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OCTA's 7400s never had Detroit Diesel Series 50s

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The 2001 New Flyer D60LFs from the OCTA were never repowered from and delivered with Detroit Diesel Series 50s according to Facebook at Orange County Transit Fans. These buses had Cummins ISL upon delivery in late 2001 to early 2002, making them the very first New Flyer D60LFs to come with that engine. Also, the diesel ISL engine was offered early in 2001, as a result of the problems the 7200s and 7300s had with their underpowered Detroit Diesel Series 50s, at which they were repowered in 2004-2005. Units 7401-7412 were built in October 2001, while units 7413-7420 were built in November 2001. These buses all have about 65 American Seating 6468s. So far, unit 7406 has been taken out of the fleet as of today. Revert this edit due to the fact it would draw misconception among many bus fans in Southern California.

License plates for remaining 7400s:

7402: 1078684

7404: 1078686

7405: 1078687

7406: 1078701

7408: 1078689

7409: 1078702

7414: 1078691

7416: 1078697

 

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20 hours ago, OCTD 2039 said:

The 2001 New Flyer D60LFs from the OCTA were never repowered from and delivered with Detroit Diesel Series 50s according to Facebook at Orange County Transit Fans. These buses had Cummins ISL upon delivery in late 2001 to early 2002, making them the very first New Flyer D60LFs to come with that engine. Also, the diesel ISL engine was offered early in 2001, as a result of the problems the 7200s and 7300s had with their underpowered Detroit Diesel Series 50s, at which they were repowered in 2004-2005. Units 7401-7412 were built in October 2001, while units 7413-7420 were built in November 2001. These buses all have about 65 American Seating 6468s. So far, unit 7406 has been taken out of the fleet as of today. Revert this edit due to the fact it would draw misconception among many bus fans in Southern California.

 

 

54 minutes ago, Kevin L said:

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The engine code for the VIN (7th character) on OCTA 7401-7420 is 'M' which indicates these buses were indeed built with S50 engines but perhaps retrofitted afterwards. The information is easily available on our wiki page at https://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php/New_Flyer_Vehicle_Identification_Number_Explanation . A little checking of facts should be done before just going off assumptions, especially from Facebook discussion groups.

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6 minutes ago, Silly Tilley said:

 

The engine code for the VIN (7th character) on OCTA 7401-7420 is 'M' which indicates these buses were indeed built with S50 engines but perhaps retrofitted afterwards. The information is easily available on our wiki page at https://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php/New_Flyer_Vehicle_Identification_Number_Explanation . A little checking of facts should be done before just going off assumptions, especially from Facebook discussion groups.

I was wondering why that didn't match what the VIN was. I wrongly assumed it was an error since they were a Facebook group from Orange County.

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The 5000s and 5100s from the OCTA originally had Cummins L10 engines, but the engine code on the VIN for the 1990 New Flyer D40s had a "D", meaning these buses had been built with Detroit Diesel 6V92TAs, but these units had Cummins LTA10Bs on them.

5001: 2FYD2DD09LU013891

For OCTA's ElDorado National E-Z Riders, 6001's VIN lacks an eighth digit: 1N9LLA65VC084252. This means they had Cummins B5.9s, but it is never listed on the Vehicle Identification Number Explanation for ElDorado National.

So far, there is a misconception on the engine code for OCTA's New Flyer D40s and ElDorado National E-Z Riders just like OCTA 2001 New Flyer D60LFs, from which they had something different apart from the engines they had upon delivery. 

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I've added this line to the wiki page

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The VINs on these buses indicate that they came with Detroit Diesel Series 50 engines, however there is some debate amongst busfans that they may have come with the Cummins ISL engines from the start.

 

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On 8/3/2016 at 8:17 PM, OCTD 2039 said:

The 5000s and 5100s from the OCTA originally had Cummins L10 engines, but the engine code on the VIN for the 1990 New Flyer D40s had a "D", meaning these buses had been built with Detroit Diesel 6V92TAs, but these units had Cummins LTA10Bs on them.

5001: 2FYD2DD09LU013891

For OCTA's ElDorado National E-Z Riders, 6001's VIN lacks an eighth digit: 1N9LLA65VC084252. This means they had Cummins B5.9s, but it is never listed on the Vehicle Identification Number Explanation for ElDorado National.

So far, there is a misconception on the engine code for OCTA's New Flyer D40s and ElDorado National E-Z Riders just like OCTA 2001 New Flyer D60LFs, from which they had something different apart from the engines they had upon delivery. 

I'm starting to wonder how many Gillig Phantoms and Orion I's actually had eleventh-hour changes that do not correspond with the VIN number?

Off the top of my head, I can pinpoint the Ride-On (Montgomery County, Rockville, MD) 1988-89 Phantoms were initially built with DD 6V92TA engines (code 09 in VIN), but actually had Cat 3208T engines (code 04) and those in turn were replaced by Cummins C8.3 diesel engines (code 18 in VIN).

Markham Transit's 1983 and 1985-86 Orion I's (2018-2019, 2021-2024 and 2027-2030) may (or may not) also be victims of these 11th-hour changes you describe. While their VIN code, 7, would suggest 6V92TA power, some of these had been repowered to 6V71Ns (code 2 in VIN) later.

~Ben

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