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On 6/2/2017 at 1:00 AM, MTL66 said:

21-249 189 18:00

Good to hear that they fixed it. That just leaves 21-261 which is still MIA.

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Yesterday:

21-220 on the 162 in the morning. It has a new looking white front vent. I didn't see the front when I caught it on Monday, so I'm not sure when the vent was replaced.

Today:

21-252 was on the 24 around 17:15.

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6/3/17

  • 21-205 doing the 207 NB from Fairview at 11h02

Frontenac's 21-205 went from being at Anjou to St. Denis to now St. Laurent.

6/4/17

  • 21-246 parked at Legendre
  • 21-237 and 21-264 parked at Youville
  • 21-274 still parked in the same spot at St. Denis
  • 21-248 and 21-259 parked outside Frontenac
  • 21-234 parked inside Frontenac off to the side a bit
  • 21-206 coming in as the 85 at Frontenac Metro at 18h33
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Yesterday:

21-217, 219 and 229 were on the 105 during AM rush. I caught 21-229.

21-242 and 21-272 were on the 168 at Robert Bourassa/De Maisonneuve around 16:45.

21-253 was on an unknown route (only saw the driver's side) at Robert Bourassa/René Lévesque around 17:00. Since it was last seen operating out of Lasalle, it was probably on the 420.

21-209 was on the 178 on René Lévesque around 17:00.

Today:

21-232 was on the 105 at Vendome around 9:20.

21-266 was on the 496 at Lionel Groulx around 9:45.

I caught 21-202 on the 200 around 10:45. It is in really good shape. It hardly rattles and it still has an original front end with no noticeable rust.

21-205 was on the 202 at Fairview around 10:45.

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6/5/17

  • 21-249 as En Transit between Provencher and Pie-IX on Jean Talon at 15h45
  • 21-223 leaving Villa Maria Metro as En Transit around 16h45
  • 21-219 doing the 103 WB from Villa Maria Metro around 17h15
  • 21-232 doing the 105 WB at Decarie and Sherbrooke around 18h05
  • 21-239 doing the 141 EB from St. Michel Metro at 20h24 (got on it)

21-249 may have broken down as I saw a STM vested guy drop off 26-049 to the driver and he went to go sit inside the 21. It has the checkered bumper and no STM website url on the back. Plus it has a brand new license plate! Frontenac's 21-239 was a pleasant surprise as my ride home, this bus was on that same run 21-233 was a few weeks ago, stayed out until 22h45!

6/6/17

  • 21-236 on the 93 EB this morning around 8h45
  • 21-202 on the 201 at A40 service road and St. Jean around 20h30

St. Denis 21-202 must be on loan to St. Laurent recently. Since the 201 is confusing I can't tell you if it was leaving Fairview or going to Fairview.  Nice to see it running all day though!

 

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21-211 Unknown Route (Either 86 or 183) at Henri-Bourassa/Marien 12:30

21-227 26 (15:45) the 44 (17:15) @ Radisson Metro

21-238 449 @ Radisson Metro 15:35

21-241 18 @ Radisson Metro 16:45

21-249 Arrived at Radisson as 141, departed 449 16:45

21-260 18 @ Radisson Metro 17:10

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Yesterday:

21-217 was on the 485 EB on Notre Dame around 16:15.

Today:

21-232 was on the 105 at Vendome at 9:20. It was on the same run as on Tuesday.

21-231 was on the 105 at Vendome around 17:20.

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21-258 might look retired but an article from the Journal de Montreal says otherwise. 21-258 will be painted but will also be put back in service this summer to be retired by 2017's end.

http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2017/06/08/trois-bus-de-la-stm-repeints

(Credit goes to mrmontreal66 for providing the link)

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6/7/17

  • 21-268 on the 93 in the morning
  • 21-214 on the 55 NB at 8h18
  • 21-257 on the 161 EB in the morning around 8h45

6/8/17

  • 21-257 on the 161 WB around 8h45

21-257 has graffiti on the back where the rear ad goes.

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10 hours ago, Matt Demers said:

21-258 might look retired but an article from the Journal de Montreal says otherwise. 21-258 will be painted but will also be put back in service this summer to be retired by 2017's end.

http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2017/06/08/trois-bus-de-la-stm-repeints

(Credit goes to mrmontreal66 for providing the link)

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6/7/17

  • 21-268 on the 93 in the morning
  • 21-214 on the 55 NB at 8h18
  • 21-257 on the 161 EB in the morning around 8h45

6/8/17

  • 21-257 on the 161 WB around 8h45

21-257 has graffiti on the back where the rear ad goes.

 That's why I said "might be", as I knew it wasn't the only one to be painted. So this confirms that it's not retired.

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15 hours ago, Matt Demers said:

21-258 might look retired but an article from the Journal de Montreal says otherwise. 21-258 will be painted but will also be put back in service this summer to be retired by 2017's end.

http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2017/06/08/trois-bus-de-la-stm-repeints

(Credit goes to mrmontreal66 for providing the link)

 

5 hours ago, AlexLy said:

 That's why I said "might be", as I knew it wasn't the only one to be painted. So this confirms that it's not retired.

The TVA article on the subject says that they will be returned to their original appearance. I don't know if they have a source to back that statement up, because it seems like it would be a lot of effort to restore them to the STM livery given their age. http://www.tvanouvelles.ca/2017/06/08/trois-autobus-de-la-stm-repeints-comme-des-uvres-dart

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According to a source, Stinson has now receive the majority of hybrids between 37-001 to 37-039.  80% of them are already active.  They are about to receive 10 to 15 more in the next few days. So the 21-xxx based at Stinson  (most of them are between 21-216 to 21-235) are on a hot seat for the retirement or at least, to be active in another division before the retirement.  Keep in mind that the summer schedule (equal less service) begin the 19 of june.

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18 hours ago, M106 said:

According to a source, Stinson has now receive the majority of hybrids between 37-001 to 37-039.  80% of them are already active.  They are about to receive 10 to 15 more in the next few days. So the 21-xxx based at Stinson  (most of them are between 21-216 to 21-235) are on a hot seat for the retirement or at least, to be active in another division before the retirement.  Keep in mind that the summer schedule (equal less service) begin the 19 of june.

They might continue transferring the 30-0XX to Lasalle. (30-021 to 029 were moved when the first hybrids arrived). Lasalle lacks front ramp equipped buses. According to the STM schedules, the 211 and 405 often go the whole afternoon without front ramp equipped buses, and other routes often go for many hours.

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Yesterday:

21-228 was on the 105 around 10:45.

21-223 was En Transit on Sherbrooke at West Broadway around 16:10.

Today:

21-254 was on the 24 around noon.

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So it looks like 21-254 returned to Frontenac from Anjou. Now for my backlog of sightings...

6/9/17

  • 21-249 arriving as the 188 at St. Michel Metro around 8h00
  • 21-242 doing the 10 NB at Jean Talon/Delorimier at 8h06

Rare to see a 21-2xx on the 10 as this route always gets the 31s or 32s.

6/10/17

  • 21-203 doing the 141 EB at Jean Talon/Pie-IX at 14h37 (got on it)
  • 21-211 doing the 141 WB at same location at 16h42 (got on it)
  • 21-227 doing the 141 WB as the bus after at 16h46
  • 21-258 on St. Laurent halfway painted.

21-203 still has the 3 from a Classic on the front. All three have the checkered rear bumper. About 21-258, I am convinced this bus is coming back to service. First of all, they carefully taped off all the mirrors and the lights on the bus. Even the license plate is covered (A 74xxx)! Second, the side paint job seems "light" as you can see the numbers still underneath. The bus has no farebox but the iBus screen is still there and STM security is watching it. 21-258 is definately a Frontenac bus, has the FR sticker and the checkered bumper. Does anyone know where could the other 2 buses be for this mural fest?

6/11/17

  • 21-206, 21-209 and 21-261 in the front rows inside Frontenac
  • 21-259 parked outside Frontenac

21-261...yep you read that right! The one bus not spotted yet in this thread was seen this evening!

 

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They might continue transferring the 30-0XX to Lasalle. (30-021 to 029 were moved when the first hybrids arrived). Lasalle lacks front ramp equipped buses. According to the STM schedules, the 211 and 405 often go the whole afternoon without front ramp equipped buses, and other routes often go for many hours.

Its going to be interesting to see wich buses will be transfer to other CT.  30-176 to 30-182 have moved to St-Laurent and like you said, 30-021 to 30-029 have been transfer to Lasalle.  Others will probably follow this summer.

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The second bus is 21-206. It still has a fare box.
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Other sightings for today:

Despite the arrival of another batch of hybrids, the 2001s are still out in full force at Stinson!

21-219 En Transit at Vendome around 8:00.

21-231 on the 105 at Vendome around 8:00.

21-222 En Transit at Vendome around 15:30.

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21-204 Outside CT Frontenac

21-209 Entering CT Frontenac 18:09

21-239 Entering CT Frontenac 18:02

21-241 55 St-Laurent 14:35

21-242 Entering CT Frontenac 18:07

21-252 En Transit (Ontario/Viau) 18:26

21-253 85 Hochelaga 17:45

21-254 Entering CT Frontenac 17:58

21-258 Outside CT Frontenac (Looks to have a Farebox now)

21-259 Outside CT Frontenac

21-263 168 Cite-Du-Havre 17:37

21-272 427 Express St-Joseph (FR Extra, Run 136-51)

21-275 Outside CT Frontenac

 

21-253 is on Run 29-03, according to the data, this run started its day at 5:53 this morning and is scheduled to be back at the Garage for 26:03. This is both an accessibility and a Camera Violation! If anyone is interested, it is currently running on the 125, providing the bus hasn't been changed off.

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6/12/17

  • 21-209 doing the 168 SB at Square Victoria at 15h46 (got on it)
  • 21-270 as unknown on Ile-des-Soeurs around 16h30
  • 21-263 doing the 168 NB at Campus Bell at 16h56 (got on it)
  • 21-242 on the 61 at McGill around 17h15
  • 21-222 doing the 105 WB at Vendome at 17h51
  • 21-215 doing the 485 WB at Lionel-Groulx at 18h16 (got on it)
  • 21-266 as En Transit on 20 Est passing St. Jean at 18h57
  • 21-202 doing the 215 from Fairview around 19h05 then again leaving Cote Vertu at 19h59
  • 21-212 parked outside St. Laurent garage
  • 21-272 doing the 136 NB at Viau at 21h06

21-263 returned to Frontenac after spending some time at LaSalle and St. Denis! 21-222 was also an accessibility violation. And wow to mrmontreal66's information on 21-253 potentially running past 11pm! :o

 

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On 6/12/2017 at 10:54 PM, Matt Demers said:

6/12/17

  • 21-222 doing the 105 WB at Vendome at 17h51

21-222 was also an accessibility violation. 

This sighting isn't actually that special. Anjou, Lasalle and Stinson don't seem to pay attention to the "bus avec rampe en avant" designation on the schedules. Some supposedly accessible runs end up having rear ramp equipped LFS more often than front ramp equipped ones. The other garages, however, do seem to follow the schedule, so accessibility violations are notable.

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Yesterday:

21-231 was on the 105 at Vendome around 10:30.

21-205 was on the 204 at Dorval around 11:20.

21-217 was doing a Stinson extra on the 460 around 16:50.

21-228 was En Transit at Du College around 17:15.

21-232 was on the 175 at Du College around 17:15.

21-221 was signed up as "Special" at Gare Mont Royal around 17:50.

Today:

21-218 was on the 105 at Montreal Ouest around 8:55.

21-219 was on the 162 at Montreal Ouest around 10:20.

21-254 was on the 168 at Robert Bourassa/De Maisonneuve around 16:30.

21-239 was on the 90 laying over at Vendome around 17:30. This run is usually late and skips the Westmount portion of the route, starting its WB trip at Vendome. It was at Frontenac only 2 days ago!

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21-203 ET @ Henri-Bourassa Metro

21-215 189

21-216 170 then 213 @ Cote-Vertu

21-217 128 @ Cote-Vertu

21-220 64 @ Cote-Vertu

21-223 174 @ Cote-Vertu

21-224 174 @ Cote-Vertu

21-225 196 then 64 @ Cote-Vertu

21-228 213 @ Cote-Vertu

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The final mural bus is 21-272. I saw it parked on St. Laurent shortly after 9:00 this morning.

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Other sightings:

Yesterday:

 21-231 was on the 105 around 9:45.

Today:

21-254 was on the 24 all day. I saw it during AM rush, midday, and during PM rush.

21-261 was on the 24 around 10:45.

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6 hours ago, Gerbil said:

The final mural bus is 21-272. I saw it parked on St. Laurent shortly after 9:00 this morning.

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I noticed it got brand new or repainted front wheels!

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6/15/17

  • 21-266 doing the 460 WB at Cremazie and 17e avenue at 8h02

6/16/17

  • 21-256 on the 93 WB this morning around 8h05
  • 21-260 on the 161 EB this morning
  • 21-273 on the 161 EB this afternoon around 17h25
  • 21-228 doing the 72 at Cote Vertu Metro at 18h33
  • 21-220 doing the last 468 WB of the day at Cote Vertu Metro at 18h46
  • 21-240 as the 215 at Cote Vertu Metro at 19h57
  • 21-225 doing the 128 in the evening shortly after seeing 21-240

21-273 is back at St. Denis. 21-220 has a white driver's vent.

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17/06/2017

21-257 and 265 outside SD.

21-248 might be the first casulty og the 2001s. Still waiting on an official confirmation, but it is currently sitting at the back of Anjou and missing parts.

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