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VERY credible sources out of HTC and VTC have spotted a BYD E-Bus parked at VTC last night. Upon further research, this is the same bus that was here doing demonstrations at Trans-Expo back in 2016. It is painted in the sweep-R livery.

We're told it'll be running trials on the 33 once it is ready.

This thread is for discussion of this demo, as well as any sightings of it. Just do NOT whatsoever take any of those images and post them here without consent. 

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Sounds like I'll definitely have to track this bus down at some point, an electric battery bus sounds super interesting and futuristic.

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I heard that it will be running on the 33. Tomorrow I'm getting my car serviced and actually need to ride the 33 to get to a certain destination, so I'm hoping to catch it. I've never been on a Chinese bus unless a Chinese-built Flxible Metro counts.

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Darn. Just after my U-Pass expired. lol.

A more serious question: Have chargers been set up on both ends of the route? Or will this be a tripper run to and from the garage?

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46 minutes ago, Millennium2002 said:

Darn. Just after my U-Pass expired. lol.

A more serious question: Have chargers been set up on both ends of the route? Or will this be a tripper run to and from the garage?

From what they were saying at the yard demo, and from the article cited, it seems like this bus is intended to run for a portion of a day on a single charge at the yard. Calculating:

255km (length of a single charge)

-25km (10% buffer for safety) = 230km

-23km (NIS distance between VTC and UBC loop, plus between 29th Stn and VTC) = 207km

204km ÷ 18km (approximate distance b/w UBC Loop and 29th Ave Stn) = 11.5

In other words, 5 and a half round trips (plus a little). This equals about 8 hrs, 15 minutes on the 33, plus recovery time.

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2 hours ago, Large Cat said:

255km (length of a single charge)

Assuming it's the BYD K9, their own website states 161 miles (~259 km). Also interesting is their top speed is 100 kph, meaning they would be suitable for routes that travel on highways (Second Narrows, 601/2/3/4, 620, 555, to name a few). If TransLink goes forward with an order of these buses, I could definitely see these buses being used as trippers on all routes, as they'd be perfect for it. Why send out a diesel for a tripper if you can send out a bus that uses electricity for a 4 hour depot to depot tripper? Don't need to spend money on diesel fuel, and I imagine maintenance costs would be lower as well.

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43 minutes ago, Stormscape said:

Assuming it's the BYD K9, their own website states 161 miles (~259 km). Also interesting is their top speed is 100 kph, meaning they would be suitable for routes that travel on highways (Second Narrows, 601/2/3/4, 620, 555, to name a few). If TransLink goes forward with an order of these buses, I could definitely see these buses being used as trippers on all routes, as they'd be perfect for it. Why send out a diesel for a tripper if you can send out a bus that uses electricity for a 4 hour depot to depot tripper? Don't need to spend money on diesel fuel, and I imagine maintenance costs would be lower as well.

Muahahah. That would be an awesome way to figure out if the bus you're boarding is a tripper or not (besides looking up the blocks). It would be a great visual on TCOMM of peak-hour service compared to regular service.

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3 hours ago, Stormscape said:

Assuming it's the BYD K9, their own website states 161 miles (~259 km). Also interesting is their top speed is 100 kph, meaning they would be suitable for routes that travel on highways (Second Narrows, 601/2/3/4, 620, 555, to name a few). If TransLink goes forward with an order of these buses, I could definitely see these buses being used as trippers on all routes, as they'd be perfect for it. Why send out a diesel for a tripper if you can send out a bus that uses electricity for a 4 hour depot to depot tripper? Don't need to spend money on diesel fuel, and I imagine maintenance costs would be lower as well.

Two things: One, keep in mind that the range goes down substantially with highway use. I suspect that the 161 miles per charge may be for a vehicle running in service with a 15-to-20mph average speed.

 

Second, regarding using these as full-time trippers: Yeah, not going to happen.

 

These will be brand new vehicles, costing a very pretty penny, and with the possibility of saving huge sums of money in the long run. It would be in Translink's best interest to have them out in service as much as possible in order to put the miles on them to save on costs, and especially from a branding standpoint.

 

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I'm wondering if this thread could be modified into a more general "Battery-Electric Bus Discussion"... The reason being that, alongside this BYD demo, there'll also be the trial on the route 100 in the not too distant future... and who knows, maybe we'll get more demos in the future from New Flyer, NovaBus, or even Proterra...

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7 hours ago, piggyoinkcanada said:

Can the BYD K9 charge at specially equipped bus stops? The electric xcelsiors can do it - approximately 1 hour of operation per 6 minute charge.(333 km total on a full(depot) charge.

BYD has been working on it. Long Beach (Cali) has equipped a bus stop on an electric bus route (using BYD buses) for en-route charging. Its wireless charging through a pad in the road surface and the bus charges from below. BYD has jumped on that approach.

But it looks to me like overhead fast-charging, as pioneered by Proterra, and then Volvo in Europe, is going to catch on first in Canada.

https://globenewswire.com/news-release/2017/03/08/933649/0/en/Brampton-Leads-in-Innovation-With-Global-First.html

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At the risk of sounding like a broken record, we need to talk to New Flyer and Vossloh Kiepe about testing In-Motion Charging on the #41. This would be a perfect solution for us, given our existing infrastructure. In the meantime, though, I'm definitely looking forward to the BYD test, especially since I live along the #33!

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On 5/4/2017 at 9:46 AM, Express691 said:

We're told it'll be running trials on the 33 once it is ready.

Any known timeframe of when it might be ready and running the 33? I'll want to include the 33 in my plans for my pre-BHA time in Vancouver if it might be running by the first week of June...

I realize of course demo units can sometimes be fairly fickle in terms of regular appearances on their 'assigned' testing service.

On a side note I saw pics on flickr of one of RTA Maryland's new BYD units: https://www.flickr.com/photos/mjoflakeland/33502100871/

 

I'm assuming the TransLink/CMBC one would be a similar styling. An improvement over their earlier prototype styling IMO: 17881706015_9d6311392e_t.jpg

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21 hours ago, cmbc2008 said:

New Electric bus test run for 3 months starting on May 15 on route 33

 

 

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I cannot wait to ride this electric bus. 

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New 1007  on 33 route 

100% electric zero emission bus Welcome to Vancouver transit centre maintenance  One of the best maintenance facilities in western Canada 

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The pilot BYD electric bus goes into service for three months starting Monday May 15,2017 on limits run on route 33

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47 minutes ago, cmbc2008 said:

New 1007  on 33 route 

100% electric zero emission bus Welcome to Vancouver transit centre maintenance  One of the best maintenance facilities in western Canada 

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Looks like the left-side mirror is still up really high, which will take some getting used to for whoever operates this one. Can't quite make out from that photo where the kneeler/ramp switch are, but I'm guessing they're still in the stock location, which probably isn't what the company wants, but will do for a pilot.

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cmbc2008   

New 1007  on 33 route 

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