would not be surprised if they chop the #1 in half sooner or later to allow them to properly have a trunk and branch system. The travel time from 1 St SW to Penbrooke and East Hills are pretty similar such that they could run at identical round-trip times and frequencies. For example, midday, if both routes ran at 20 minute frequencies, they could be spaced out such that it's a consistent 10 minute service along the trunk portion. Then during off-peak, 25 minutes for each route allows for 12-13 minute service along the trunk. Of course, the tradeoff is that local service along 9th Ave and in Penbrooke will be slightly worse. Route #411 could be bumped up in frequency to compensate along 9th Ave if needed. Alternatively, you could just add an extra MAX stop between 12 St and 9 Ave Station to cover that gap.

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