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2 hours ago, Big CJ said:

Thus closes the chapter of RTS buses in Florida. 1978-2018. What a run.

Yep. I'm going to miss seeing them cruise down the street while hearing the series 50 roar with grace. 

By the way, is JTA still running their 2000 units?

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Found out where 316 & 330 ended up. They were purchased by Greenway Transit Services in Durham, North Carolina. There is also another Ex-Lynx Phantom, I believe it is 329 there as well.

You can see a few pictures of the buses: https://www.yelp.com/biz/greenway-transit-services-durham-2

 

On 2/18/2018 at 6:03 PM, Big CJ said:

Thus closes the chapter of RTS buses in Florida. 1978-2018. What a run.

Sure is a shame. I was hoping a few of these would make it a little bit longer, but it was only a matter of time. Also, theres no word on 283. Based on what El Guajiro said, it doen't sound like they are getting rid of it yet, which is pretty surprising considering its age. But we'll see when the auction comes up.

 

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On 2/18/2018 at 8:09 PM, SKWROM said:

Yep. I'm going to miss seeing them cruise down the street while hearing the series 50 roar with grace. 

By the way, is JTA still running their 2000 units?

JTA retired those last year or back in 2016 I believe.

283 being used as a training bus isn't really surprising. In training service the bus doesn't really gain a lot of mileage. Lynx use to keep older buses as training buses for a a few more years. They kept 6 1985 Neoplans after retiring them from revenue service in 1997, until 2003. Two were sold off in 2000 though.

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35 minutes ago, Big CJ said:

JTA retired those last year or back in 2016 I believe.

283 being used as a training bus isn't really surprising. In training service the bus doesn't really gain a lot of mileage. Lynx use to keep older buses as training buses for a a few more years. They kept 6 1985 Neoplans after retiring them from revenue service in 1997, until 2003. Two were sold off in 2000 though.

The JTA wiki page needs to be updated as it still has it under their current active fleet.

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On 2/20/2018 at 9:56 PM, Big CJ said:

JTA retired those last year or back in 2016 I believe.

283 being used as a training bus isn't really surprising. In training service the bus doesn't really gain a lot of mileage. Lynx use to keep older buses as training buses for a a few more years. They kept 6 1985 Neoplans after retiring them from revenue service in 1997, until 2003. Two were sold off in 2000 though.

So it turns out 283 may be getting the boot. Ex-Palm Tran 0004 might become the new training bus per El Guajiro. Also, some of the other Ex-Palm Tran buses are now retired as well. 0102, 0108, 0116, 0117, & 0120 for sure. Possibly the others will go too.

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Also, another thing that was brought to my attention, the wiki page is incorrect on a few details. The wiki page says that the 1995 Gillig Phantoms #244-255 were renumbered from #401-412. Those buses were always numbered 244-255. I'm not sure where that info came from.

There were at one point #401, 408, 409, & 410 in RTS' fleet. These were 1983 Flxible Metro "A"s purchased from Volusia County Transit sometime in the late 1990s. They apparently had too many issues with their wheelchair lifts and were retired in 2001 when the 2001 Novas & Phantoms arrived.

Also, another two groups of buses that are not listed on the wiki page are :

#201-215 are early to mid-1980s Blue Bird City Bird buses. These had no ADA ramps. So they likely didn't make it far into the 90s before being retired.

RTS buses on Downtown Plaza (1990's)

 

#2096-2101 are 1996 Blue Bird Q Bus'. These were powered with small size front-mounted Cummins engines. These were all eventually phased out between 2004-2005 and were sold to an exporter who had them all sent to Costa Rica. Vin #'s are:

2096- 1BAGDCSA0TF069406
2097- 1BAGDCSA2TF069407
2098- 1BAGDCSA4TF069408
2099- 1BAGDCSA6TF069409
2100- 1BAGDCSA2TF069410
2101- 1BAGSCSA4TF069411

Blue Bird 1996 in Gainesville Regional Transit System Blue Bird buses in Gainesville Regional Transit System Blue Bird buses in Gainesville Regional Transit System Blue Bird buses in Gainesville Regional Transit System Blue Bird buses in Gainesville Regional Transit System

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18 hours ago, alexb320 said:

Also, another thing that was brought to my attention, the wiki page is incorrect on a few details. The wiki page says that the 1995 Gillig Phantoms #244-255 were renumbered from #401-412. Those buses were always numbered 244-255. I'm not sure where that info came from.

There were at one point #401, 408, 409, & 410 in RTS' fleet. These were 1983 Flxible Metro "A"s purchased from Volusia County Transit sometime in the late 1990s. They apparently had too many issues with their wheelchair lifts and were retired in 2001 when the 2001 Novas & Phantoms arrived.

Also, another two groups of buses that are not listed on the wiki page are :

#201-215 are early to mid-1980s Blue Bird City Bird buses. These had no ADA ramps. So they likely didn't make it far into the 90s before being retired.

RTS buses on Downtown Plaza (1990's)

 

#2096-2101 are 1996 Blue Bird Q Bus'. These were powered with small size front-mounted Cummins engines. These were all eventually phased out between 2004-2005 and were sold to an exporter who had them all sent to Costa Rica. Vin #'s are:

2096- 1BAGDCSA0TF069406

2097- 1BAGDCSA2TF069407

2098- 1BAGDCSA4TF069408

2099- 1BAGDCSA6TF069409

2100- 1BAGDCSA2TF069410

2101- 1BAGSCSA4TF069411

Blue Bird 1996 in Gainesville Regional Transit System Blue Bird buses in Gainesville Regional Transit System Blue Bird buses in Gainesville Regional Transit System Blue Bird buses in Gainesville Regional Transit System Blue Bird buses in Gainesville Regional Transit System

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Excellent post.

It brings another question about some of other ambiguous units RTS owned. Whatever happened to the 30’ ex-Palm Tran Phantoms they had? 

All credit belongs to El Guajiro for these photos on his Flickr account.

Ex Palm Tran in Gainesville Regional Transit System

 

Ex Palm Tran in Gainesville Regional Transit System

 

Ex Palm Tran in Gainesville Regional Transit System

 

Ex Palm Tran in Gainesville Regional Transit System

 

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On 3/1/2018 at 12:47 PM, SKWROM said:

Excellent post.

It brings another question about some of other ambiguous units RTS owned. Whatever happened to the 30’ ex-Palm Tran Phantoms they had? 

All credit belongs to El Guajiro for these photos on his Flickr account.

Ex Palm Tran in Gainesville Regional Transit System

 

Ex Palm Tran in Gainesville Regional Transit System

 

Ex Palm Tran in Gainesville Regional Transit System

 

Ex Palm Tran in Gainesville Regional Transit System

 

I'm pretty sure those were retired in 2010 when 1001-1017 or 540-550 went into service. 2010 was when I started getting into mass transit and I never once saw these.

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11 hours ago, alexb320 said:

I'm pretty sure those were retired in 2010 when 1001-1017 or 540-550 went into service. 2010 was when I started getting into mass transit and I never once saw these.

I see. That would make sense as they also retired their Orion Vs and 95 phantoms as well. 

Great to know you were also getting into the hobby of understanding transit. Hehe.

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Here are some photos of 20th Annual Bus Rodeo which happened yesterday. 

 

Retired Nova Bus RTSs

2012 & 2014 Gilligs 2007 & 2012 Gilligs

Gainesville RTS: 2007 Gillig Low Floor #705

 

Gainesville RTS: 2004 Gillig Phantom #559

 

Gainesville RTS: 2004 Gillig Phantom #560

 

Gainesville RTS: 2005 Gillig Phantom #565 & 566 Gainesville RTS: 2005 Gillig Phantom #564

 @alexb320I didn’t get to see you or I happened to overlook where you were unfortunately. I was thinking to call out your name but that would be awkward.

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On 3/11/2018 at 3:48 PM, SKWROM said:

Here are some photos of 20th Annual Bus Rodeo which happened yesterday. 

 

Retired Nova Bus RTSs

2012 & 2014 Gilligs 2007 & 2012 Gilligs

Gainesville RTS: 2007 Gillig Low Floor #705

 

Gainesville RTS: 2004 Gillig Phantom #559

 

Gainesville RTS: 2004 Gillig Phantom #560

 

Gainesville RTS: 2005 Gillig Phantom #565 & 566 Gainesville RTS: 2005 Gillig Phantom #564

 @alexb320I didn’t get to see you or I happened to overlook where you were unfortunately. I was thinking to call out your name but that would be awkward.

I was there briefly. Unfortunately I had to go out of town, so I didn't hang around as long as I wanted to. I spent the majority of my time there getting what pictures I could. Especially of the Novas and some of the Palm Tran buses. I also made sure I got some good shots of 283 in the old RTS lot. One of these days I'm going to get caught up with uploading on Flickr. Just too darn busy. Haha

On a different note, I believe 551 may also be retired. I noticed a few parts missing.

Also the 1800's are finally in service. They hit the streets on Monday. I'm interested in riding on one of those and the 1600's, which I also haven't been on yet. I know the quality of the Gilligs have definitely gone down over the past 10 years or so.

I rode on 1501 back in 2016 when they were brand new and I wasn't too impressed. Bumpy ride, rattling seats, and just an overall cheap feeling bus. Don't know if this is just how the new Gilligs are or if it was just a cheap model that Gainesville spec'd because of funding.

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11 hours ago, alexb320 said:

I was there briefly. Unfortunately I had to go out of town, so I didn't hang around as long as I wanted to. I spent the majority of my time there getting what pictures I could. Especially of the Novas and some of the Palm Tran buses. I also made sure I got some good shots of 283 in the old RTS lot. One of these days I'm going to get caught up with uploading on Flickr. Just too darn busy. Haha

On a different note, I believe 551 may also be retired. I noticed a few parts missing.

Also the 1800's are finally in service. They hit the streets on Monday. I'm interested in riding on one of those and the 1600's, which I also haven't been on yet. I know the quality of the Gilligs have definitely gone down over the past 10 years or so.

I rode on 1501 back in 2016 when they were brand new and I wasn't too impressed. Bumpy ride, rattling seats, and just an overall cheap feeling bus. Don't know if this is just how the new Gilligs are or if it was just a cheap model that Gainesville spec'd because of funding.

I was sitting on the bleachers so I wouldn’t have noticed you around. Next time I guess. I’ll be uploading the rest of the photos taken there on the weekend. Last time I checked 551, it was in tact. It’s probably getting a few minor repairs done to it.

As for the 1600’s, they run well and don’t shake as much as their previous order of low floors. I do wish however, they had cloth seating like they have before as the plastic seats aren’t very comfortable. 

I didn’t know Gillig’s manufacturing quality has been going downhill for this long. Are they cutting down on costs by purchasing cheaper materials for building their buses? This makes me wish Millennium Transit Services had their priorities straitened out as more competition in the bus industry would be a good thing as companies such as Neoplan, Nabi, Flexible, and recently Orion are no longer in the bus manufacturing Industry.

One more thing, some of the RTSs have been moved to the old lot meaning they should be on GovDeals very soon. Some people I know are very interested in purchasing one.

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On 3/14/2018 at 10:30 PM, SKWROM said:

I was sitting on the bleachers so I wouldn’t have noticed you around. Next time I guess. I’ll be uploading the rest of the photos taken there on the weekend. Last time I checked 551, it was in tact. It’s probably getting a few minor repairs done to it.

As for the 1600’s, they run well and don’t shake as much as their previous order of low floors. I do wish however, they had cloth seating like they have before as the plastic seats aren’t very comfortable. 

I didn’t know Gillig’s manufacturing quality has been going downhill for this long. Are they cutting down on costs by purchasing cheaper materials for building their buses? This makes me wish Millennium Transit Services had their priorities straitened out as more competition in the bus industry would be a good thing as companies such as Neoplan, Nabi, Flexible, and recently Orion are no longer in the bus manufacturing Industry.

One more thing, some of the RTSs have been moved to the old lot meaning they should be on GovDeals very soon. Some people I know are very interested in purchasing one.

Comparing the Palm Tran LowFloor buses to the 2007-2015 Gilligs, they just don't ride as nice. Again, I'm not sure if that is a Gillig thing, RTS just ordering cheaper quality buses because of the price, or it all being in my head. I also havn't been on the 1600's, so I really couldn't speak for those. But I would even say that the 1997 Ex-Lynx Phantoms were much comfortable than the 2007 Phantoms.

I wish Neoplan made it. Those were some awesome buses. I would also like to have seen more of the late model Neoplans and Orions in Florida.

I know at least one of the RTS' were getting parts picked off it. Hopefully the rest of them remain mostly intact so they can get a second life. If I had a place to park it, I'd buy one in a heartbeat. Haha

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On 2/28/2018 at 6:34 PM, alexb320 said:

Also, another thing that was brought to my attention, the wiki page is incorrect on a few details. The wiki page says that the 1995 Gillig Phantoms #244-255 were renumbered from #401-412. Those buses were always numbered 244-255. I'm not sure where that info came from.

There were at one point #401, 408, 409, & 410 in RTS' fleet. These were 1983 Flxible Metro "A"s purchased from Volusia County Transit sometime in the late 1990s. They apparently had too many issues with their wheelchair lifts and were retired in 2001 when the 2001 Novas & Phantoms arrived.

Also, another two groups of buses that are not listed on the wiki page are :

#201-215 are early to mid-1980s Blue Bird City Bird buses. These had no ADA ramps. So they likely didn't make it far into the 90s before being retired.

RTS buses on Downtown Plaza (1990's)

 

#2096-2101 are 1996 Blue Bird Q Bus'. These were powered with small size front-mounted Cummins engines. These were all eventually phased out between 2004-2005 and were sold to an exporter who had them all sent to Costa Rica. Vin #'s are:

2096- 1BAGDCSA0TF069406
2097- 1BAGDCSA2TF069407
2098- 1BAGDCSA4TF069408
2099- 1BAGDCSA6TF069409
2100- 1BAGDCSA2TF069410
2101- 1BAGSCSA4TF069411

Blue Bird 1996 in Gainesville Regional Transit System Blue Bird buses in Gainesville Regional Transit System Blue Bird buses in Gainesville Regional Transit System Blue Bird buses in Gainesville Regional Transit System Blue Bird buses in Gainesville Regional Transit System

All photo rights reserved by El Guajiro of Flickr

I'm going to address the Gillig thing. The 1995s on this production list I have were numbered 401-412, but for reasons unknown were renumbered 244-255. Speaking of the Votran Flxibles from 1983. Here are the VIN numbers as well as the tags for all seven of those buses.

401 1GF5DC6K2DD095554 203024
402 1GF5DC6K4DD095555 203026
403 1GF5DC6K6DD095556 No data
407 1GF5DC6K8DD095560 203023
408 1GF5DC6KXDD095561 203027
409 1GF5DC6K1DD095562 203025
410 1GF5DC6K3DD095563 203022

It sucks the lifts didn't work right on them, otherwise they would of retired later on in the 2000s. Also Pinellas Suncoast Transit Authority sold three of their 1985 Flxibles to Gainesville on July 9th, 1999.

2204 (ex-1012) 1GF5DAAKDF096376  114199

2205 (ex-1008) 1GF5DAAK1DF096372 114200

2206 (ex-1001) 1GF5DAAK4DF096365  114198

Speaking of PSTA. Here are the RTS that went to them.

RTS 2195 was 705

RTS 2196 was 701
RTS 2242 was 702
RTS 2243 was 703
RTS 2244 was 704
RTS 2245 was 706
RTS 2246 was 707

Also here is more information on the 10 RTS purchased from Midwest Buses in 1999.

4502 1982 GMC 1GOYT82J4CV820035 Dayton, OH 136323 5/28/1999 2/17/2006 2,901.00 ebay
4509 1982 GMC 1GOYT82J0CV820601 ex-445 NY 136324 5/28/1999 1/30/2006 871.00 ebay
4510 1982 GMC 1GOYT82J8CV820572 ex-416 NY 136317 5/28/1999 1/31/2006 1,276.00 ebay
4508 1982 GMC 1GOYT82J5CV820657 ex-501 NY 136322 5/28/1999 1/20/2006 1,125.00 ebay
4501 1982 GMC 1GOYT82J2CV820051 Dayton, OH 136321 5/28/1999 1/17/2006 2,247.00 ebay
4506 1982 GMC 1GOYT82J5CV820044 Dayton, OH 136320 5/28/1999 1/31/2006 1,625.00 ebay
4505 1982 GMC 1GOYT82J0CV820047 Dayton, OH 107861 5/28/1999 1/20/2006 1,030.00 ebay
4503 1982 GMC 1GOYT82JXCV820038 Dayton, OH 136319 5/28/1999 2/10/2006 2,250.00 ebay
4507 1982 GMC 1GOYT82J5CV821100 ex 8254 Cleveland 107860 5/28/1999 1/30/2006 1,025.00 ebay
4504 1982 GMC 1GOYT82J3CV820043 Dayton, OH 136318 9/30/199912/15/2005 3,000.00 eBay

Thank El Guajiro for all the effort he's put in finding this information. It took a lot of time an research for this.

 

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Ex-Lynx Flxibles VINs and tags. Plus when they were sold.

621 1987 FLX 1GF5BAFK6HD098120 114387 Lynx 8/8/2005 EBAY
623 1987 FLX 1GF5BAFKXHD098122 114388 Lynx 5/20/2000 AUCTION
624 1987 FLX 1GF5BAFK1HD098123 114389 Lynx 6/14/2003 SOLD @ AUCTION, S-16
626 1987 FLX 1GF5BAFK5HD098125 114386 Lynx 8/8/2005 EBAY
628 1987 FLX 1GF5BAFK9HD098127 114385 Lynx 7/20/2006 UNIVERSITY
630 1987 FLX 1GF5BAFK2HD098129 114384 Lynx 8/8/2005 EBAY
729 1987 FLX 1GF5BAFK9HD098672 114382 Lynx 6/14/2003 SOLD @ AUCTION, S-16
738 1987 FLX 1GF5BAFK68D098676 114381 Lynx 6/14/2003 SOLD @ AUCTION, S-16
742 1987 FLX 1GF5BAFK1HD098679 114380 Lynx 7/20/2006 UNIVERSITY
745 1987 FLX 1GF5BAFK6HD098113 114383 Lynx 7/20/2006 UNIVERSITY

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