Millennium2002 Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 7 hours ago, Citaro said: BC Transit seems to like them for some reason... Less gears may mean reduced maintenance requirements, which would be a plus in BC Transit's case considering they only have a few places to overhaul buses for the entire province. Much of the fleet is based in small localities with only basic or shared garages to service them. If a bus has to go in for major repairs, then another may have to be driven in to substitute, which is undoubtedly an expensive logistical nightmare. The other option would be to reduce the schedules until it returns, which would infuriate riders that depend on the service for work or school. If the local garage can take care of the problem instead and get the bus back on the road sooner, then that's good news for everyone involved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GORDOOM Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 3 hours ago, Millennium2002 said: If the local garage can take care of the problem instead and get the bus back on the road sooner, then that's good news for everyone involved. Wouldn't Allisons make more sense, then, being so much more common? Or are Voiths that much simpler to maintain as to make up for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V3112 Posted August 22, 2017 Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 Did anyone notice how before HTC opened, BTC buses got certain advertisers and didn't get others? Over the last few years I've been keeping loose tabs on which organizations advertised on Burnaby buses and which didn't. Advertisers on BTC buses (mostly Burnaby/New West-targeted): Westminster Quay, Kensington Square, Tracy Niu PREC (New Coast Realty), Westminster Savings Advertisers less likely on BTC buses, more likely on VTC/Poco/RTC buses: First-run movies, premiering TV series, Alpine Credits, NuStream Realty, telcos (Shaw, Wind/Freedom, etc.), FortisBC But now, BTC has taken over all of North Van's 40-foot routes (while also operating 60-foot Burnaby routes, plus the 28, 130, etc.) while HTC is a chaotic mishmash of ex-Burnaby routes, with some VTC (100), Poco (101, 104, 128, 155) and RTC (410, 430) routes. How is advertising going to play out with the coaches from each garage? Is BTC going to be a mix of Burnaby targeted ads and North Van targeted ads, while HTC becomes a mix of Burnaby/New West/Tricities/Richmond-targeted ads? Because that what I've been seeing ever since HTC opened, I was just wondering if this is going to be the long-term strategy going forward. I will say that a couple of months ago, I saw H3293 with a Kensington Square ad on the left hand side, and I've been seeing some other ex-C40LFs (didn't get the) with Burnaby Heights ads at the rear. I will also that that it's weird to see one 130 with a Burnaby Heights ad at the rear, and a second with ads for North Shore realtors or the new Choices Markets that opened near Capilano Mall. Or seeing a Kensington Square ad and Alpine Credits ad on a 95 or 145. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmward Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 Spotted R8010 showing 620 Tsaww Ferry / Via / Ladner Exchange / Lest We Forget (Balios sign) At 4 exposures, thats a lot of text. Anyone know the max? What if the bus also had the Sorry Full or Express setting set, would it start replacing other messages? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotQuite Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 26 minutes ago, jmward said: Spotted R8010 showing 620 Tsaww Ferry / Via / Ladner Exchange / Lest We Forget (Balios sign) At 4 exposures, thats a lot of text. Anyone know the max? What if the bus also had the Sorry Full or Express setting set, would it start replacing other messages? 'Sorry Bus Full', 'Express', and 'Lest We Forget' are all PR messages and only one PR message can be displayed at a time. '620 Tsaww Ferry / Via / Ladner Exchange' is a Single destination sign. Only one Destination sign can be displayed at a time. The headsign is capable of displaying any one destination sign alternating with one PR message only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buizelbus Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 On 07/11/2017 at 6:24 PM, NotQuite said: 'Sorry Bus Full', 'Express', and 'Lest We Forget' are all PR messages and only one PR message can be displayed at a time. '620 Tsaww Ferry / Via / Ladner Exchange' is a Single destination sign. Only one Destination sign can be displayed at a time. The headsign is capable of displaying any one destination sign alternating with one PR message only. Don't forget A1 MESSAGE, TRAINING VEHICLE and DDR VEHICLE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountie Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 1 hour ago, buizel10 said: Don't forget A1 MESSAGE, TRAINING VEHICLE and DDR VEHICLE You can add ‘Happy Holidays’ and ‘Go Canucks Go’ while you’re at it... There are a number of PR messages to be displayed and I am certain he knows which ones are which lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCW Metrobus Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 2 hours ago, buizel10 said: Don't forget A1 MESSAGE, TRAINING VEHICLE and DDR VEHICLE "A1 MESSAGE?" is not a PR message, rather it is an error message that appears when an invalid destination sign code is keyed into a Luminator sign controller. One thing I've noticed is that only with the Horizon signs does the error message actually appear on the exterior signs. With the older flipdots, the sign controller will display "A1 MESSAGE?" but the destination sign itself will not change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Translink69 Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 14 minutes ago, MCW Metrobus said: "A1 MESSAGE?" is not a PR message, rather it is an error message that appears when an invalid destination sign code is keyed into a Luminator sign controller. One thing I've noticed is that only with the Horizon signs does the error message actually appear on the exterior signs. With the older flipdots, the sign controller will display "A1 MESSAGE?" but the destination sign itself will not change. It really annoys me that the 151 specials that go to the Coquitlam Rec Centre are "A1 MESSAGE", as it would either display 151 _____ via Coq Rec Centre or just SPECIAL before the June service changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotQuite Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 7 hours ago, Mountie said: You can add ‘Happy Holidays’ and ‘Go Canucks Go’ while you’re at it... There are a number of PR messages to be displayed and I am certain he knows which ones are which lol. Go Canucks Go and Go Lions Go have been removed and replaced with Go Team Go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dane Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 Hold on what?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Express691 Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Dane said: Hold on what?! Too many teams? (Canucks Lions Whitecaps) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dane Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 That's so asinine. Sounds like a joke but I'm worried it isn't Like Canucks Lions 'Caps is too much??!! Go team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GORDOOM Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 CMBC had to get rid of those PR messages when transit agencies started getting sued by professional sports teams/leagues for trademark infringement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dane Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 In Canada? Seems far fetched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Express691 Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 1 hour ago, GORDOOM said: CMBC had to get rid of those PR messages when transit agencies started getting sued by professional sports teams/leagues for trademark infringement. Wonder what the case is like in Seattle because as far as I know, the seahawks logo is actually programmed into the signs (at least on newer buses) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V3112 Posted November 16, 2017 Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 TransLink tested a number of pilot buses in 2011: Novabus LFX diesel 60' New Flyer Xcelsior XDE40 Orion VII Next Generation Diesel Plus a previous XDE40 test in 2009 Were these just exhibitions for experimental/research technologies kind of like the "testing the power of tomorrow"/H40LF/fuel cell LFS projects? Or, was it that TransLink really did want to replace the suburban 40' and 60' fleet, and were exploring various pilot buses before settling on Xcelsiors (hybrid-electric XDE60s for the articulated fleet, regular diesel XD40s for Richmond, XN40s for the Northeast Sector and Burnaby/New West)? Furthermore, is TransLink intending on buying more battery electric buses (no having to deal with trolley poles!) like how King County Metro is buying dozens of Proterras, or more double decker buses like Community Transit? Or was the BYD K9 pilot/will the Dennis Enviro500 pilot be a one-off thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buizelbus Posted November 16, 2017 Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 16 minutes ago, V3112 said: Were these just exhibitions for experimental/research technologies kind of like the "testing the power of tomorrow"/H40LF/fuel cell LFS projects? Or, was it that TransLink really did want to replace the suburban 40' and 60' fleet, and were exploring various pilot buses before settling on Xcelsiors (hybrid-electric XDE60s for the articulated fleet, regular diesel XD40s for Richmond, XN40s for the Northeast Sector and Burnaby/New West)? I think the rumours say they are going for Novas this order. Just rumours though. 17 minutes ago, V3112 said: Furthermore, is TransLink intending on buying more battery electric buses (no having to deal with trolley poles!) like how King County Metro is buying dozens of Proterras, or more double decker buses like Community Transit? Or was the BYD K9 pilot/will the Dennis Enviro500 pilot be a one-off thing? TransLink is intending to buy more, and the K9/XE40/LFS-E pilots will be finding the best one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Express691 Posted November 16, 2017 Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 The XN40/LFSe are firm purchases, to re-iterate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. BusFreak Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 I notice that the 1995, 1996, 1998 and 1999 D40LFs were retrofitted with LED headlights about 3–4 years ago, but the 2000 and 2001 D40LFs, Orion Vs and D60LFs weren't retrofitted with LED headlights. The 2000 and 2001 D40LFs, Orion Vs and D60LFs all use the same headlights as the 1995, 1996, 1998 and 1999 D40LFs before they were retrofitted with LED headlights. Does anyone here know why they weren't retrofitted with LED headlights? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dover5949 Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 10 minutes ago, Dr. BusFreak said: I notice that the 1995, 1996, 1998 and 1999 D40LFs were retrofitted with LED headlights about 3–4 years ago, but the 2000 and 2001 D40LFs, Orion Vs and D60LFs weren't retrofitted with LED headlights. The 2000 and 2001 D40LFs, Orion Vs and D60LFs all use the same headlights as the 1995, 1996, 1998 and 1999 D40LFs before they were retrofitted with LED headlights. Does anyone here know why? I've noticed the same with the '95, '96, '98 & '99 D40LF's. Around the same time period Campbell River Transit did the same thing with their '98 D40 LF's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatBusGuy Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 I find myself somewhat curious about the history of Scott Road Station, particularly the large layover area for buses that I don't think I've ever seen used - operators seem to just lay over in the large number of unused bays on the north side of the station. I'm not sure if 1) the station used to be the terminus for more routes but has since become less used, or 2) the station was designed with more service in mind, but that hasn't happened just yet. From the wiki I know the station was a major terminus from 1990-1994, when Surrey Central opened (which would suggest the first option) but it also says the loop was upgraded in 2014 which to me suggests the second option is also a possibility, especially with plans for a B-line along Scott Road and a route to the Tsawwassen Ferry Terminal, both of which would likely increase the number of required bays and layover space. If anyone knows something about its history, I would be interested Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8800GTX Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 hours ago, ThatBusGuy said: I find myself somewhat curious about the history of Scott Road Station, particularly the large layover area for buses that I don't think I've ever seen used - operators seem to just lay over in the large number of unused bays on the north side of the station. I'm not sure if 1) the station used to be the terminus for more routes but has since become less used, or 2) the station was designed with more service in mind, but that hasn't happened just yet. From the wiki I know the station was a major terminus from 1990-1994, when Surrey Central opened (which would suggest the first option) but it also says the loop was upgraded in 2014 which to me suggests the second option is also a possibility, especially with plans for a B-line along Scott Road and a route to the Tsawwassen Ferry Terminal, both of which would likely increase the number of required bays and layover space. If anyone knows something about its history, I would be interested The loop upgrade was mostly the shelters and boarding pads I believe, along with the revamped station entrances, which are part of the station renewals program that also retrofitted this station for faregates. Some of the facilities are probably built with the future Scott Rd B-Line in mind. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dane Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 I know nothing about Surrey, but little about bus routes - however - Scott Road was the end of the SkyTrain line for four years or so. No doubt that more buses were serving the loop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Express691 Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 http://buzzer.translink.ca/2011/01/more-skytrain-history-with-alan-m-photos-of-scott-road-station-1990/ I'll give you this as a start. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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