Future TTC Bus Orders

[FlyerD901]

TTC didn't even order any buses, that alone should tell you something. And even if they did order buses, they definitely wont be here by 2020. I think the next order of buses is to be here in 2022. Only info we have for buses is a RFI for hybrids and all-electric buses.

Lets not be that gullible or naïve.

[Young]

Does anyone know if they plan on ordering anymore artics this year or next year?

[FlyerD901]

RFI for electric wheel trans buses

 

[FlyerD901]

Request for Information - Battery Electric Buses and Hybrid Buses

Re post so it's easier to keep track

[FabianColeyLOVESBUSES]

i have been informed that the Arrow Road Garage will be a all Hybrid bus and Electric bus Division. I have also been informed that 3xxx diesels will still be at Arrow but mostly the 3300s. The next hybrid bus order will push out majority of the 3xxx diesels out of Arrow Road Garage sometime in the next year or two.

[Xtrazsteve]

If they every do order some ebus artics, they'll likely be at Arrow or MtD. It seems to make more sense to have artics at MtD since they would be getting all the west end artic routes.

 

[FabianColeyLOVESBUSES]

I have been told that the TTC  hybrid artic order is going to be the same as the artics we have now. TTC is going to get Nova hybrid artics. I have been told that 60 buses are supposed to be ordered with 30 units going to Mount Dennis. I have been told TTC might go ahead with the 60 hybrid artics. i am not sure when they be delivered. I also dont know if TTC will change their mind or not on ordering the hybrid artics.

[2044]

Probably a good idea to wait for the TTC’s own report.

[FabianColeyLOVESBUSES]

Yea that is true. 

[7749]

4 hours ago, FabianColeyLOVESBUSES said:

I have been told that the TTC  hybrid artic order is going to be the same as the artics we have now. TTC is going to get Nova hybrid artics. I have been told that 60 buses are supposed to be ordered with 30 units going to Mount Dennis. I have been told TTC might go ahead with the 60 hybrid artics. i am not sure when they be delivered. I also dont know if TTC will change their mind or not on ordering the hybrid artics.

Interesting, I have heard the same as well (from a source I will not mention), about the hybrid artic order in 2022, with the same number of buses, 60. I don't think they've decided on which bus yet. There is also supposed to be a order of 80 electric buses for 2022 as well, that's all I'll say for now.

[Young]

On 3/24/2021 at 5:12 PM, FabianColeyLOVESBUSES said:

I have been told that the TTC  hybrid artic order is going to be the same as the artics we have now. TTC is going to get Nova hybrid artics. I have been told that 60 buses are supposed to be ordered with 30 units going to Mount Dennis. I have been told TTC might go ahead with the 60 hybrid artics. i am not sure when they be delivered. I also dont know if TTC will change their mind or not on ordering the hybrid artics.

I wonder what they’re going to number the buses

[MRD10]

36 minutes ago, Young said:

I wonder what they’re going to number the buses

There's a few possibilities. 

The hybrids and electrics have been following the 3xxx series. So the first order will be numbered 38xx.
But they could choose to number the artic's closer to the current fleet, so in that case it would be 93xx.

[FlyerD901]

eBuses

300 buses by Q1 2023 and Q2 2025

[MCIBUS]

Have they said which electric bus model there going with?

[FlyerD901]

Green bus Fleet future

Forgot to add this earlier

[lip]

5 hours ago, MCIBUS said:

Have they said which electric bus model there going with?

No

[Xtrazsteve]

The report has indicated that NFI are the best of the three. Probably cause they and NovaBUS have been the more experienced builders. It also mention that Nova is coming with a new battery powered bus. So those LFSe+ is also a good contender plus TTC likes the Novas better. They also want up to 2 contractors, so maybe NFI and Nova?

Only NFI and Nova have stainless steel frame.
NFI is the only satisfactory model between the current 3.
NFI has the less energy consumption variations between winter and summer. BYDs are the worst in winter but best in summer, variation is huge.
NFI has the best MDBF, Proterra is the worst. The BYD fleet is still too early to tell (since they arrived late) but is trending much better than Proterra.
Proterra is 42.5 ft long, which doesn't fit well in 4 of the 8 garages. So that's a big no-no.
BYD needs a special charger plug.
BYD has the most flaws on arrival.
BYD and Proterra staffs can't come to Canada to look at the issues cause of COVID-19 restrictions. 
 

Based on that, I say Proterra is out. BYDs are terrible to scheduling while NFIs can keep the same schedule all year long.

[MCIBUS]

Thanks. The reason I asked is OC is scheduled to try I think its either 2 or 4 NFI electric buses this summer.

[FabianColeyLOVESBUSES]

I have a feeling that TTC could get some Nova electric buses. TTC has  a good relationship  with Nova bus for the past few years. Plus TTC is inviting Nova bus for the electric program.  It be interesting having the full electric Nova buses in TTC.

[Xtrazsteve]

9 minutes ago, FabianColeyLOVESBUSES said:

I have a feeling that TTC could get some Nova electric buses. TTC has  a good relationship  with Nova bus for the past few years. Plus TTC is inviting Nova bus for the electric program.  It be interesting having the full electric Nova buses in TTC.

The Nova LFSe+ would have similar components to the HEV, something TTC is familiar with.

[lip]

8 hours ago, Xtrazsteve said:

The Nova LFSe+ would have similar components to the HEV, something TTC is familiar with.

Honestly hope the TTC doesnt even consider the LFSe+.

Does anyone know if they would suffer from the same internal heat/air flow issues as the diesel, and to a lesser extent hybrid LFS buses? I've never been on buses that literally feel like an internal sauna until Novas started to arrive. The other day I was on an LFS Artic and literally the entire rear half of the bus was so hot one couldnt sit there for greater than 5 mins before having to move up to the front half. I wont even get started on the entire rear seat row which regularly feels like a sauna on a regular basis.

[MK78]

6 hours ago, lip said:

Honestly hope the TTC doesnt even consider the LFSe+.

Does anyone know if they would suffer from the same internal heat/air flow issues as the diesel, and to a lesser extent hybrid LFS buses? I've never been on buses that literally feel like an internal sauna until Novas started to arrive. The other day I was on an LFS Artic and literally the entire rear half of the bus was so hot one couldnt sit there for greater than 5 mins before having to move up to the front half. I wont even get started on the entire rear seat row which regularly feels like a sauna on a regular basis.

That is also my biggest peeve with the Nova LFS. The vents don't extend all the way to the back, at least on the 40ft models, plus the heat from the engine doesnt help either. Also the window doesn't open for the last two rows of seats.

[Cityflyer]

Don't forget the famous "Nova Neck" issue.

[G.A]

3 hours ago, Cityflyer said:

Don't forget the famous "Nova Neck" issue.

They have the new window. So I wonder if that mellowed out on the Nova Neck cases.

[T3G]

IIRC Nova neck refers to having to turn 90 degrees to face passengers coming in. The new windows were because of visibility issues with the pillar in front of the window on the old Novas.