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I found it funny they changed the signage and other things, but left the rollsign on "KENNEDY". LOL.

That's the second thing that caught my eye after realizing it was a T1 train.

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On 7/11/2021 at 9:35 AM, MK78 said:

I found it funny they changed the signage and other things, but left the rollsign on "KENNEDY". LOL.

That's the second thing that caught my eye after realizing it was a T1 train.

It could have been taken during the May 2010 BD split operation on the Victoria Day weekend while the crossover at St. George was being rebuilt. Trains to the eastern part of the line started from Museum, passed through Lower Bay without stopping, and rejoined the BD line west of Yonge, whence they resumed normal route making all stops to Kennedy. WB they did the reverse, passing through Lower Bay without stopping if signals permitted. If not, they had to wait with the train entirely within the platform area, with doors closed; crews had to announce that to passengers. That was my only experience with Lower Bay, which I find little different from the upper level, apart from being a little narrower and having the different floor coverings that were tested there. (BTW that same weekend the present bus terminal at Victoria Park opened, replacing the previous abomination).

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TTC starts rolling out one-person train operation between Vaughan Metropolitan Centre and St. George on Sunday ONLY which was effective August 1st. From St. George to Finch will continue operating with two person train operation.

7 day operation of one-person train operation between the same stretch will rollout on November 21st. Between Vaughan Metropolitan Centre and St. George. 

Line 3 Scarborough RT has operated with only one train operator on-board since the first day. Line 4 Sheppard since October 2016. Of course the amount of volume on these two lines is a fraction compared to what Line 1 Yonge-University gets. Trying to better manage with technological advancements and reallocating employees elsewhere by increasing the amount of station and subway supervisors. 

http://www.ttc.ca/Riding_the_TTC/OPTO.jsp?fbclid=IwAR1hfUBf97HUDsp3zkzb91m-1Zqp-A91CVZvuRDSq2GBd_lvCKRuzC7VMkQ

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10 hours ago, GTAmissions1 said:

Trying to better manage with technological advancements and reallocating employees elsewhere by increasing the amount of station and subway supervisors.

In other words, what they are saying is that they are reallocating employees to do absolutely nothing. It's like the more supervisors there are, the more useless service becomes.

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On 8/27/2021 at 2:09 PM, GTAmissions1 said:

TTC starts rolling out one-person train operation between Vaughan Metropolitan Centre and St. George on Sunday ONLY which was effective August 1st. From St. George to Finch will continue operating with two person train operation.

7 day operation of one-person train operation between the same stretch will rollout on November 21st. Between Vaughan Metropolitan Centre and St. George. 

Line 3 Scarborough RT has operated with only one train operator on-board since the first day. Line 4 Sheppard since October 2016. Of course the amount of volume on these two lines is a fraction compared to what Line 1 Yonge-University gets. Trying to better manage with technological advancements and reallocating employees elsewhere by increasing the amount of station and subway supervisors. 

http://www.ttc.ca/Riding_the_TTC/OPTO.jsp?fbclid=IwAR1hfUBf97HUDsp3zkzb91m-1Zqp-A91CVZvuRDSq2GBd_lvCKRuzC7VMkQ

It'll be curious how much longer simple nuisance alarms take to clear, since now it's the operator who will have to walk back and forth to communicate with transit control, instead of the guard that can relay information.

Sheppard line is also only 4 car trains, so it's that much shorter.

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8 minutes ago, MK78 said:

It'll be curious how much longer simple nuisance alarms take to clear, since now it's the operator who will have to walk back and forth to communicate with transit control, instead of the guard that can relay information.

Sheppard line is also only 4 car trains, so it's that much shorter.

The TTC found that onboard delays increased by quite literally a fraction of a single percentage point after they went to OPTO on the Sheppard Line, so any increases will likely be almost unnoticeable.

 

Dan

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1 minute ago, smallspy said:

The TTC found that onboard delays increased by quite literally a fraction of a single percentage point after they went to OPTO on the Sheppard Line, so any increases will likely be almost unnoticeable.

That may very well be, but its only a 4 car train and there are way fewer passengers like it was mentioned.

Also I wonder when turnbacks happen, the operator now has to walk back to the other side, set up the train for reverse, and go back. So I think that will also slow down significantly. Since the TTC implemented the rear guard position a few years ago now, the turnbacks are very quick, having seen a number of them like at Vic Park, you see the train stop at the turnback location, and the forward headlights come on and almost immediately it travels back over a crossover once they get their light.

Also the radio frequently goes out where the operator can't communicate with transit control, but he can communicate with the guard, who can relay information during a mechanical issue or a signal issue, etc... I've heard number of comms like that where the guard is acting as a proxy.

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15 hours ago, MK78 said:

That may very well be, but its only a 4 car train and there are way fewer passengers like it was mentioned.

Also I wonder when turnbacks happen, the operator now has to walk back to the other side, set up the train for reverse, and go back. So I think that will also slow down significantly. Since the TTC implemented the rear guard position a few years ago now, the turnbacks are very quick, having seen a number of them like at Vic Park, you see the train stop at the turnback location, and the forward headlights come on and almost immediately it travels back over a crossover once they get their light.

Also the radio frequently goes out where the operator can't communicate with transit control, but he can communicate with the guard, who can relay information during a mechanical issue or a signal issue, etc... I've heard number of comms like that where the guard is acting as a proxy.

Most agencies put a second operator on when a train needs to be reversed quickly, but that is only an argument for doing in those specific situations. A The vast majority of the time one person is enough.

 

most agencies that need to turn around trains quickly (such as STM) only put two operators on when the procedure needs to be done, and take one off once the train has been reversed.

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7 hours ago, TTC103 said:

Most agencies put a second operator on when a train needs to be reversed quickly, but that is only an argument for doing in those specific situations. A The vast majority of the time one person is enough.

most agencies that need to turn around trains quickly (such as STM) only put two operators on when the procedure needs to be done, and take one off once the train has been reversed.

That may make sense when it's a planned closure that requires turnbacks, but how do you add extra operators for reversing when it's a long delay like a track level incident where its like 2 hours before service is restored?

I guess they factor all this in.

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On 8/31/2021 at 2:49 PM, MK78 said:

That may make sense when it's a planned closure that requires turnbacks, but how do you add extra operators for reversing when it's a long delay like a track level incident where its like 2 hours before service is restored?

I guess they factor all this in.

When you have a disruption, there will be a surplus of operators available. It may take a bit longer, but shouldn't be a big issue.

 

In any case, I'm happy that the TTC is taking steps to improve the subway. Staff will not be required to ride on the exterior of the train, which is a huge Health & Safety improvement.

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40 minutes ago, TTC103 said:

In any case, I'm happy that the TTC is taking steps to improve the subway. Staff will not be required to ride on the exterior of the train, which is a huge Health & Safety improvement.

How do the staff ride on the exterior?

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4 minutes ago, MK78 said:

How do the staff ride on the exterior?

I would assume he means when the conductors stick their heads out of the windows as the train departs, but personally I don't see how that's a health and safety risk, but ok.

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2 minutes ago, MK78 said:

How do the staff ride on the exterior?

 

2 minutes ago, Orion VI said:

I would assume he means when the conductors stick their heads out of the windows as the train departs, but personally I don't see how that's a health and safety risk, but ok.

 

The TTC does not require the guard to bring their body into the train before signalling to the operator that it is safe to start. During that time, they are in a vulnerable position where they could be assaulted by a customer angry that they didn't hold the doors, or where they could be hit by an object. In the NY subway, a conductor was killed about 18 years ago after being struck by a metal gate at the end of a platform. Where I live now, in continental Europe, it is not permitted for any employee to stick their body parts outside a train that is moving or about to move.

https://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/19/nyregion/leaning-out-of-train-a-subway-conductor-hits-her-head-and-dies.html

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Yeah i dunno how that could happen here on the TTC, except deliberately. By the time the guard's car passes the end of the station its going at a pretty good clip. I really don't see many guards sticking their heads out for very long at all, usually when the doors close they close their window and the train moves off.

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11 minutes ago, MK78 said:

Yeah i dunno how that could happen here on the TTC, except deliberately. By the time the guard's car passes the end of the station its going at a pretty good clip. I really don't see many guards sticking their heads out for very long at all, usually when the doors close they close their window and the train moves off.

In the incident on the NY subway, the train travelled 300 feet (the length of a line 4 train) before the contact with the gate. It just takes someone losing focus in the moment. I doubt that that train conductor wanted to die on the job.

 

The assault issue is very real risk. The most common situation for an assault to occur to a member of train staff is during dispatch.

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How far east do the platforms for Main Street Station extend?  Assuming past Barrington Avenue, but does it terminate somewhere under Coleman Park?  

Random question for a lazy Sunday afternoon.  Thanks in advance.

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19 hours ago, 88A said:

How far east do the platforms for Main Street Station extend?  Assuming past Barrington Avenue, but does it terminate somewhere under Coleman Park?  

Random question for a lazy Sunday afternoon.  Thanks in advance.

East? Not very. I think that they just touch the east side of Barrington St. - definitely not as far as the main portion of the park.

 

To the west, they stretch to the laneway between Chisholm and Main.

 

Dan

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On 9/12/2021 at 2:06 PM, 88A said:

How far east do the platforms for Main Street Station extend?  Assuming past Barrington Avenue, but does it terminate somewhere under Coleman Park?  

Random question for a lazy Sunday afternoon.  Thanks in advance.

If you sit in the park, you can however, hear the trains rumbling as the pass underneath you!

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On 9/13/2021 at 9:29 AM, smallspy said:

East? Not very. I think that they just touch the east side of Barrington St. - definitely not as far as the main portion of the park.

 

To the west, they stretch to the laneway between Chisholm and Main.

 

Dan

You can see the vent shaft surfacing at the corner of Barrington and Coleman. That shaft is just east of the platform end gate.

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On 8/27/2021 at 2:09 PM, GTAmissions1 said:

TTC starts rolling out one-person train operation between Vaughan Metropolitan Centre and St. George on Sunday ONLY which was effective August 1st. From St. George to Finch will continue operating with two person train operation.

7 day operation of one-person train operation between the same stretch will rollout on November 21st. Between Vaughan Metropolitan Centre and St. George. 

Line 3 Scarborough RT has operated with only one train operator on-board since the first day. Line 4 Sheppard since October 2016. Of course the amount of volume on these two lines is a fraction compared to what Line 1 Yonge-University gets. Trying to better manage with technological advancements and reallocating employees elsewhere by increasing the amount of station and subway supervisors. 

http://www.ttc.ca/Riding_the_TTC/OPTO.jsp?fbclid=IwAR1hfUBf97HUDsp3zkzb91m-1Zqp-A91CVZvuRDSq2GBd_lvCKRuzC7VMkQ

I was on a one-man train St. George (though I started from Union) to Vaughan the morning of September 5; no issues. The train pulled out of Vaughan SB in about a minute; the outbound operator was waiting at the other end of the platform.

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18 hours ago, Archer said:

You can see the vent shaft surfacing at the corner of Barrington and Coleman. That shaft is just east of the platform end gate.

I thought about pointing out that vent shaft, but I was also worried about muddying the issue.

 

For the record, virtually all of those vent shafts are built beyond the ends of the platforms. Coxwell is another east-end station with a very visible one at street level.

 

Dan

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4 hours ago, blue.bird.fan said:

Why do SRT drivers still verbally announce stops? I was at McCowan today and there was a notice on the whiteboard advising operators to do this.

My guess there is something wrong with the announcement system? I haven't ridden the SRT in almost 2 years so I can't tell ya if this is a regular occurrence or not.

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