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2 hours ago, horseman said:

Hi folks.  Check out http://www.winnipeg.ca/matmgt/bidopp.asp, specifically project 555-2015 at the bottom.  Some interesting content if one wades through it, including BRT through Union Station, and investigating a new garage in the northeast.

Thanks for the heads-up.

This was quite interesting...

 

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Develop options for a segment that provides BRT connectivity through Tracks 1 and 2 of Union Station to link the Southwest Transit Corridor, Eastern Transit Corridor, and the Graham Avenue Transit Mall. Main Street is currently used by Winnipeg Transit to connect the Graham Avenue Transit Mall with the Southwest Transit Corridor.

Winnipeg Transit seeks an alternative to using Main Street for this segment of the rapid transit network;

♦ Winnipeg Transit has an agreement in place with CN Rail permitting Winnipeg Transit to make use of existing railway right-of-way (Tracks 1 and 2 through Union Station) for a segment of Rapid Transit Corridor parallel to Main Street;

♦ Note that this segment will need to include a Winnipeg Transit station inside the Union Station train shed structure, designed to facilitate the movement of pedestrians & cyclists with 24/7/365 use, and link to proposed development in the area;

♦ The existing railway museum within Union Station would need to be relocated; and

♦ One or more bridges would be required. These bridges would need to be designed for two-way transit vehicle (bus) traffic, with consideration of future LRT standards.

 

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On 5/26/2016 at 4:58 PM, Mark Walton said:

Where would the proposed new northeast garage be? Would it replace NMG?

 

Good question.  The garage attached to the eastern corridor project is, to me, an unexpected component (as is the Main Street transitway).  It would make sense for Transit to take advantage of the eastern corridor project to get the garage renewal they have been asking for for a very long time.  Whether they then close North Garage, or maybe attach its renewal to a later North Corridor rapid transit project is anyone's guess.

I suppose it's smart politics to roll these other projects into the Eastern Corridor, which has political buy-in and is probably well timed to take advantage of the Federal funding coming available.

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I attended a "pre-consultation" session on the Eastern Corridor this week. It wasn't so much about the transit project itself as a session about how to conduct public consultations. Who to talk to. Channels of communication. Topics for discussion... Etc...

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There is an updated set of webpages for the Eastern Corridor Study on the Winnipeg Transit website at http://winnipeg.ca/easterncorridor. There's a list of public engagement events coming up in May.  One element of interest is the "Idea Wall" where they are looking for general comments, ideas, aspirations about the project... https://winnipegecs.engagingplans.net/ideas

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They added some extra online activities to the Eastern Corridor Study pages:

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In July, there were a few pop-up events where the Eastern Corridor Study's consultants were out at farmers markets in Winnipeg to talk to people about transit in general and about the Eastern Corridor Study.  They posted some of the presentation materials online: http://winnipegtransit.com/assets/1958/17M-00063-00_ECS_Pop-up_Boards_170629_clean_formatted.pdf

The last page of this is interesting, they showed a number of BRT concepts from other cities, including different ways of integrating BRT lanes on-street, and an image showing all-door boarding.  

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On 5/13/2016 at 2:44 PM, DavidW said:

♦ The existing railway museum within Union Station would need to be relocated; and

Not gonna happen. No way.

May as well send them out to the RM of Rosser Manitoba, beyond WT service area. LOL. That's Winterpeg for ya.

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Someone wrote on the Eastern Corridor "wall" the following...It wasn't me, BTW, though I've always thought this would be a great idea:

"Change the route of the 47. Go down Provencher instead of the Higgins area. I want one bus to get from residential Transcona to St. Boniface, The Forks, and Downtown."

 

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On 2016-05-31 at 0:01 PM, DavidW said:

Good question.  The garage attached to the eastern corridor project is, to me, an unexpected component (as is the Main Street transitway).  It would make sense for Transit to take advantage of the eastern corridor project to get the garage renewal they have been asking for for a very long time.  Whether they then close North Garage, or maybe attach its renewal to a later North Corridor rapid transit project is anyone's guess.

I suppose it's smart politics to roll these other projects into the Eastern Corridor, which has political buy-in and is probably well timed to take advantage of the Federal funding coming available.

The spot being looked at is two adjacent parcels, the Insect Control Branch site and the snow dump land on the west side of the Public Works Yard on Thomas Ave.

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While the planners and engineers toil away quietly on an Eastern Corridor preferred design l have heard a few off-hand comments that sound interesting.

One is that there is strong interest in an on-street design, more than the alternative railway corridor. The on-street approach brings with it traffic segregation and traffic conflict issues. I hope segregation means something more substantial than a painted line. I would also hope that cross traffic would at the very least be managed by transit-activated signal priority. It would be very disappointing (and verging on pointless) if "rapid" transit is tied to the constraints of car traffic.

The second was much more vague... tying together the Eastern Corridor with "New Flyer", "new technology", and "electric". In my experience these sorts of notions often don't advance beyond the "what if" conversation stage but I'm very curious to know more. Alas, in my experience Winnipeg Transit is usually about as adventurous as an old maid in church...😁

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My only hope for the Eastern Corridor is that it gets the buses past Peguis in rush hour before rejoining with Regent.

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There are Eastern Corridor public workshops scheduled all this week. I went to the one at Manitoba Hydro downtown this Monday around noon.

The planning is still in the criteria and process phase. The workshop didn't present any route or design alternatives. Instead there was a map of the study area with all of the possible paths marked on it. The public was encouraged to mark their preferred route with sticky coloured string.

There appear to be both on-street and off-street path options under consideration. Regent, Nairn, Mission, Provencher, the CN line, the CP line, and all sorts of other potential paths were available for your sticky string to be stuck to. 

This is all fine for an early, exploratory phase, but eventually professionals with knowledge and analytical skills will have to advance a few alternatives. I prefer putting the line where people travel now,  enhancing service, rather than creating a new, separate parallel path and splitting service across them so neither service is good.

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There's new information on the Eastern Corridor Study website, they are now talking about potential corridor options and looking for feedback on the alternatives. http://winnipegtransit.com/en/major-projects/rapid-transit/eastern-corridor-study/ is the page on Transit's website for the project, the feedback webpage that includes a map showing route options is here: https://easterncorridor.mysocialpinpoint.com/potential-route-options#/

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1 hour ago, horseman said:

There's new information on the Eastern Corridor Study website, they are now talking about potential corridor options and looking for feedback on the alternatives. http://winnipegtransit.com/en/major-projects/rapid-transit/eastern-corridor-study/ is the page on Transit's website for the project, the feedback webpage that includes a map showing route options is here: https://easterncorridor.mysocialpinpoint.com/potential-route-options#/

I posted about this on the southwest corridor thread that the major change is that Main Street is now the preferred route instead of Union Station. Couldn't find this thread when I posted last night.

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Just came from an Eastern Corridor open house. They've narrowed the route options considerably from last November's open houses.

There seemed to be a couple of alternatives for each section of the project. I could almost categorize them as the "better" option and the "easier" option. "Better" as in "in the right place" or "more direct" and "easier" as in "cheaper" or less difficult politically.

My historical sense is that Winnipeg Transit tends to compromise towards "easier" and away from "better" very early in a project. Perhaps that arises from a sense that they really have little to no public or political support they can really count on...

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Bumping an old thread here, but does anyone know the status of this project? The Transit website says there was supposed to be another round of consultation in the Fall, and council should've voted on the final alignment in the winter. Yet, the last update was almost a year ago.

I really hope things are just being delayed and this project isn't dead yet...

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11 hours ago, jhood135 said:

Bumping an old thread here, but does anyone know the status of this project? The Transit website says there was supposed to be another round of consultation in the Fall, and council should've voted on the final alignment in the winter. Yet, the last update was almost a year ago.

I really hope things are just being delayed and this project isn't dead yet...

Well considering how Louise and Arlington bridges are literally ripping apart at the seams... we could probably imagine what's about to happen next. Sadly...

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